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Arcelian
House of Praetor R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:20:00 -
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If dust will be playable on the PS4, I'll try it. Not getting a ps3, when ps4 is on the horizon, for one game. |
Ghazu
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:36:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Well, let's be fair, IGN is not the only one that's giving the game lukewarm reviews.
I remember when Dust hit open beta earlier this year. What happened? Nothing! Like, literally, nothing. I dropped by many prominent sites that would cover something like this, and not a word. Meanwhile, when games like Vindictus or Dragon's Nest were approaching beta, there were weeks of coverage. So, right out of the gate, Dust was a niche within a niche (EVE).
There's very little Dust coverage from what I saw, and most of it wasn't all that good. One review especially made me chuckle because the last point of Pros and the last point in Cons was the same - future potential tied to EVE Online. And the cons were weak graphics and bad controls - the two things you do NOT want in a first person shooter. And did we mention it was for PS3-only? When EVE is PC-only? Makes so much sense... But hey, all of this was covered already so many times, so why am I rehashing it yet again.
At this point though, I really don't think Dust can even be saved. FPS games have been making quite impressive strides forward. The Rage game by id Software had spectacular enemy animations (mutants attacking by leaping off walls, executing rolls to avoid thrown blades and so on), the Battlefield series is still going strong with its destructible environments and somewhat new mechanics such as suppression, lens glow on scopes to help deal with snipers, not to mention stunning graphics. Call of Duty I can't comment on, it's a little too ADD for me, but they manage to sell the same crap every year with record numbers, so they must be doing something right, right? And where is Dust in all of this? Oh, yeah, it's F2P, so there's no sales to report really.
And later this year we're getting Battlefield 4, and where will Dust be compared to it? Graphics? Controls? Features? Short on all of those. The only thing Dust has is the connection to EVE, a PC game that your average PS3 FPS gamer never played and never will, and thus the connection is utterly meaningless. I made this comparison before, but imagine if there was a connection between EVE and World of Warcraft. On a Venn diagram, the overlap of the two circles would be virtually invisible. I have a strong suspicion it's the same for Dust on PS3 and EVE on PC. One is an FPS on a console, and one is an MMO on a PC. Overlap between those? Not that great.
OK, all right, I admit that EVE is unique. Mostly because there really hasn't been any MMO about spaceships out there in a very long time. When was the last one? Jumpgate? More than a decade ago? But releasing an FPS sci-fi shooter, an F2P one, within months of MMOFPS like Planetside 2 or a bunch of futuristic F2P FPSers? Madness.
yo rage sucked balls like christ just close up shop, id soft. http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
Dokten Ral
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:47:00 -
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Didn't read thread, but Dust is a unique offering for a gaming experince unlike anything else on the market atm because of it's unique connection to EVE. Somebody gives it a 5.8? Big deal, they just don't get it yet.. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:52:00 -
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FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:Malcanis wrote:When did IGN become credible reviewers? they have been for a long time... read the reviews they are pretty fair and explain their ratings well
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:55:00 -
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Not played Dust myself, but is it true your aim, pitch and yaw, and such things as cross hair moving with breath, are all related to skill points?
If that is the case, I'd not like it either. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1003
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:59:00 -
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DUST very well could be a flop, but considering they're trying something new in the FPS genre, I'll give it more than some early reviews of what I believe is still a beta before calling it.
That said, it sounds like they're struggling with some fundamental gameplay mechanics, so they should probably get that **** sorted ASAP. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:59:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Not played Dust myself, but is it true your aim, pitch and yaw, and such things as cross hair moving with breath, are all related to skill points?
If that is the case, I'd not like it either. No. Not at all. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
Wow really does show how pathetic Goonswarm is, u drop 8 blackops onto a logi ship in the middle of nowhere, maybe when goonswarm gets some skilled pilots then mayb just mayb you'll be able to compete with TEST. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:59:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Not played Dust myself, but is it true your aim, pitch and yaw, and such things as cross hair moving with breath, are all related to skill points?
If that is the case, I'd not like it either.
I hear you have to play it with a joypad AND its an FPS.
That alone means it shouldnt pass 3.0 or whatever the equivalent of a terrible game is. "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:02:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote: No. Not at all.
