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FLUFFY DELIVERIES
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:25:00 -
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I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign?
Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop.
other peoples thoughts?
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review |
Othran
Route One
510
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:39:00 -
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Wow that's a bad bad review. Couldn't get a lot worse than that.
This bit made me laugh 
"And truth be told, most normal players will never participate in a battle of real significance anyhow, because at this point nearly every territory is held by well-run super corps that have more than 200 members and strong ties to the most influential EVE guilds."
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose as the garlic eaters would say..... |
Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command
Circle-Of-Two
67
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:41:00 -
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On the one hand it's IGN, finger toy of the Fox conglomerate, on the other hand it does raise valid points. Also gj whoever made goonfeet, you dirty fetishist you. |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
248
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:43:00 -
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Othran wrote:Couldn't get a lot worse than that..
It could, roughly, get 5.8 points worse than that, actually. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4197
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:44:00 -
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While the mechanics can stand improvement, and the rewards system for the DUST players needs some added depth at their end (as is being worked on), the reviewer completely misses the point of the skill system.
There is no grind (unless you wish it to be so), and gaining skills quickly is frankly of little importance. This will become more apparent as more goals and rewards are added for the DUST players to strive for. At the moment though it's painfully apparent that the reviewer is still thinking in terms of other FPS games on the market.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:45:00 -
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When did IGN become credible reviewers?
1 Kings 12:11
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
751
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:47:00 -
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Oh no, CCP didn't pay IGN's royalty fees for a decent review. Woe is us, the EVE/DUST community will never recover from this atrocity!!
Oh well, back to Mass Effect 3 I suppose.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
Wow really does show how pathetic Goonswarm is, u drop 8 blackops onto a logi ship in the middle of nowhere, maybe when goonswarm gets some skilled pilots then mayb just mayb you'll be able to compete with TEST. |
Ike Snicklefritz
Pink Fuzzy Dice
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:47:00 -
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It feels like CCP kind of had to rush to get the game "released" by 5/14 when it still feels like it's in beta, and I'd be pretty disappointed if this was all we were getting. My own rating of Dust would probably be in the 6.something range, which isn't good for your typical game, but Dust really isn't your typical game.
Dust is free to play and they're developing it for the long run, much like EVE. Whether it will work out is still up in the air, but I actually enjoy the game despite the bugs and I'm excited for its potential. Don't dismiss it just because initial many reviews are (justifiably) poor.
In short, reviews at this point are just a snapshot of it still early in its development. Point out the flaws so they can be addressed, but also give it some time before writing it off. |
FLUFFY DELIVERIES
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:49:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:When did IGN become credible reviewers?
they have been for a long time... read the reviews they are pretty fair and explain their ratings well  |
Darth Kilth
Silver Guardians
Fidelas Constans
96
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:When did IGN become credible reviewers?
Were they ever? |
Mulani Askiras
State War Academy
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:53:00 -
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FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:Malcanis wrote:When did IGN become credible reviewers? they have been for a long time... read the reviews they are pretty fair and explain their ratings well
IGN has never, and i reiterate the word never, been a source of credible reviews. They get paid to write glowing words. You don't pay them, you get a 5 second review which glosses over what the reviewer experienced while they completed one of their paid for reviews. |
Othran
Route One
510
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:54:00 -
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He's saying pretty much what I've seen elsewhere (forums) so I think resorting to shooting the messenger is pretty desperate.
I've seen comments like "its like the worst bunny-hopping you ever saw", "takes forever to work out what the equipment options are" and "point and pray".
The ONLY positive comments I've seen have been from Eve players. Even then you get a grudging "yeah there's still a lot to be fixed" from those with more FPS experience.
Now I'm sure that the truth lies in between those extremes but Dust isn't what it should be in terms of FPS gameplay and I can quite believe CCP have overdone the microtransaction stuff. There but for the grace of gods go all of us who play Eve.... |
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
197
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:56:00 -
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Sounds to me like the IGN reviewer and at least half of the commentards need an introduction to the word HTFU......
Oh noes this game takes some time to skill up, oh noes I can't just run and gun immediately, oh noes I have to actually like train **** before I become a better shot?
<- Hello Kitty Onlines that way bitches
I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
147
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:57:00 -
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IGN being taken serious... wow... thats a first. These are the same guys that gave diablo III a 9.5. IGN has never been taking serious before. Their reviews are more of a popularity contest. Sorta like the MTV teen choice awards. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
289
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:58:00 -
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Quote:at this point nearly every territory is held by well-run super corps that have more than 200 members and strong ties to the most influential EVE guilds."
WOAH!
200 man corps?!
Id hate to see the battles that happen when 2 of these gigantic corps collide!
I mean 200 people, wow...just WOW. |
Pipernelli Spacemitt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:04:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Quote:at this point nearly every territory is held by well-run super corps that have more than 200 members and strong ties to the most influential EVE guilds."
WOAH! 200 man corps?! Id hate to see the battles that happen when 2 of these gigantic corps collide! I mean 200 people, wow...just WOW.
Putty in the paws of our elite guilds. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
373
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:05:00 -
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The problem with IGN is they are reviewing the game in its current state. If they realised about CCP then they would know that the game is almost in a beta stage and will be constantly updated. They are probably correct though with regards to the game in its current state. I played it last time and graphics are still very poor, and little integration with eve yet. So 5.8 is probably spot on. But I am more confident for the future providing it survives. |
Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
175
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:14:00 -
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well the game has been released and it's not had great reviews so far, and it's not even the hardcore gaming aspects that are getting most panned it's the basic shooting mechanics and general fun of it which is much more serious.
freelance space bum |
Darvaleth Sigma
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:17:00 -
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Othran wrote:...and "point and pray".
