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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2816
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:14:00 -
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Well, everything being under control of super-corps is probably a valid point.
Who wants to play a game where they get OMGWTFSPANKED every two minutes? Yeah yeah, I know, go back to WoW, blah blah blah.
And they will.
But hey, limitations on resources would topple the super corps and the blue donut. Just let belts and moons become finite and make wreck salvage yield actual tonnage in scrap (so when everybody destroys the natural resources, they can fight over salvage too).
Until then, this is corporatism online and that's too much like the real world. |
Sentamon
965
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:17:00 -
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Send lots of money to IGN for a 9.0+ review.
Actually that works for most "professional" reviewers. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1509
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:19:00 -
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Not really a surprise. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Idea for Improving NPE. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
318
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:20:00 -
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Read the review, the only point I agree with is that the bunnies are getting the raw deal when it comes to holding territory. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Jak Onren
Jak's Salvage
2
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:24:00 -
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I like DUST.
I was one of those that played it in early beta, but RL got in the way, so I didn't manage to pick up again until last Saturday. Spent all day on it. My sniper rifle had horrible sway, so I tracked down the skill to cure it. I quite like the clunky movement. It reminds me of Dead Space. I am moving around in a bulky suit with a rifle nearly as long as I am tall after all.
With some more integration with EVE, I think the game will be a winner. Not a blockbuster, but a winner.
I had a very enjoyable time with it and will certainly be playing it again.
And I really, really hope the future integration is such that DUST raiders can invade EVE stations!
I congratulate CCP on this 'experiment'. I don't think the reviewer saw it as this and didn't seem to think deeply at all about what CCP are attempting.
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Admiral Sarah Solette
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:28:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:The review raises quite a few very valid issues with the game, wether the fanboiz would agree. I will say that when more 'credible' review sources come in say the same things, how will the fanboiz defend CCP's decision then?
Edit: I got interrupted mid post, so my grammar train was derailled. :( If that happens, and it really hasn't so far, they will probably respond by stating the obvious. DUST isn't a game that is released once as is and then "might" receive an update at some point to address flaws. DUST will be continuously improved, with bug fixes, upgraded game play, and new content every few months. Also the number of DUST players could stay fairly low for the first few months and it wouldn't affect it's long term viability in the slightest, as they are in no way dependent on initial sales to make their profit. For DUST, unlike virtually every other console game out there, reviews that point out weak parts of the game are actually helpful in it's ongoing development process. For other games that type of review would kill initial sales, and since their entire revenue is based on this it would effectively kill the game. Not so for DUST.
Except it has happened. IGN isn't the only review site to give Dust a poor rating.
Poor controls, graphics, and gameplay progression have nothing to do with implementing future content. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
677
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:40:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote: And the cons were weak graphics and bad controls - the two things you do NOT want in a first person shooter.
A review from someone that can't plug a mouse and keyboard into a PS3 is not to be taken seriously. It also looks fine on my TV, but then my perception of the in game environment is coloured by my knowledge of the lore of the eve universe, I expect to see desolate wastelands.
The impression I get is that it's only being compared to the standard lobby based shooters, something that dust is not. There's no persistency in the game worlds of CoD or BF, there is in dust.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4197
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:51:00 -
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Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:The review raises quite a few very valid issues with the game, wether the fanboiz would agree. I will say that when more 'credible' review sources come in say the same things, how will the fanboiz defend CCP's decision then?
Edit: I got interrupted mid post, so my grammar train was derailled. :( If that happens, and it really hasn't so far, they will probably respond by stating the obvious. DUST isn't a game that is released once as is and then "might" receive an update at some point to address flaws. DUST will be continuously improved, with bug fixes, upgraded game play, and new content every few months. Also the number of DUST players could stay fairly low for the first few months and it wouldn't affect it's long term viability in the slightest, as they are in no way dependent on initial sales to make their profit. For DUST, unlike virtually every other console game out there, reviews that point out weak parts of the game are actually helpful in it's ongoing development process. For other games that type of review would kill initial sales, and since their entire revenue is based on this it would effectively kill the game. Not so for DUST. Except it has happened. IGN isn't the only review site to give Dust a poor rating. Poor controls, graphics, and gameplay progression have nothing to do with implementing future content. But it has everything to do with implementing regular game play improvements and bug fixes, which are facts I pointed out that you have chosen to conveniently overlook. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Darth Kilth
Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans
97
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:54:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Send lots of money to IGN for a 9.0+ review.
Actually that works for most "professional" reviewers. Don't forget Doritos and Mountain dew! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4198
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:00:00 -
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Slightly more insightful, however whenever a reviewer mentions grinding in relation to DUST that is a sure sign that they don't really understand how the game works... and that at least to a degree they are still stuck in a typcial FPS mindset. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:13:00 -
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http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
319
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:21:00 -
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What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
294
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:22:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? OOH! OOH!
