I wonder where the rest of the CSM is, you only ever hear from the same bunch of muppets. Did they give up and forgot to tell everyone?

and you actually typed all that... pathertic.

Vile... the Lap Dog of the Pretender Mittani. Defenders of Theft from the Common Pilots of Eve.
The general Eve population is waking up. Your days are numbered.

This is a serious question and I'm obligated to respond seriously. Thank you.




In a heartbeat. Give me this option and have it implemented and I think every single one of us would love to give everything in this game up to get those people gainfully employed. This was a gut shot to all of us and we feel for the employees who lost their jobs. This sucks plain and simple.




If I were told today that giving up the trip to Iceland would put some of the people that we've become friends with due to our close working relationship back to work I would do it without hesitation and with a big smile on my face. I feel the work we do is valuable but this isn't a video game, this is peoples lives who got uprooted.




The face to face meetings are huge. They help improve the game in big ways. They are valuable. Not as valuable as the jobs that were lost. Those jobs represent families and futures. We don't regret the work we've done to help make the game the best it can be for the players, but I'd resign right this second if that resignation resulted in one single job at CCP being restored.


Sadly this isn't the case.

It is simply not acceptable that in times where sacked CCP Devs are literally sat in their pyjamas crying into their cereal, that the money is available to fly these people to Iceland to ineffectually posture, pad their CVs, get drunk and try to maintain the delusion of grandeur they labour under.

This has even started to become clear to themselves. Only days ago they crowed and gloated over the hilmarrrrgh "apology" blog, fighting amongst themselves to claim the biggest piece of the credit cake. Now, with 120 sackings, they have all developed SSS (sloping shoulder syndrome) as they seek to blame each other and even the players who flocked to their call for protest. Even the Chair of the CSM has let his nihilistic facade slip a little as the guilt hits him as to his role in the sacking of his great drinking buddies at CCP.

A farce from day one, the CSM was launched not in an oversight role as publicised by hillmar, but pre nerfed as a "communication conduit" and soon degenerated into childish squables (Constantine vs that goon guy) and rule breaking (trassler and that ankhatamapeonama bird). The 250 issue backlog of agreed issues that CCP routinley ignored stands evidence as to their innefectuality. Many people spent many many wasted hours trying to push issues through the frameowrk CCP gave us to see it drop out of site.

In times of plenty, where vanity project rap videos and dev bands were de-rigeur at CCP HQ - the CSM was an affordable plaything. But in these times of economic woe it is nothing short of outrageous it still exist.


Particulaly considering the reported peenuts many Devs reportedly accept as wages due to their love of the game and company.

CCP are tightening their belts, and now is the perfect time to tighten the metaphorical noose around the CSM. All the clamour for CCP management to resign for failure works with the CSM as well. They have failed. The CSM, in its 6 incarnations, have presided over a near terminal decline in the game. In times of honour, resignation would have been the honourable action in response to abject failure.

It is clear that these "individuals" who inhabit the CSM will not take that route. They need to be sacked. NOW. Hilmar.. get shot of them!

So basically half the CSM declared jihad on ice miners (there are threads everywhere if he cant remember this) and then turn to ccp and brainstorm why people are not playing? Its so crazy its genius

this is a thread with a lot of bad posters

This is probably the most important thing these people (nerds with god complexes) will do in their lives (The CSM I mean)

Just imagine if you realized that being on the CSM was the highlight of your life? How desperate would you become? What kind of crisis would exist internally for you? These are people with no moral compass, look how they just got their spaceship game drinking buddies fired. I just don't want anyone else to die

All I see in this post, really, is a bunch of baseless accusations which are nothing more than your personal opinion presented as fact.

Protip: Alts are very easy to spot and if you cant with the blind eye you can easily look at posting history. heck it even has the date and topic posted too. so cool!! its funny as you check the CSM supporter history they all start about 5 days ago and usually start with a topic that starts with goonswarm. jus a lil fyi from your friendly neighborhood pastor

Protip: Go kill yourself.

I can't stand this stupidity, the world must be purged.
Though, it would be a demographic nightmare.
I correct myself, purge the stupid people off EVE forums.

Hey welcome to eve forums!! I see you started posting 10 days ago so welcome!! i also see its mostly been in this thread so i would hapy to help you navigate the forums seeing as your new and all. and look! right after someone from goons post a few minutes later!! what a coincidence.

