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Darth Kilth Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans 98	Posted - 2013.05.31 09:22:00 - [121] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: I Love Boobies wrote: Must remember DUST 514 will continue to get updates just like EVE does. That means it will give CCP a chance to address the issues the reviews are mentioning. Give it some time before you declare DUST 514 dead or a waste of money. I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means. You're comparing player numbers of one of the most popular Console gaming FPS franchises ever that's been growing in player count for the last ten years with that of a new IP of a company most console owners have never heard of if they have ever heard of EVE at all... Right, that's totally a fair comparison! Edit: Spelling
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 9735	Posted - 2013.05.31 09:28:00 - [122] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: I Love Boobies wrote: Must remember DUST 514 will continue to get updates just like EVE does. That means it will give CCP a chance to address the issues the reviews are mentioning. Give it some time before you declare DUST 514 dead or a waste of money. I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means. . I guess it means that World Of Warcraft is 16 times better than EVE? 1 Kings 12:11
Jowen Datloran Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 511	Posted - 2013.05.31 09:55:00 - [123] - Quote 10 years ago EVE-O had 5-6000 people online at prime time and got luke warm reviews. Of course it died off quickly after, while the popular competitor, Earth and Beyond, from the major publisher EA lasted for decades. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á
Swidgen Republic University Minmatar Republic 67	Posted - 2013.05.31 10:35:00 - [124] - Quote FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote: I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign? Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop. other peoples thoughts? http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review The next big red-letter day is when the new Icelandic government lifts capital controls that curretnly prevent investors from moving their money out of Iceland. CCP gets a lot wrong but there's no way I want them to give up control of EVE to anyone else. It would only get worse. Not sure where we end up if Dust isn't a thing anymore by Christmas. So where are the honest GOOD reviews? You know, the ones that aren't bought and paid for? Or do those even exist these days in the gaming trade?
Eli Green The Arrow Project 676	Posted - 2013.05.31 11:34:00 - [125] - Quote Gogela wrote: Eli Green wrote: update is coming in two weeks. That not quick enough for ya? source. If by "update" you mean a couple of teaks, than "no" because it doesn't count. We need a lot more than pushing a couple damage sliders around, I think you'll agree. Tweak would be perfect at the moment, bug fixes, performance issues and balance issues should be the primary target for CCP right now. You (and a majority of the Dust forum warriors) also seem to be forgetting that Sony has regulations when it comes to patch deployment that will slow down this process for which there's nothing CCP can really do but follow Sony's rules. wumbo
Thorleifer Yeti Cave 9	Posted - 2013.05.31 11:40:00 - [126] - Quote The reviews are mixed but what sites that have reviewed the game are all pretty close to the same, which is mediocre game. I am still guessing it will be current eve players playing dust in their own interests and the game will only have a small following of eve players after a period of time.
Eli Green The Arrow Project 676	Posted - 2013.05.31 11:40:00 - [127] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means. So now we can review games from their player counts? Farmville must be amazing wumbo
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4146	Posted - 2013.05.31 11:47:00 - [128] - Quote FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote: I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign? Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop. other peoples thoughts? IGN review? They deliver worse and less credible "news" than EvENews24, and that should say something. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Orka Hudziy Azule Dragoons Sspectre 6	Posted - 2013.05.31 11:52:00 - [129] - Quote Close DUST project , it makes EVE servers down.
Mela Vothis Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.05.31 11:59:00 - [130] - Quote Im sure Dust is really good......... If you like generic bland dull console FPS games
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 146	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:15:00 - [131] - Quote Jak Onren wrote: I like DUST. I was one of those that played it in early beta, but RL got in the way, so I didn't manage to pick up again until last Saturday. Spent all day on it. My sniper rifle had horrible sway, so I tracked down the skill to cure it. I quite like the clunky movement. It reminds me of Dead Space. I am moving around in a bulky suit with a rifle nearly as long as I am tall after all. But, You're also a super powered combat clone with more muscles than can be good for any human and enough brain implants to turn You into a robot. Why would a mere Rifle impede Your movement, or a hyper advanced armored combat suit with (most probably) built in movement enhancing motors and a direct brain-computer interface to enhance Your performance in every possible way for that matter. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 262	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:15:00 - [132] - Quote Review site sillyness aside for a moment, DUST honestly achieves what CCP set out to do. There's not a whole lot revolutionary about the FPS genre anymore, and the slowness with the EVE roll-out is kind of shooting CCP in the foot when it comes to a draw point. DUST and EVE should have been fully integrated by the time beta ended. The game itself is appealing to the EVE/FPS crossover group. Hopefully, CCP will expand on it more, to attract non EVE universe players into the fold. As for review sites, paid ads and rating inflation has really killed the credibility of professional review sites. I seem to remember the "Kane and Lynch" debacle, where a reviewer got fired for doing an honest review. As for rating inflation...how the hell is it that anything below "7" on a 1-10 scale means crap. 5 should be an average game. Something fun, playable, might pick up a DLC for, but will end up in the "tade to Gamespot" bin. 7-10 should be reserved for the really excellent games, like Bioshock series, and Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 146	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:21:00 - [133] - Quote Mela Vothis wrote: Im sure Dust is really good......... If you like generic bland dull console FPS games I played it for a few hours during beta, once You manage to defeat the bad controls it can be fun. The most fun tho was to fit my new suit layouts and think of even more devious ways to splatter my enemies across the next wall. But i can have that in EVE, too or in Planetside, which is F2P, too. Seeing how Dust turned out to be on the PS3 right now, I am almost inclined to believe some of the paranoia mongering of my friends who believe Sony made the deal with CCP to remove competion for Planetside 2... o_O There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Zxays uncooperative freight company 8	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:31:00 - [134] - Quote Everybody who thinks Dust is bad game and IGNs reviews can be taken seriously should immediately get a copy of "Sonic Free Riders"! After all IGN gave it a 7,5 out of 10 and called a it "strong launch title forn++ Kinect". -What could possibly go wrong?
