This is what incursions should be.

Go do null incursions.

I approve of this idea, (as it was mine in the science and industry forum).

I think that the distress signal should be scanned down as another type of anomaly. Like, 50% of all cool shows about space have been exploration shows... so we need more exploration in eve.

I really like the idea but fear corporations taking advantage of it. If a well organized corporation picks a side and has a proper fleet comp, the randoms and lone wolfs will have a very hard time trying to take them down.

IE a 50 man fleet picks the side of the attacker and kills anything that lands on grid to defend. They have 10 logi with them and any amount of unorganized fire they do take is easily repped up.

Not really sure how to fix it, or if it should be fix or if it falls into this is eve.

I really like the idea but fear corporations taking advantage of it. If a well organized corporation picks a side and has a proper fleet comp, the randoms and lone wolfs will have a very hard time trying to take them down.

IE a 50 man fleet picks the side of the attacker and kills anything that lands on grid to defend. They have 10 logi with them and any amount of unorganized fire they do take is easily repped up.

Not really sure how to fix it, or if it should be fix or if it falls into this is eve.

On the 'why':

One major failure of Incursions, IMO, is that while they are competitive, at least in highsec where most of them are run, they encourage a form of competition that is not like EVE competitiveness.

Great idea! This is the first thing I've read for ages which might actually get me to keep a character in high sec.

Quite a good idea.

But make it:

• lowsec only.
• not possible to light a cyno inside
• forbidden for rookie ships to enter (no km whoring)
• not a region wide distress, just a few systems and you get a popup telling you the system. Make people search for them.
• have decent enemies. No 200dps BS but let them have some decent firepower.

With those changes, I feel this idea would serve a totally different purpose.

My idea was to drive fleet fights in all sorts of space by giving everyone in the area at the time a strategic goal worth fighting for. Your idea sounds much more like a way to incentivise medium sized gangs roaming lowsec space. (Which also is worth doing).

I'd be quite happy to see cynos go up in these in low/null. Even if three-quarters of the time the side that warps in capitals just wins the fight on the spot, every now and again you'll have a big escalation where those on the other side will respond to a 4 carrier and 2 dread drop by dropping three supercarriers and two titans. And then if the carrier/dread pilots have the capacity to escalate, you have the potential for an Asakai sized fight.

Light a Cyno outside, and warp the (super)capitals inside manually, makes it a little bit more risky to field those since they are floating around somewhere in space before they actually start to turn the tides of a fight completely.

You don't want those sites to become permanent lagfests in which the side that can field more capitals wins by default. People would be discouraged to go in there if they wouldn't have vast numbers of support caps themselves.

NPC Capitals? yummy. I'll take it for +1

Sounds like a workable idea but should obviously be limited to take place only in lowsec and NPC 0.0.

How does this encourage pvp in hisec..?

If anything, people should be encouraged to go PVP outside of hisec.

This thread has been linked in "Assembly Hall" and "Live Events". Keep our fingers crossed.

If anything, people should be encouraged to go PVP outside of hisec.

Great idea, gets my vote!
Just.... think.... of.... the..... player.... salvage *drools*

- As the attackers will win without capsuleer interference anyway, fighting for the attackers does not offer rewards unless at least twenty capsuleers fight for the defenders.

This would encourage silly imbalance between the teams; it'd only be worth attacking once 20 defenders are present and then very few people are going to fancy attacking a team of 20 people without their own squad, resulting in the defender team continuously and disproportionately swelling.

Might I suggest that the pirate corporation rewards the attackers for every player ship killed (with a multiplier depending on how many defenders are present) and a separate reward for portion of damage done to the NPC capital? Maybe large amounts of LP for the player kill (multiplied by ship class) and a proportional amount of ISK for the NPC kill? That way it encourages players to both engage other players and assist the pirates in attacking the capital, rather than just letting them get on with it and going for player loot. Giving the pirate-players LPs also means that, if they want to earn money from killing players, it can come from loot and bounties, whilst a lack of immediate ISK reward also points them towards shooting at the capital.

