It is not a matter of being able to inflict enough damage, it is getting the opportunity to do so. You have to wait for him to **** up before you can attack.

He was not an afk cloaker, but therein lies the problem. Whether a cloaker is AFK or not, as a player you must treat them equally. The initiative favors the cloaker. He could log on, go to sunday school, watch the bears game, and eat a sandwich. All the while, as defending players we have to be on the lookout and searching. At any time the dude could come back to his computer and start to actually play.

Here is the problem with local chat. When people complain about it, they do so not because they are mad that they can see other players in system, it is that other players can see them, automatically, with no effort expended. In my example above, when the afk cloaker comes back to play he can instantly see who is in the system. With no local chat, the moment he gets back to his computer he would then have to spend time and effort to actually locate targets, just as anyone hunting him would. It puts the cloaker and the defender on an even footing. Rather than giving the cloaker a blanket opportunity to harass people just by being logged in.

Game developers shouldn't be in the habit of compensating for the weakness or lazyness of players.

It does not mean that cloaking should be nerfed to mean certain death. Cloakers already give up a lot of dps and/or a lot of tank. Ultimately what is being asked in this thread is for cloakers to be easy targets.

That is not true at all. Making them trackable, but with more than a token effort would prevent precisely this behavior, but have little impact on someone who is actually at their computer.

And removing their free target list would even the playing field as well.

The only real problem with local is that anyone in a cloaked ship can ruin the day of a botter simply by sitting in the system. This is only a problem for the botter. Which means there is actually no problem.

The hypocrisy in this statement is statement is severe.

It is not weak, or lazy, to ask that a game not automatically transmit your presence in a system to any passerby. In fact, it is lazy to fit a single module to a ship and then park yourself in a system forcing other people to ratchet up their effort, manpower, and equipment. That gives too much power to one person. All most would ask for is that if you have a cloak, that you have to do more than be logged in to harass people.

People like you, I am sure, ***** and moan about afk miners, and how carebears just want to be able to sit in a belt and watch TV while they game. So, why is it then that you think a random antagonist should be able to gain some benefit from similar behavior.

So I ask you this. Do you think it is fair that one guy can spend his $15/month to sequester the enjoyment of 7 people for a total $105,

The hypocrisy in this statement is statement is severe. It is not weak, or lazy, to ask that a game not automatically transmit your presence in a system to any passerby. In fact, it is lazy to fit a single module to a ship and then park yourself in a system forcing other people to ratchet up their effort, manpower, and equipment. That gives too much power to one person. All most would ask for is that if you have a cloak, that you have to do more than be logged in to harass people.

People like you, I am sure, ***** and moan about afk miners, and how carebears just want to be able to sit in a belt and watch TV while they game. So, why is it then that you think a random antagonist should be able to gain some benefit from similar behavior.

Do you realize how infantile people sound in nullsec who complain that 1 player who isn't even at their keyboard locks down a system with multitudes of people preventing all of you from doing anything? Seriously? Do you?

+10

So I ask you this. Do you think it is fair that one guy can spend his $15/month to sequester the enjoyment of 7 people for a total $105, while we have no technical way to hunt, track, or eliminate him. Cloaking needs a soft counter. Because right now it causes too much disruption for too little investment.

Translation: I'm still butt hurt from all the whipping Jenn keeps giving me, so let someone else fight for a change lol.

It doesn't surprise me that you jump on the weak and lazy bandwagon.

Moving forward I will not be an enabler for either you or tipia and shall choose to ignore your childish trolling attempts and narcissistic behavior.

Jenn I place you and tipia in the same category. You both have a insatiable need for attention and you resort to trolling to get a thread locked you donGÇÖt like or agree with and you both lack the ability to see any other perspective other than your own.

I simply liked his statement and agreed with that statement. I am not surprised you felt the need to comment on it.

Moving forward I will not be an enabler for either you or tipia and shall choose to ignore your childish trolling attempts and narcissistic behavior.

