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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:37:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Kult Altol wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? Not an answer to your question, but I can think of at least a dozen games that got glowing reviews and then crapped out really fast. So the opposite must be true. It's just easier to find the epic fails than the glorious wins. We, as humans, seem to be like that. In any case, I don't play games based on what I read online. I play them based on how much I enjoy the demo. Mr Epeen  True. Half the games with glowing reviews I wouldn't touch. First Commandment of EVE : Thou Shalt Not Have Any Games Before EVE.
Except alt accounts?
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1512
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:45:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The IGN review lost all credibility with me right about here... Quote:....strong ties to the most influential EVE guilds....
Guilds is the most common term in MMOs for player organizations. When writing reviews for a broad audience its normal to use common terms.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Idea for Improving NPE. |
Caldari Citizen 20120308
State War Academy
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:08:00 -
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And I quote, ", turning the experience into more of a test of patience than a test of multiplayer skill." Similar to EVE hehe. |
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
200
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:17:00 -
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http://www.tentonhammer.com/reviews/dust-514
So talking of reviews 90/100?
I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
175
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:21:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Slightly more insightful, however whenever a reviewer mentions grinding in relation to DUST that is a sure sign that they don't really understand how the game works... and that at least to a degree they are still stuck in a typcial FPS mindset. if you gather ISK/SP with every battle then how is that not grind? it is an FPS game so there's nothing wrong with explaining it in a context FPS gamers understand, ie. weapon unlocks etc. particularly as this is aimed at them, not eve players, which surely is the reason for targeting a console platform. You haven't played DUST have you... If you want to discuss how skill points are accumulated, including bonuses for participating in matches, you should really learn how it works first.
yeah i read you accumulate some SP by playing and the rest is like eve. like i'm going to buy a PS3 so i can play this nonsense.
freelance space bum |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence
STELLAR CONSTELLATION
176
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:52:00 -
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its actually credible
dust 514 is poop and the fanboys always try to disagrees
^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
WarlockX
Free Trade Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:58:00 -
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CCP always has great ideas however never manage to complete those ideas in a reasonable amount of time. Honestly walking in stations was not that bad of an idea when you look at it. Gambling halls, player owned housing/establishments. Programable NPCS. Imagine if all stations had establishments which players can program npcs for. There would be a crazy amount of player made content for the whole comunity. However out of all these things promised we got an empty single player room.
Dust is much the same way. They promise the moon and deliver a lobby based fps with bad fps mechanics. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2474
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:28:00 -
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I've dropped some coin on DUST too... just because it ties into my favorite game EvE, though.
There are a lot of fundamental problems. Driving vehicles is not fun. It's terrible. The control sucks. The controls suck. It's just bad. There's also no real point to anything. Sure you can join matches, but win or loose you'll get about the same pay and skill points either way. The "salvage" you get off of the battlefield is random and has nothing to do with player performance. In fact, nothing has much to do with player performance. I also like to collect stuff... but that's lost on the DUST devs. They remove items and dropsuits like it's the cool thing to do, and then just refund your isk or aurum when they take those items away. I want to move some of my stuff from my DUST guy to eve for safe keeping, since EvE CCP is a lot better about that stuff... but not only can't you move stuff... not only is there no economic or trade ties to eve still, but I'm convinced DUST is actually running mostly on an isolated database from EvE. So... wake-up call to anyone who thinks there's any chance of closer EvE/DUST ties coming soon... I started working on a list of DUST dropsuits like the one I made for spaceships. The items in DUST that are not 'red' are correct for people playing dust, but if you check out the links in EvE you see the red ones are still good and a bunch of the ones updated in DUST can't be viewed in EvE. This means EvE's view of items in DUST are distinctly separate from DUST. ...and just look at the dust items. If you view an item, it's got a low-bit icon... no bust of screen of the dropsuit. ...and a preview? Forget about it. The DUST items as we see them in EvE have less significance than NPC mission items. They are just placeholders, it looks like to me.