EDIT: you could have waited a few minutes before posting with someone else. That tip is free ill charge from hear on out.

* I can provide links to a Dev blog where she referes to being sat in here pjamas and cant stop crying.

Yea, you do that when you lose your job. You're a really nice guy for using Fallout as an example, sure serves her well.

* I can provide links to CSM members padding their CVs (and indeed misrepresnting her role at CCP and eventualy being let go due to an NDA breech.)

Who wouldn't? It means you achieved something. Also, the ends justify the means.

* I can provide linnks to tales of CSM member drunkennes (from their own blogs and twitter feeds)

Oh god does this even need a comment?

* Evidence of their crowing abounds over these forums and others

Well of course, you aren't some kind of special person when being a CSM member.

* The "i dont care im ironic innit" goon facade the Chair slipped in posts when he was angry at devs being sacked

Uh. Uhhhh. You just broke the Stupidity Event Horizon

* The oversight role of the CSM as was initial conceived is available to look at on interview with hilmar on mainstream news sights such as the BBC and Wall Street Post

Who cares about the past?

* The change in the role to a communication conduit is evidenced in dev blogs when the CSM finaly came out

What? The "new" CSM was always meant as a conduit you idiot.

* The 250 + issues backlog is clear to see on the CSMs own wiki.

CSM != Devs, they have to convince CCP to do stuff. They do that. You are too blind to see.

* The hours spent to push these issues is estimable by the process itself : post thread, vote, csm discuss, CCP discuss, drop/keep multiplied by the amount of issue currently aggree and waiting to be actioned.

But it still results in actions.

* The rap video band comment was indicative of the CCP mentality during the good times HTFU

What's that for an argument?

* CCP tightening their belts is evidence by a blog yesterday from CCP manifest detailing 120 sackings

Of course, a $12m loan term just ended. They had to get more money. Running a company 101.

* CCP paying less then industry standards (reffered to me jokingly as peenuts) is evidenced from postings on "ex employee" sites and occasionaly unguarded dev comments.

So what?

* Several Devs are rumoured to have been sacked (hammerhead amongst them unconfirmed)

Welcome to yesterday's news. I'm glad to see Hammerhead gone to be honest.

* Resignation did used to be the honourable course of action for politicians who fail (see Liam Fox, UK minister a few days ago)
* The CSM members have show no inclination to resign over many forum threads

Uh huh. Yea, right, resign after getting positive results.


So basicaly, no, its not all personal opinion and baseless accusations. Aside from some flowery speech and the occasional gag I insert to make the post more entertaining for the reader, Its all backed up through years of following the CSM process.

Christ it is you stupid abomination of a poster.

Incidentaly, I had to restrain myself from mentioning many many more incidents that have cropped up over the years with the CSM in order to keep some sort of brevity to my post.

Hey welcome to eve forums!! I see you started posting 10 days ago so welcome!! i also see its mostly been in this thread so i would hapy to help you navigate the forums seeing as your new and all. and look! right after someone from goons post a few minutes later!! what a coincidence.

EDIT: you could have waited a few minutes before posting with someone else. That tip is free ill charge from hear on out.

Hey welcome to eve forums!! I see you started posting 10 days ago so welcome!! i also see its mostly been in this thread so i would hapy to help you navigate the forums seeing as your new and all. and look! right after someone from goons post a few minutes later!! what a coincidence.

EDIT: you could have waited a few minutes before posting with someone else. That tip is free ill charge from hear on out.

No im right. stop being gutless and use your main. how pathetic do you have to be to white knight for your master on a alt. be proud of who you are and try not to be so easy to spot k?

No im right. stop being gutless and use your main. how pathetic do you have to be to white knight for your master on a alt. be proud of who you are and try not to be so easy to spot k?

Do you even know who Weaselior is you stupid ****?

it takes a special sort of brain damage to misspell your name

like misspelling things in a post is one thing but you misspelled the actual name you post with, that's pr0

No im right. stop being gutless and use your main. how pathetic do you have to be to white knight for your master on a alt. be proud of who you are and try not to be so easy to spot k?

i'm gonna give you a forum tip

you see, people can select their corp/alliance to show up or not

so the guy you are claiming is my neutral posting alt...is in goonswarm

tell me, what use do i have for a neutral posting alt who is in goonswarm and anyone with a few more brain cells than you can find that out

Do you even know who Weaselior is you stupid ****?

David Carel - the angriest person in this thread.