Gwenywell Shumuku 74	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:55:00 - [135] - Quote It seems odd to me that ppl forget to mention: - 6k subscriptions for EvE at start = 6k paying customers = ccp survived it - 6k players for Dust = no subs, no money.....the turnover for FTP games is about 2-5% = 60005%=30015Gé¼= lol?! So, even if we double or triple that amount its paling in comparison to what "successfull" means. I really WANT Dust to succeed (and come to the PC), but for the moment EvE has to support DUST, and we get basically nothing out of it (yet) if you don't have a PS3 yourself. Lets remember what the PR-guy told us last year: EVE+DUST will be the LARGEST GAME IN THE WORLD ....well could be. It really is not deliviering. P.S. yea, Dust has to be a good FPS first, all other aspects come later. It clearly fails that goal atm.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 146	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:23:00 - [136] - Quote Gwenywell Shumuku wrote: I really WANT Dust to succeed (and come to the PC), You'll get my like for the bolded part. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Rebecha Pucontis Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 384	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:24:00 - [137] - Quote I have confidence Dust will improve, it is literally to big for CCP to scrap now, so it will slowly continue to improve as all CCP products always do. The only problem is it will keep sucking money from eve until it can survive on its own which I predict will still be a good few more years. The mechanics are just awful as every review as pointed out, CCP really needs to go back to basics on it and get the core shooting gameplay fun. Also the poor graphics really don't help.
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep Nyratic 343	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:41:00 - [138] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means. This point fails when you consider that CCP is happy for DUST to start small and grow slowly, much the way that Eve did, rather than explode onto the scene and then disappear just as quickly. Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec.
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 216	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:53:00 - [139] - Quote Potential to be a good game isn't a good game and rarely leads to one. Every company that releases a crap game talks about it's "potential" these days. At least the buck stopped at WarZ and we hopefully won't see anymore "foundation" games with "potential" like that. The comparison to EVE's beginnings are nonsense. EVE was a solid unique subscription game with very little competition and still is. DUST is a clone in a sea of FPS clones and is free to play. We'll be carrying this sack of crap for a long time and I hope it doesn't sink the ship. At least the Vampire WoW game they're making doesn't have any connections to EVE unless maybe they're gonna write in the lore that the Jove were really vampires...
Litair Donchian Stripes 23	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:04:00 - [140] - Quote I'd kinda like if someone could point me to an article or some kind of evidence that indicates IGN gets paid to make good reviews. I just see a lot of people using that as an auto-response when they have nothing better to say, but repeating something over and over doesn't necessarily make it right if it was wrong in the first place. :o
Nam Dnilb Universal Frog 21	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:21:00 - [141] - Quote [quote=ign] Quote: ..banal art design, poor shooting and driving mechanics, and a terrible grind.. Most people won't read any further than this part and that's the first paragraph. This is bad news.
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 1158	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:31:00 - [142] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Nexus Day wrote: I Love Boobies wrote: Must remember DUST 514 will continue to get updates just like EVE does. That means it will give CCP a chance to address the issues the reviews are mentioning. Give it some time before you declare DUST 514 dead or a waste of money. I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means. . I guess it means that World Of Warcraft is 16 times better than EVE? What is this thing people have about rating games based on popularity? First, let's agree on simple terms: Bad - when nobody plays the game, no income, servers shut down, game dies (see Tabula Rasa, etc.) Good - lots of players, good income, server alive with people, game flourishes (see WoW, etc.) Therefore, a game with more players is better (more good) than a game with fewer players (more bad). OK? Also, try to remember that CCP is a company with employees, and they are in business to make money, not benefit mankind. As such, CCP would be better if they made more profit, and there's only two ways to increase profits - get more players, or charge current players more. Since the latter is not viable as the P2P system is slowly dying off, it is the former - player numbers. Therefore, even for EVE, more players is better than less players. Therefore, is WoW better than EVE because it's 16x more players? YES! And it's very simple and mathematically proven - 12 million accounts (in its heyday) paying $15 a month (give or take) is better than EVE making $15 a month from only 500k accounts. More money -> better. You can afford to hire more staff, improve quality and amount and frequency of content, can afford to develop the next game, etc. No money -> bad, because that's where everyone gets fired and servers shut down and the game dies, no money to finance the next game, etc. Someone brought up Farmville. Not a fair comparison, seeing as it is not a paid MMO, no monthly sub. But even so, last time I looked they made around 500 million profit. EVE, by comparison, makes what, 90 million? Again, that makes Farmville better than EVE, because it makes more money. Now, this is not to say that Farmville is better FOR YOU specifically. For you, EVE might be better. Different strokes for different folks - some people like to have their junk stomped with stiletto heels, it's just not something that works for the vast majority of folks out there. Therefore, we must use a universal yardstick, and that is still the almighty dollar. And usually, the more players you have, the more money you make. Thus, a game with more players is better than a game with less players, and way better than a game with no players, which is dead.