They need to make DUST fun. They need to fix vehicle control big time, and stop talking about the "meaning" of DUST and start actually showing it. Right now I can't see the point of anything in DUST for the individual FPS player. I"m just playing games, shooting people, and hoping this is all going somewhere.
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Gealbhan
232
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:33:00 -
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I have this awful habit since birth it's called Free Will. I don't care what reviews say about a game If I want to try it, I will and then I'll decide for myself as was the case of SWTOR before F2P, got to 50 nothing to do, quit.
Some things people called crap I actually enjoyed, like EvE Online!  |
FLUFFY DELIVERIES
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:50:00 -
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Brit Green wrote:FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
other peoples thoughts?
Play it if you want or don't play it if you don't want. Just stop with all the dust crying in the eve forum.
wow someone is mad, this is reasonable debate not crying - please learn the difference...
I asked what people's thoughts were because i'm pretty sure its our subscription money being spent on dust and even if it isn't it is directly connected to eve... and if the general gaming community don't like it they wont spend their money on it... money that will then be lost and we will have a dead weight game bringing eve down.
I didn't say it was a bad game i was pointing to a website that didn't like it - a website that a lot of console gamers use and believe in. Not to mention this isn't the only website saying the same things. |
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites
United Federation of Commerce
892
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:52:00 -
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FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:Brit Green wrote:FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
other peoples thoughts?
Play it if you want or don't play it if you don't want. Just stop with all the dust crying in the eve forum. wow someone is mad, this is reasonable debate not crying - please learn the difference... I asked what people's thoughts were because i'm pretty sure its our subscription money being spent on dust and even if it isn't it is directly connected to eve... and if the general gaming community don't like it they wont spend their money on it... money that will then be lost and we will have a dead weight game bringing eve down. I didn't say it was a bad game i was pointing to a website that didn't like it - a website that a lot of console gamers use and believe in. Not to mention this isn't the only website saying the same things (and i don't mean good things).
sorry, I want to take you seriously, but your name is FLUFFY DELIVERIES, and that invalidates all your points.
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
FLUFFY DELIVERIES
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:55:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:Brit Green wrote:FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
other peoples thoughts?
Play it if you want or don't play it if you don't want. Just stop with all the dust crying in the eve forum. wow someone is mad, this is reasonable debate not crying - please learn the difference... I asked what people's thoughts were because i'm pretty sure its our subscription money being spent on dust and even if it isn't it is directly connected to eve... and if the general gaming community don't like it they wont spend their money on it... money that will then be lost and we will have a dead weight game bringing eve down. I didn't say it was a bad game i was pointing to a website that didn't like it - a website that a lot of console gamers use and believe in. Not to mention this isn't the only website saying the same things (and i don't mean good things). sorry, I want to take you seriously, but your name is FLUFFY DELIVERIES, and that invalidates all your points.
Fair point, i'm a hauling alt who i didn't mean to use for this post - apologies  |
Zak Breen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:55:00 -
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DUST sucks. Nothing to see here. Valiant attempt CCP but it just isn't that fun to play.
(maybe put it on PC instead of PS3? The only people who play FPS on consoles are fratboys that have never heard of EVE or CCP)
Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing.
http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
Hashashin Cartel
365
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:59:00 -
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I remember seeing reviews for EVE in the low 6's when it was first released. Just sayin'.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
656
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:05:00 -
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I guess it could be tragic - if I had any interest in non-massive lobby-based console shooters.
And IGN reviews sucks. Most likely Dust isn't *that* bad. |
Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
175
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:23:00 -
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Rath Kelbore wrote:I remember seeing reviews for EVE in the low 6's when it was first released. Just sayin'.
this is a console FPS game though, I'm not sure it's as much of a keeper. great idea and all but if it's mainly going to get support from eve fanbois then they should have put it on the PC in the first place.
time will tell i guess.
freelance space bum |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4202
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:34:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Slightly more insightful, however whenever a reviewer mentions grinding in relation to DUST that is a sure sign that they don't really understand how the game works... and that at least to a degree they are still stuck in a typcial FPS mindset. if you gather ISK/SP with every battle then how is that not grind? it is an FPS game so there's nothing wrong with explaining it in a context FPS gamers understand, ie. weapon unlocks etc. particularly as this is aimed at them, not eve players, which surely is the reason for targeting a console platform. You haven't played DUST have you... If you want to discuss how skill points are accumulated, including bonuses for participating in matches, you should really learn how it works first. yeah i read you accumulate some SP by playing and the rest is like eve. like i'm going to buy a PS3 so i can play this nonsense.