K, thanks for the info |
Adunh Slavy
914
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:03:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: I hear you have to play it with a joypad AND its an FPS.
FPS with out a mouse and keyboard is not srs business. |
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RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:When did IGN become credible reviewers?
When I read their reviews on other games and actually agree with them thats when. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Raiden.
50
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:18:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:Dust is not a good and enjoyable FPS game. I tried playing it, I really tried, but when the aiming is so atrocious and the vehicles controls so bad and the physics are just bad, there isn't much left in the game. The shooting sucks, the driving sucks, and really I don't see a reason to continue playing as there are hundreds of other dust bunnies to take my place in battles. This is pretty much it.
I AFK the weekly SP cap in skirmish matches in two or three days every week so I can dump a lot of SP into something cool when the game is in a better shape. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:21:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Malcanis wrote:When did IGN become credible reviewers? When I read their reviews on other games and actually agree with them thats when.
One does not follow the other.
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:22:00 -
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This link will tell you everything you need to know about the credibility of gaming journalism.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-ii |
Viceran Phaedra
Instar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:37:00 -
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Early days yet, people. Though I will say that fundamentals need to be addressed before anything shiny gets added. That means moving, aiming, tracking and driving. If it doesn't feel right just to walk and look around, immersion is immediately broken and enjoyment suffers.
Ask me again when it comes to PC. It's the only way to save DUST from the inevitable decay all console FPS' suffer as they're stacked under the latest CoD installment. Personally I love the idea of an EVE FPS and playing the 'long game' like we all do with our EVE skills, and it having meaningful impact in both games, and I hope CCP strike the balance.
...failing that, I guess you could just plug DUST into the door in the Captain's Quarters and let us optionally shoot each other in the face inside stations. __________________ Chief Executive Officer Instar Heavy Industries |
Gillia Winddancer
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:06:00 -
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Dust is going to grow. I bet anything and everything on it. It's current state is no different to how EVE was when it was released - pretty much a mere seed that hasn't even really sprouted yet.
The thing that CCP truly excel at is sheer persistence and everlasting iterations and it will make all the difference in the world once Dust has fixed all the infantile issues and added even more content/integrated further with EVE.
Whilst orbital bombardments are cool they're nothing compared to all the other crazy interactions that you'll eventually have and people will eventually discover this.
In the end it doesn't matter in the slightest whether there is a million CoD fanbois who will end up dissing Dust. These aren't really the kind of players that we want in the EVE universe anyway.
Control issues and other things of this nature aside, the one thing that I personally cannot really figure out is how utterly lost many people seem to be when they first start playing Dust. Maybe I am just the kind of player who doesn't mind reading some text and so on in order to learn things in a game but the skill system and whatnot else doesn't seem to really require a university degree to figure out. Yet so many seem to act as if this is the case which makes me wonder whether their mothers dropped them on their heads when they were small or something.
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Lyza Kimbo
Cat Scratch Fever
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Posted - 2013.06.01 00:16:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:I remember seeing reviews for EVE in the low 6's when it was first released. Just sayin'. this is a console FPS game though, I'm not sure it's as much of a keeper. great idea and all but if it's mainly going to get support from eve fanbois then they should have put it on the PC in the first place. time will tell i guess.
QFT
This exactly. I'd like to give Dust a try, but I'm not going to buy a PS3 just for that.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
216
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Posted - 2013.06.01 01:55:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Whilst orbital bombardments are cool they're nothing compared to all the other crazy interactions that you'll eventually have and people will eventually discover this.
You have any examples of this or are we just pipe dreaming here? Just log into EVE, enter the CQ and look at the door. That door is going to be DUST's legacy here.
Post Incarna: Sorry we messed up guys. We're only going to focus on spaceships from now on....except for that F2P shooter we're making...but we promise it will be just as good as the captain's quarters and have "potential". |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.01 02:22:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:For DUST, unlike virtually every other console game out there, reviews that point out weak parts of the game are actually helpful in it's ongoing development process. For other games that type of review would kill initial sales, and since their entire revenue is based on this it would effectively kill the game. Not so for DUST. I feel like I am in a washing machine with all this spin going on.