Jenn I place you and tipia in the same category. You both have a insatiable need for attention and you resort to trolling to get a thread locked you donGÇÖt like or agree with and you both lack the ability to see any other perspective other than your own.

I simply liked his statement and agreed with that statement. I am not surprised you felt the need to comment on it.

Moving forward I will not be an enabler for either you or tipia and shall choose to ignore your childish trolling attempts and narcissistic behavior.

You do not know much about supply and demand do you.

AFK cloaking is mainly a point about this, it would help game bandwidth. This thread as some surprisingly good ideas like inactive timer if your doing nothing, and reshaping local and chat room to make it more appealing the vertical list is flat and is out of place with such a visually aesthetic game.

Keep the tears coming. You would be gankers.

Wow and I thought you were above calling Troll on someone just because they don't agree with you




*disappoint*

Damn it Ramona, you know as well as I do, it's all he has left. Don't take his one last tool from him, you big meanie.

Wow and I thought you were above calling Troll on someone just because they don't agree with you




*disappoint*

No I am not above calling it like it is. I welcome opposing views and opinions and pride myself on being even brained enough to see all sides.

All you have to do is search either locked topic or topic locked and you can clearly see the pattern. They disagree with the topic or statement and troll the thread until it becomes locked. Same people over and over. Same tatctics same results.

n being even brained enough to see all sides.

All you have to do is search either locked topic or topic locked and you can clearly see the pattern. They disagree with the topic or statement and troll the thread until it becomes locked. Same people over and over. Same tatctics same results.

It is not weak, or lazy, to ask that a game not automatically transmit your presence in a system to any passerby. In fact, it is lazy to fit a single module to a ship and then park yourself in a system forcing other people to ratchet up their effort, manpower, and equipment.

Jenn I place you and tipia in the same category. You both have a insatiable need for attention and you resort to trolling to get a thread locked you donGÇÖt like or agree with and you both lack the ability to see any other perspective other than your own.

Yeah I have to remind myself that people seem to think that word means something other than what it actually means





I can honestly say I have NEVER seen Tippia or yourself actually troll anyone, simply state your points of view and make pretty good arguments for.

even brained

Do you mean "open-minded"?





See, thats some light trolling right there

look it up if you need to.

Incorrect. Your main problhttps://forums.eveonline.com/themes/ccpEveOnline/pix-trans.pngem is that you automatically equate Gǣasking hard questionsGǥ and Gǣquestioning unproven assumptions and claimsGǥ to trolling. In reality, it's the opposite: if you can't stand hard question and if you can't prove your assumptions or claims, you are the troll. That's all I'm doing: exposing the trolls. They really don't like that and have a tendency to call people trolls for doing soGǪ but, of course, as always, without any kind of proof to back that claim up.

And my answer is simple, if you and the other 6 guys are unable to get the hot droper/cloak dude you don't belong where you are and you will loose everything you have sooner than later.

C'mon, 6 guys that can't take on a single cloak ship or even a hotdrop with cheapo throwaway stuff and still kill some of them?

You know what's fine when you answer back? -the hotdropers will know you guys will undock shite and kill some of their shinies, they will avoid cyno on your system because they're not there to loose ships but to kill ships.

Just man up or move to high sec if you can't handle with this.

I just wanted to highlight that point. I sometimes post out of irritation, irritated by the fact that someone posts a stupid/unfounded/unprovable thing, gets called on it, and all of a sudden the person pointing out the flaw is the bad guy. Why not just THINK before posting and develop good reasoning skills?

Because that's too damn hard, that's why lol. Just easier to label the half of the universe that doesn't agree with you as "troll" (trollverse?) and be done with it. And that is both weak and lazy....

..in the same way that running to a forum and asking CCP to fix something that doesn't need fixing and is easily aviodable is weak and lazy.

I must simply be doing it wrong, flying Machariels and Rattlesnakes around null sec (usually solo) making isk by the crapload while ignoring (or rarely, killing) cloakers that try to gank me or camp my system. I should have just docked up and spent that time badgering CCP ti fix the game for me....