I realize you have a personal agenda, that being you are irritated that it's not available for PC (which is somewhat ironic), but again you do not need to grind in DUST to develop a character. If you choose to you skill up more quickly, but by the same token if you play something completely unrelated for awhile you still gain skill points until you come back.
DUST only becomes a grind fest if you choose to play it that way, which is something those reviewers refuse to admit (if they even bothered to play it long enough to be aware of these facts to begin with).
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
Hashashin Cartel
366
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:36:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:I remember seeing reviews for EVE in the low 6's when it was first released. Just sayin'. this is a console FPS game though, I'm not sure it's as much of a keeper. great idea and all but if it's mainly going to get support from eve fanbois then they should have put it on the PC in the first place. time will tell i guess.
Agreed, why it wasn't put it on PC, I cannot fathom. Point being, review scores mean very little.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4202
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:40:00 -
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FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:Brit Green wrote:FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
other peoples thoughts?
Play it if you want or don't play it if you don't want. Just stop with all the dust crying in the eve forum. wow someone is mad, this is reasonable debate not crying - please learn the difference... I asked what people's thoughts were because i'm pretty sure its our subscription money being spent on dust and even if it isn't it is directly connected to eve... and if the general gaming community don't like it they wont spend their money on it / play it... money that will then be lost and we/ccp will have a dead weight game bringing eve down. I didn't say it was a bad game i was pointing to a website that didn't like it - a website that a lot of console gamers use and believe in. Not to mention this isn't the only website saying the same things (and i don't mean good things).
FYI, it's not "our subscription money". It is CCPs money to develop with as they wish, just like every other game company in the industry. Just like every other viable company out there CCP recognizes that diversification is wise.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Admiral Pieg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:50:00 -
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Dust 514 is really surprising to me actually. Most of the time CCP have made good decisions with regard to the industry, but this game really baffles me. It would be nice to hear what their original vision for this game was, because i have a hard time understanding how the people that brought us EVE also gave us this generic garbage. I mean the first time when they hatched the idea, how didn't someone in the room stand up and say no, just.. no? |
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Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
144
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:11:00 -
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Dust was always going to suffer against the likes of Battlefield and CoD, not only technically (this is CCP's first FPS, whereas Activision and DICE have had many cycles to hone their games) but also commercially - because Activision and EA can throw money at reviewers.
The big problem I think is that whilst EVE has the enviable position of being the premiere space MMO and therefore CCP has the luxury of being able to get things wrong, the whole "will get better in the years to come" model won't really work in the FPS space I don't think. BF4 and CoD 100 and beyond will leave it looking more and more lukewarm, and unless the Eve link starts to get some real teeth really fast, it's tough to see what longevity there will be in the game. |
Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
175
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:16:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I realize you have a personal agenda, that being you are irritated that it's not available for PC (which is somewhat ironic), but again you do not need to grind in DUST to develop a character. If you choose to you skill up more quickly, but by the same token if you play something completely unrelated for awhile you still gain skill points until you come back.
DUST only becomes a grind fest if you choose to play it that way, which is something those reviewers refuse to admit (if they even bothered to play it long enough to be aware of these facts to begin with).
obviously if you're reviewing a game you have a short time frame and you want to get the most out of it. and most players of MMOs and FPS games are used to playing intensely to level up their skills and weapons. the fact that CCP have compromised the eve style training plan to be grindable shows they know their market at least.
i really don't care if they port it if it's mediocre. i have several consoles and a good excuse to add another, particularly as i used to be a big playstation head, would be welcomed i assure you.
freelance space bum |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2475
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:21:00 -
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Durzel wrote:Dust was always going to suffer against the likes of Battlefield and CoD, not only technically (this is CCP's first FPS, whereas Activision and DICE have had many cycles to hone their games) but also commercially - because Activision and EA can throw money at reviewers.