Kijo Rikki Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables 222	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:49:00 - [143] - Quote As many misgivings as I have about EvE, I feel it is just to defend it as a niche game. I absolutely hate when companies pander to the lowest common denominator. Using TV as an example, I think this attitude has brought us such great entertainment products as honey boo boo. Sadly the trend is seeping into niche television market giving us such great shows as swamp people, duck dynasty and the latest, guntucky. It's nauseating but I don't see it getting any better because its a vicious cycle, idiots keep consuming crap products that makes all of us just a little less intelligent, which slowly increases the base of people consuming crap products so the networks keep feeding us even more of it.
Steve Spooner Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two 77	Posted - 2013.05.31 15:05:00 - [144] - Quote Dust is not a good and enjoyable FPS game. I tried playing it, I really tried, but when the aiming is so atrocious and the vehicles controls so bad and the physics are just bad, there isn't much left in the game. The shooting sucks, the driving sucks, and really I don't see a reason to continue playing as there are hundreds of other dust bunnies to take my place in battles.
Eli Green The Arrow Project 676	Posted - 2013.05.31 15:10:00 - [145] - Quote Steve Spooner wrote: Dust is not a good and enjoyable FPS game. I tried playing it, I really tried, but when the aiming is so atrocious and the vehicles controls so bad and the physics are just bad, there isn't much left in the game. The shooting sucks, the driving sucks, and really I don't see a reason to continue playing as there are hundreds of other dust bunnies to take my place in battles. You must be one of those glass half full guys. wumbo
Remiel Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 1489	Posted - 2013.05.31 15:11:00 - [146] - Quote FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote: I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign? Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop. other peoples thoughts? http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review My only thought is, what's the point in reviewing a free to play game? A review is meant to be to help people determine whether or not they spend their money on the product. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1540	Posted - 2013.05.31 15:18:00 - [147] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote: I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign? Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop. other peoples thoughts? http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review My only thought is, what's the point in reviewing a free to play game? A review is meant to be to help people determine whether or not they spend their money on the product. Time is considered money to some. Reviews also help to show if people are willing to waste time trying a game out. If something gets a majority of terrible feedback, you can pretty much assume it is terrible . CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Admiral Sarah Solette Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.05.31 15:22:00 - [148] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote: I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign? Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop. other peoples thoughts? http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review My only thought is, what's the point in reviewing a free to play game? A review is meant to be to help people determine whether or not they spend their money on the product. Time is money. Also, after many reviewers giving Dust poor ratings and consistently mentioning poor controls, graphics, and gameplay, still seeing people defending Dust by saying 'lol ign', 'stop crying', and other such nonsense reminds me of this piece of gold. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg It's okay to admit that a game you had hopes for failed. It's not the end of the world.
Korah Arnelle University of Caille Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:10:00 - [149] - Quote The biggest thing that struck me about DUST was the fact they attempted to shoehorn their skilling system into an FPS. On paper, this would be okay if it was more about tiered itemization (no grunt ever really started out as a tank driver until s/he trained for it...). But in this case, CCP took the skilling system at its worse and applied it to an FPS, which for most (myself included) isn't about skilling the character, but playing the game (to kill or be killed). If CCP devs wants an example of a novel and deep shooter, try out Far Cry 3. The biggest thing that made that game fun was that you can still kill effectively with any gun even if you're not spec'd into the particular skills that complement it. And that's what I feel CCP missed out on: skills complementing tiered itemization.Frankly, I knew CCP was heading into a disaster with DUST the way they focused on the PS3 during its last years of support. I would've waited until the next-gen consoles came out and done a proof-of-concept demo-test on the PC until I got the concept that fits well with FPS players in general.
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 298	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:14:00 - [150] - Quote Eli Green wrote: Steve Spooner wrote: Dust is not a good and enjoyable FPS game. I tried playing it, I really tried, but when the aiming is so atrocious and the vehicles controls so bad and the physics are just bad, there isn't much left in the game. The shooting sucks, the driving sucks, and really I don't see a reason to continue playing as there are hundreds of other dust bunnies to take my place in battles. You must be one of those glass half full guys. He's right though. Aiming is laughable, driving feels like Super Mario Cart and you get 2k skill points per match and level 5 in dropsuit command takes like 80k skill points or some sh!t. One day DUST 514 will barely be worth playing. That day is not rapidly approaching. Not today spaghetti.

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