That's a pretty reliable tactic in Eve, so why not DUST?
Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Admiral Sarah Solette
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:44:00 -
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The review raises quite a few very valid issues with the game, and wether the fanboiz would agree. I will say that when more 'credible' review sources come in say the same things, how will the fanboiz defend CCP's decision then? |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
1152
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:52:00 -
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Well, let's be fair, IGN is not the only one that's giving the game lukewarm reviews.
I remember when Dust hit open beta earlier this year. What happened? Nothing! Like, literally, nothing. I dropped by many prominent sites that would cover something like this, and not a word. Meanwhile, when games like Vindictus or Dragon's Nest were approaching beta, there were weeks of coverage. So, right out of the gate, Dust was a niche within a niche (EVE).
There's very little Dust coverage from what I saw, and most of it wasn't all that good. One review especially made me chuckle because the last point of Pros and the last point in Cons was the same - future potential tied to EVE Online. And the cons were weak graphics and bad controls - the two things you do NOT want in a first person shooter. And did we mention it was for PS3-only? When EVE is PC-only? Makes so much sense... But hey, all of this was covered already so many times, so why am I rehashing it yet again.
At this point though, I really don't think Dust can even be saved. FPS games have been making quite impressive strides forward. The Rage game by id Software had spectacular enemy animations (mutants attacking by leaping off walls, executing rolls to avoid thrown blades and so on), the Battlefield series is still going strong with its destructible environments and somewhat new mechanics such as suppression, lens glow on scopes to help deal with snipers, not to mention stunning graphics. Call of Duty I can't comment on, it's a little too ADD for me, but they manage to sell the same crap every year with record numbers, so they must be doing something right, right? And where is Dust in all of this? Oh, yeah, it's F2P, so there's no sales to report really.
And later this year we're getting Battlefield 4, and where will Dust be compared to it? Graphics? Controls? Features? Short on all of those. The only thing Dust has is the connection to EVE, a PC game that your average PS3 FPS gamer never played and never will, and thus the connection is utterly meaningless. I made this comparison before, but imagine if there was a connection between EVE and World of Warcraft. On a Venn diagram, the overlap of the two circles would be virtually invisible. I have a strong suspicion it's the same for Dust on PS3 and EVE on PC. One is an FPS on a console, and one is an MMO on a PC. Overlap between those? Not that great.
OK, all right, I admit that EVE is unique. Mostly because there really hasn't been any MMO about spaceships out there in a very long time. When was the last one? Jumpgate? More than a decade ago? But releasing an FPS sci-fi shooter, an F2P one, within months of MMOFPS like Planetside 2 or a bunch of futuristic F2P FPSers? Madness. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4197
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:54:00 -
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Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:The review raises quite a few very valid issues with the game, wether the fanboiz would agree. I will say that when more 'credible' review sources come in say the same things, how will the fanboiz defend CCP's decision then?
Edit: I got interrupted mid post, so my grammar train was derailled. :(
If that happens, and it really hasn't so far, they will probably respond by stating the obvious.
DUST isn't a game that is released once as is and then "might" receive an update at some point to address flaws. DUST will be continuously improved, with bug fixes, upgraded game play, and new content every few months.
Also the number of DUST players could stay fairly low for the first few months and it wouldn't affect it's long term viability in the slightest, as they are in no way dependent on initial sales to make their profit.
For DUST, unlike virtually every other console game out there, reviews that point out weak parts of the game are actually helpful in it's ongoing development process. For other games that type of review would kill initial sales, and since their entire revenue is based on this it would effectively kill the game. Not so for DUST.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
419
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:54:00 -
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Othran wrote:Wow that's a bad bad review. Couldn't get a lot worse than that. This bit made me laugh " And truth be told, most normal players will never participate in a battle of real significance anyhow, because at this point nearly every territory is held by well-run super corps that have more than 200 members and strong ties to the most influential EVE guilds." Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose as the garlic eaters would say.....
IKR? That is like saying you can't play EvE becuase its Hard, or that there is a steep learning curve. Or that by joining now you cant do anything because all the null sec is already controlled by some Sov holding entity. |
MidnightWyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
34
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:55:00 -
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FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign? Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop. other peoples thoughts? http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review
>2013
>Giving a **** about IGN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eaUaJUhTZfw#t=148s
An excellent example of why pod killmails are the best feature to be implemented in EVE Online since warping at zero. |
Prince Kobol
761
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:59:00 -
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Its IGN.. we are talking about a site that gave the latest Lotro expansion, Riders of Rohan a 8.3
Fecking 8.3 for what is possibly the worst expansion ever to hit a MMO
Yeah.. IGN know there stuff lol |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
374
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:59:00 -
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Dust will become a niche game until CCP do a massive rework of the shooting mechanics and poor graphics and integrate it fully into eve. Then I reckon it will slowly become more popular as it is gradually improved just like Eve has done. Anyone who has played it though would know they need to improve the shooting and vehicle mechanics, as the reviewer said they just don't feel good. I would prefer it to work more like battlefield played on hardcore mode. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
318
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:10:00 -
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This is how I think about IGN
1)a game I like gets good reviews. The Reviewer has good taste.
2)a game I like gets a bad review. Wtf where did they get this joke of a "journalist"?
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
175
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:11:00 -
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since this shouldn't be a thread about IGN, here's the eurogamer review.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-dust-514-review
freelance space bum |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
669
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:14:00 -
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People still read reviews????
wumbo |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
326
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:14:00 -
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Although I can see some valid points from a lot of this review. The first half of the review is basically "I'm playing a game that isn't MWO or CoD, WHY ISN'T THIS GAME MWO OR COD"
TMC Senior Developer
http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
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