Better than ghost sites.

'Defender' also makes it a Crimewatch red card offense to shoot a Defender or to assist someone with the 'Attacker' flag. In highsec this means CONCORDOOKEN.

Yeah, this will be fun as people try to avoid accidentally shooting the target they were intending to rep, or vice versa.

+ 1

Just for the interest this thing received. To new to throw down an articulate argument for or against.

You're never too new to have an opinion; if you change your mind with more experience, no harm done.

Out of interest, would you as a new player participate in an event like this, knowing there was a good chance of both losing the ship you field and getting your pod popped, but also a good chance of getting some tasty loot and a chance to see null/low sights like capital ships in combat?

Just think... a NOOB gets a computer generated call for help... I know what I would do.. consequences be damned. :)

This would encourage silly imbalance between the teams; it'd only be worth attacking once 20 defenders are present and then very few people are going to fancy attacking a team of 20 people without their own squad, resulting in the defender team continuously and disproportionately swelling.

Might I suggest that the pirate corporation rewards the attackers for every player ship killed (with a multiplier depending on how many defenders are present) and a separate reward for portion of damage done to the NPC capital? Maybe large amounts of LP for the player kill (multiplied by ship class) and a proportional amount of ISK for the NPC kill? That way it encourages players to both engage other players and assist the pirates in attacking the capital, rather than just letting them get on with it and going for player loot. Giving the pirate-players LPs also means that, if they want to earn money from killing players, it can come from loot and bounties, whilst a lack of immediate ISK reward also points them towards shooting at the capital.

Overall though, I love this idea. This sounds incredibly fun. This sounds like an amazing idea for retaining new players. Right now, most new players only encounter with PvP is meeting a gate camp/suicide ganker. This would give them a taste of real PvP and encourage them to join up with other players.

I must have this, it sounds like so much fun, its not pirating and it give carebears a chance to see if theyve got what it takes.
I would think the prizes would need to be adjusted, sounds like too much to me, but dont take that as a complaint.
I think it would need to be announced in the system 24hrs before it starts, and NPC fleet invite links be posted in local, you can apply to join the fleet and when the timer starts you're accepted into the fleet and you essentially war the opposing fleet, this was you can keep the fleet sizes even (by accepting/rejecting fleet invites). Maybe the Devs could head up the fleets as fleet commanders.
I think there should be an acceleration gate to the site, which only allows certain hull types to warp in (up to BC in high sec, increasing as you get to nullsec) each fleet gets the location to a gate, and you can only go through your fleets gate, once you warp out, you cant come back in.
NPCs should be capable of doing REAL damage and webbing and scramming, and should follow the opposing fleets broadcast/tags.
The defending capital ship should be able to do some real damage too, maybe a few concord (nerfed) ships to help out.
Also there can be different environments, one could be an all out brawl, one could be capturing the flag etc etc, you know what i mean.

This sounds like so much fun and could easily be the biggest thing in the game, if done right, i hope some devs look at this and implement this, just the way it is.

Under this conditions, is it possible to do this:

* A carrier broadcasts the initial becon.
* A large corp/alliance like Goonswarm tell its member to jump into combat ships, and pick different sides as needed to keep a balance.
* After joining a fight, they shoot opposing ships BUT NOT their own members ships.
* Slowly, the only ships remaining on either side belong to Goons.
* All wrecks are salvaged.
* A coin is flipped, and one entire side warps off, making the other side win.

The only issues with this class of ideas is that players will not play for fun, they will try to farm the event. I still remember the 4v2 agent missions in Global Agenda pre-nerf. One large group from the same region would arrange to flood the queue and make sure only they were in the 6 man queue and if not, they jumped out and re-queued, forcing remaining players to abort, and when all 6 were from the same group, they raced the level without being shot at by the opposing team for an easy win.

If you have an event where players get to pick sides they might as well stack on one side and unbalance the fight. If the game forces a side, most people won't kill ships of people they are good friends with.