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Luc Chastot
Gentleman's Corp
367
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Posted - 2013.06.01 02:25:00 -
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http://www.gamespot.com/eve-online/reviews/eve-online-the-second-genesis-review-6029978/ Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2481
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Posted - 2013.06.01 02:48:00 -
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Whatever. My spaceship has places to be anyway...
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
533
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:09:00 -
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10 years ago EVE Online sucked. Less than 5,000 people played it. It was broken and exploitable. It got horrible reviews.
'meh. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2481
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:13:00 -
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I'm in space....
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:16:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:For DUST, unlike virtually every other console game out there, reviews that point out weak parts of the game are actually helpful in it's ongoing development process. For other games that type of review would kill initial sales, and since their entire revenue is based on this it would effectively kill the game. Not so for DUST. I feel like I am in a washing machine with all this spin going on. Wait until you hit the drier. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:25:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: I hear you have to play it with a joypad AND its an FPS.
FPS with out a mouse and keyboard is not srs business. With the exception of mouse users using mice with rapid fire (30 mouse clicks in under a second with the TAR - which is getting patched) I have been dunking the **** out of them with my controller. You can keep preaching that a FPS is better on a PC, but the unspinnable, cold hard truth is that a vast majority of the human population on the planet prefers the controller.
Deal with it.
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Gillia Winddancer
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
370
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Posted - 2013.06.01 07:56:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Whilst orbital bombardments are cool they're nothing compared to all the other crazy interactions that you'll eventually have and people will eventually discover this.
You have any examples of this or are we just pipe dreaming here? Just log into EVE, enter the CQ and look at the door. That door is going to be DUST's legacy here. Post Incarna: Sorry we messed up guys. We're only going to focus on spaceships from now on....except for that F2P shooter we're making...but we promise it will be just as good as the captain's quarters and have "potential".
Well obviously I at least live in the reality where I know that everything cannot be created in half an hour. I am fully aware that the door is going to stay closed for quite some time still due to resources having been redirected elsewhere and that CCP made a couple of mistakes which led to this. But hey, that is reality and bitching about it is a task for fools and worse.
As for new content, we've heard a lot of different things already. Again, I don't expect it to be around for at least a couple of years but what we all know is that CCP wants to essentially merge these two games into one where dusties run around in stations and ships (titans) and cause havoc. I don't play dust in the slightest as I'm not even a console user but nevertheless I think that Dust is the best thing since sliced bread in terms of innovation. Specially when you consider how god damn stale the whole gaming industry has been for the last 5 or so years.
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Dalmont Delantee
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:32:00 -
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I actually agree with that review, and I like the game... |
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
47
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:22:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:http://www.gamespot.com/eve-online/reviews/eve-online-the-second-genesis-review-6029978/
Damn beat me to it!
Anyhow the point I was going to make was that when Eve Online first came out it got pretty lukewarm reviews too, and now it has outlasted a significant portion of MMOs. While I am not impressed with Dust 514 yet, doesn't mean with some time and tweaks won't mean it won't eventually become a decent to good game.
Plus people forget that most of the big sites will always gravitate to a specific set type of games that appeal to a broad range of people, so games like Eve Online and Dust will likely get the shaft except for the occasional deeply buried story.
I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:26:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Well obviously I at least live in the reality where I know that everything cannot be created in half an hour.
To be fair Dust has been in development for about 5 years now. Which is far to long for something that is based off of a widely resourced prebuilt engine. From what I've seen about Dust there really isn't anything innovative other then the limited connection with Eve, which is so limited it's hard to call it innovative atm.
In short CCP took WAY to long developing Dust and even after this long, it seems it has major inherent flaws that will detour many players away.
However we will see how it does when released. I don't think it will do well, and won't stand the test of time as Eve has. This is primarily because Eve didn't/doesn't have much competition due to its niche market, Dust is part of a heavily saturated market which is why it is always being compared to BF, PS2, and CoD.
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:28:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote: Dust is part of a heavily saturated market which is why it is always being compared to BF, PS2, and CoD.
This is true, and as its clearly been influenced by those terrible terrble games, it will just end up as a pale imitation of something that is already reeking of awful. Unless they notice that and change it asap
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