The big problem I think is that whilst EVE has the enviable position of being the premiere space MMO and therefore CCP has the luxury of being able to get things wrong, the whole "will get better in the years to come" model won't really work in the FPS space I don't think. BF4 and CoD 100 and beyond will leave it looking more and more lukewarm, and unless the Eve link starts to get some real teeth really fast, it's tough to see what longevity there will be in the game.
I think it's an attitude problem. CCP assumes they can pull on the FPS community what they pull on us. The difference is there's nothing remotely as good in the 'flying in space' mmo market as EvE so we as players have no choice but to take it. We can complain all we want about the state of EvE development, but since EvE is the best one out there CCP can do no wrong.. we'll take it because we are spaceship geeks and there's nothing else worth trying right now. In the FPS world, however, DUST is not on top. There isn't much that separates DUST from CoD, BF4, or Halo other than a long list of gameplay shortcomings and undelivered projections about 'the future' of the presently non-existent DUST/EvE link.
I think CCP should look at both of their games from the perspective of a company trying to just now break into the market. Aggressive development is going to be critical if there's to be a 'second decade'.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2475
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:32:00 -
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DUST to-date... my experience of watching DUST trailers, anticipating the game, disappointment in the demo, and watching DUST CCP reacting (if you can call it that) to suggestions, reminds me a lot of Aliens: Colonial Marines.
Check it out:
DUST 514 announcement demo:DUST 514 demo | DUST as it actually is
- Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
- Vehicle control is a lot better. Let's see anyone in DUST right now driving like they do in this demo.
- Graphics a lot better in demo.
- Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
- Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.
Aliens: Colonial Marines in-progress demo:Demo vs Final Product
- Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
- Graphics a lot better in demo than final.
- Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
- Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.
It's the same thing.
I'm not trying to diss DUST too much... I want to see it successful. I've spent a decent amount of rl cash to support it too. However, you have to look at the reality of the situation: DUST is free. My time is not. If the game isn't good RIGHT NOW, it's not a good game. Maybe it can be a good game in the future... but it needs to get real quick and there's not much sign of anything but little tweaks coming up in the near future.
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Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
23
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:36:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:On the one hand it's IGN, finger toy of the Fox conglomerate, on the other hand it does raise valid points. Also gj whoever made goonfeet, you dirty fetishist you.
Radio Announcer One: FOX is covering the Super Bowl
Radio announcer Two: Which Team?  |
Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:37:00 -
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People take IGN seriously? |
Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
29
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:40:00 -
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ahahah..... typical cod style player. i want a WIN button.
the controls just take getting used to. and i like that the aiming is more realistic. you cant just spin around (180') in a split second, aim down the sights and have mirco control over where your red dot is. < thats just unrealistic.
not to mention... you can play with a keyboard if you lack coordination
was just a **** review from someone already in a mindset.
one thing i do agree with is the blocky / bulky graphics... cpp come on. you can do better than that. i dont mind downloading a tonne of texture packs. maybe for the ps4?
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floating in space
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:41:00 -
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Othran wrote:Wow that's a bad bad review. Couldn't get a lot worse than that.
Yeah, I don't read many game reviews but I'm used to seeing fluff pieces with a score of 8+ |
Drunken Bum
348
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:43:00 -
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This games getting crap reviews everywhere. Are any of you surprised? Really? They shoulda made it on pc.
Spare some change?-á |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
23
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:49:00 -
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Othran wrote:Wow that's a bad bad review. Couldn't get a lot worse than that. This bit made me laugh  " And truth be told, most normal players will never participate in a battle of real significance anyhow, because at this point nearly every territory is held by well-run super corps that have more than 200 members and strong ties to the most influential EVE guilds." Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose as the garlic eaters would say.....
Clearly the author of that quote thinks everything should be available to the solo player.
He literally doesn't know how to play, he should learn that before doing a review...
...even if it takes him a few years and a few ships |
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