You will never have a balanced or fair system under this type of scenario when you are dealing with a game with real, permanent losses, and people will always try to minimize such losses and will choose the mechanic or least resistance.

I really like the idea, I simply think some players will totally frak it up for everyone else.

The only scenario under which you _might_ have a chance to get players to stop being dicks, is usually a fully co-op scenario that has real rewards for players that carry out the most things and get the most points, as you can always have someone sneak in and take a top score from under you.

The difference here is that this idea isn't run on-demand, but at a random, unpredictable timeframe.

I don't believe there's going to be time to seriously game an event. Let's say RvB (the entity most able to project force in highsec) tried to game one in highsec, and got 70 pilots to turn up within 15 minutes.

Could they stop Goonswarm or TEST or Brave Newbies or an incursion network forming up 50 ships and arriving? Lets say that BNI decided to rock up. With the rewards structure I've proposed, it will probably make economic sense for BNI to go on the other side of the fight to RvB.

Sometimes RvB will just rock up with 70 pilots and win outright, but that will not always happen and I think this is somewhat less game-able than incursions currently are.

+1 great idea

EVE needs this badly. You referred to WoW, let me make another reference in this direction: In WoW they have "open pvp" areas on the pve servers - and of course the pvp grounds plus the arenas. All easily accessable. Now one cannot compare this to Factional Warfare because one would have to leave his corp to join (or the whole corp must join).

Like in the open pvp areas in WoW, where at a set countdown the next battle starts, it would be great for random fleets to come to life - battleing each other over the afore mentioned capital ship. The whole thing could be enrichened with lots of additonal ideas like NPC logistics to unlock, fighter drones and so on.

My point being: Easy access to open pvp, happening on a daily basis.

CCP, please give us that.

Its called lowsec or nullsec...

i was just about to post that i like this idea and it's nice to see an idea that i've only seen once before.... then i saw the date of the first post

I like this idea, and I would like to take it one step further:

Make the objective something more interesting than just beating off the attackers for a set period of time, such as:


The capital needs fuel, parts, or some other supply before it can GTFO, until you bring that required resource to them, the fight continues. Regardless of the progress of the attackers, if you don't get the supplies to the capital within a set period of time, the defenders fail.

The capital has sustained damage and needs assistance. The sensors are damaged and it can't jump until there are enough friendlies providing sensor boost for it to recalibrate for the next jump, or the hull needs to be repaired, or the cap systems are malfunctioning and it needs external cap recharge in large enough amounts to make the next jump. Until the defenders field enough support ships and keep them alive for a set period of time to meet the requirements, the capital cannot leave.

Take that one step further and you could also require the players to light the cyno and secure the landing. Hostiles can probe the location down and try to interfere. "Bonus Stage" maybe? Giving the attackers a second chance at success?

The capital has a critical mission that it must succeed at at all costs. Defenders have to complete certain tasks to help the capital with this task while simultaneously fighting off attackers. Dedicated probe scanning ships must be used to find a deadspace location while sensor linked with the capital. An enemy structure must be hacked multiple times to break down several layers of a firewall to gather critical intel, any failures result in the firewall reinforcing.


You can get just about every type of ship under all of the New Eden suns involved in these activities if you were creative. Players would have to prioritize and strategize their asses off to be either an attacker or defender.

i was just about to post that i like this idea and it's nice to see an idea that i've only seen once before.... then i saw the date of the first post

I like it .Anything that will improve eve is good and this suggestion doesn t harm but improves.

Good idea, even if it is an old thread. One of the things eve needs is more events that people can do together and generate some interest. Many of my friends dropped the game prematurely because they felt that they had to create their own fun in eve, and events like this would help more people get involved in the PVP which some obviously consider the best way to generate fun.

As far as I can tell, this is a wholly brilliant idea that would add a great deal to many areas of the game. For whatever it's worth, full support from me!

Edit: Hadn't quite processed how old the last post here was; having found it via a link from another post. Hope I'm not violating any necro-posting rules... I will say, though, I don't mind having bumped this up-it seems like it's worth drawing more attention to this!