Was it Tetris?!
It was Tetris wasnt it?!
Tell me it was Tetris! |
Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
175
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:24:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Slightly more insightful, however whenever a reviewer mentions grinding in relation to DUST that is a sure sign that they don't really understand how the game works... and that at least to a degree they are still stuck in a typcial FPS mindset.
if you gather ISK/SP with every battle then how is that not grind?
it is an FPS game so there's nothing wrong with explaining it in a context FPS gamers understand, ie. weapon unlocks etc. particularly as this is aimed at them, not eve players, which surely is the reason for targeting a console platform. freelance space bum |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1177
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:26:00 -
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I hear EVE Online got glowing reviews when it was launched, and thanks to those reviews the game is still here ten years later. Nyan |
Brit Green
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:26:00 -
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FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
other peoples thoughts?
Play it if you want or don't play it if you don't want. Just stop with all the dust crying in the eve forum.
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Bloodpetal
Sal's Waste Management and Pod Disposal The Mockers AO
1265
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:33:00 -
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The article seems full of itself honestly.
It happily summons the doom of Dust514, but it never really addresses why, other than saying, "I didn't enjoy shooting a gun".
That's a pretty **** poor review. Where I am. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
275
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:34:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone?
EVE? |
Gillia Winddancer
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
367
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:36:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone?
You forgot to add in addition to the bouncing back also have won several "best MMO of the year" awards. And so on and so forth etc etc etc.
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
320
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:36:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? EVE?
It's not a jeopardy question, I'm just curious if anyone's knows lol. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
293
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:40:00 -
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Quote:Looks like this game will *Puts on sunglasses* Gather Dust Not today spaghetti. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
295
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:42:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? You forgot to add in addition to the bouncing back also have won several "best MMO of the year" awards. And so on and so forth etc etc etc.
See, before I wasnt sure.
But your post has convinced me that I was indeed correct with my first guess.
Its Tetris. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2565
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:44:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone?
Not an answer to your question, but I can think of at least a dozen games that got glowing reviews and then crapped out really fast. So the opposite must be true. It's just easier to find the epic fails than the glorious wins. We, as humans, seem to be like that.
In any case, I don't play games based on what I read online. I play them based on how much I enjoy the demo.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
249
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:45:00 -
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Fa Xian wrote:http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514
Defiance is currently listed at 60 on metacritic, though Massively just named it it's "unofficial" MMO of the year so far...
Opinions are like wormholes. |
Gillia Winddancer
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
367
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:52:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:Fa Xian wrote:http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514
Opinions are like wormholes.
Everyone have wormholes? Or just worms in their holes? I am pretty sure that I don't at the moment so does it mean that my opinions don't count until I do? :( |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4200
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:07:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Slightly more insightful, however whenever a reviewer mentions grinding in relation to DUST that is a sure sign that they don't really understand how the game works... and that at least to a degree they are still stuck in a typcial FPS mindset. if you gather ISK/SP with every battle then how is that not grind? it is an FPS game so there's nothing wrong with explaining it in a context FPS gamers understand, ie. weapon unlocks etc. particularly as this is aimed at them, not eve players, which surely is the reason for targeting a console platform. You haven't played DUST have you... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
320
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:14:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? Not an answer to your question, but I can think of at least a dozen games that got glowing reviews and then crapped out really fast. So the opposite must be true. It's just easier to find the epic fails than the glorious wins. We, as humans, seem to be like that. In any case, I don't play games based on what I read online. I play them based on how much I enjoy the demo. Mr Epeen
True. Half the games with glowing reviews I wouldn't touch. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Bloodpetal
Sal's Waste Management and Pod Disposal The Mockers AO
1266
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:26:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Din Chao wrote:Fa Xian wrote:http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514
Opinions are like wormholes. Everyone have wormholes? Or just worms in their holes? I am pretty sure that I don't at the moment so does it mean that my opinions don't count until I do? :(
Opinions are like wormholes, most people would rather get killed protecting it than give it up.
Where I am. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4175
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:28:00 -
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The IGN review lost all credibility with me right about here...
Quote:....strong ties to the most influential EVE guilds.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Bloodpetal
Sal's Waste Management and Pod Disposal The Mockers AO
1266
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:30:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? Not an answer to your question, but I can think of at least a dozen games that got glowing reviews and then crapped out really fast. So the opposite must be true. It's just easier to find the epic fails than the glorious wins. We, as humans, seem to be like that. In any case, I don't play games based on what I read online. I play them based on how much I enjoy the demo. Mr Epeen True. Half the games with glowing reviews I wouldn't touch.
First Commandment of EVE : Thou Shalt Not Have Any Games Before EVE.
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