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Samurai Pumpkin
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Posted - 2005.11.20 04:48:00 -
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Heya folks,
Is there anybody here that can shed some light as to why it's so hard to punish these guys? Thier macro is predictable and thier behavior is so rediculously abnormal that I dont see why they are not banned right away.
Like right now I've spotted macrominers with the following namenclature
Player1
Player2
Player3
Player4
Player5
Player6
Player7
Player8
Player9
Player10
Hauler1
Hauler2
Hauler3
Hauler4
Hauler5
Can someone, maybe even a CCP person shed some light on this? I'm doing what I can about them but in the overall scheme of things I'm maybe only setting them a day or two back.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2005.11.20 05:33:00 -
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Personally I think it's the lack of manpower in the support department.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.20 07:13:00 -
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GM Swoosh is usually very quick to remove them when i report them - wont go into any more detail surfice to say u gotta observe them for a little while. Dont do anything = then file a detailed petition under exploit (this unsures a quick dev response) detail where they are how they are acting etc. Then let the good guys at CCP handle the rest.
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DevBlogHaxor
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Posted - 2005.11.20 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: DevBlogHaxor on 20/11/2005 09:15:47
There is no need to sit and watch a majority of macro miners.
5 "Newbies" all in NPC corps, characters made within minutes of each other, mining together, is a dead give away to a macro mining op.
Or if you steal a crapload of ore from them, and they don't convo you, or spam local with "OMG ORE THIEF".
They have people watching to make sure everything is running normal, so thats why they may seem to be human like at some points (ie, ramming you, popping cans as you approach, etc).
They never talk in local, and if they convo you, they insult your mother in chinise.
At present, I have yet to see a macro miner that speaks proper english.
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Samurai Pumpkin
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Posted - 2005.11.20 10:41:00 -
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I have sent in petitions but I havent seen anything done about it. Does anybody know of a single case where a macrominer has been stopped in one form or another via petition?
Getting back on topic I'm just confused as to why it's so hard to punish these guys when they are clearly being run by a program.
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BBQ
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Posted - 2005.11.20 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: BBQ on 20/11/2005 11:06:58
What we need is a box that comes up that you have to enter a specific random character in, say every 5 mins, when mining lasers are active. It only happens when no rats are present on the screen at the time but will appear when they are gone (so you can kill them without having the box on screen) and if you don't enter the random character in the box then the mining laser does not re-cycle until the correct character is entered into the box (can't manually re-cycle the lasers without entering the info). The box should be placed randomly on the screen but be big enough to see quickly.
To stop them from quickly re-cycling the lasers the timer should be calculated on the total runtime of the laser so it will happen after 5 seconds if the laser was previously run for 4m 55s.
That would wind the macro-ers up a bit & I wouldn't mind that if it got rid of them.
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2005.11.20 12:35:00 -
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The best thing you can do if you spot someone who you think is macro mining is to file a petition ingame (press f12). Make sure to state the details of the characters involved, the time, place etc. The GMs will not post on the forums about the methods used to discover macro-miners, because potential EULA-macroers could use this information to their advantage.
Jacques'
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Torquemanda Corteaz
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Posted - 2005.11.20 12:39:00 -
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Doesn't repeating yourself so many times drive you mad jacques?
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2005.11.20 12:41:00 -
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Patience is something you have to have as a forum mod'. 
and we all take a dose of special ISD medicine every day.
Jacques'
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.11.20 12:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz
Doesn't repeating yourself so many times drive you mad jacques?
Well he's already a member of ISD
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Onubis
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Posted - 2005.11.20 12:45:00 -
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There is a problem though matey, it could be a legit op (me knos tis unlikely) but the GM's gotta be totally sure before taking action. Otherswise we'll get threads like "OMGWTFBBQCCPAREEVILDICTATOR****'S".
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"It is better to die on our feet than live on our knees"
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BobCba
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Posted - 2005.11.20 16:40:00 -
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it would be good if CCP would start naming and shaming the people that buy ISK from these people, I'm sure they could follow the ISK trail fairly easily.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2005.11.20 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: 000Hunter000 on 20/11/2005 18:30:29
sadly i have the feeling ccp isn't doing a lot to stop them tbh.
I'm not saying they don't want to, perhaps they just don't have the time/manpower, but yesterday i had to make some jumps through several hi sec (1.0-0.9) systems in Verge and almost all had several suspicious players in it. In fact, i reported suspect macroers in scolluzer several days ago and i found out there still at it, still mining away in the icebelt there... I'm almost at the point where i'm starting to get sympathy for the orethieves there as well, cause there robbing the macroers as fast as they mine it.
I wish we (the playerbase) could actually do something to stop them other then, reporting them and/or robbing/hindering them.
They should add a new GM group, call em ccp ninjas (or whatever  ) that go around testing suspected macrominers and have the power to shut them down. I think a lot of players wouldn't mind spending an hour or 2 a week tracking down macroers.
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6Killer
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Posted - 2005.11.20 18:30:00 -
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hmmmm, is that medicine prozac or ritilin by chance?
As for the macro miners, steal from them and steal from them often.
They can't shoot you without Concord jumping them, if standing is high enough can't place a bounty on you.
Use them for all it's worth.
They do the work you reap the rewards. |
infraX
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Posted - 2005.11.20 20:15:00 -
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surely the easiest cure to the macromining problem is put belt rats in EVERY belt - i.e. even in 0.9 and 1.0 systems.
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bustergonads
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Posted - 2005.11.20 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: infraX
surely the easiest cure to the macromining problem is put belt rats in EVERY belt - i.e. even in 0.9 and 1.0 systems.
wouldnt cure it many macroers use drones for defence
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Teri Ipeh
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Posted - 2005.11.20 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Samurai Pumpkin
Heya folks,
Is there anybody here that can shed some light as to why it's so hard to punish these guys? Thier macro is predictable and thier behavior is so rediculously abnormal that I dont see why they are not banned right away.
Like right now I've spotted macrominers with the following namenclature
Player1
Player2
Player3
Player4
Player5
Player6
Player7
Player8
Player9
Player10
Hauler1
Hauler2
Hauler3
Hauler4
Hauler5
Can someone, maybe even a CCP person shed some light on this? I'm doing what I can about them but in the overall scheme of things I'm maybe only setting them a day or two back.
15 accounts @ $14.95/month each account.
You want to know why CCP don't jump on the case right away?
$225.00 per month in the CCP coffers is why.
You don't really expect them to do anything but take their time with banning so many accounts when it does nothing but cost them money?
The law-abiding playerbase and the good of the game come second to the almighty dollar I'm afraid. It's about time people stopped expecting too much from a business like CCP and realised the bottom line for any company is how much profit they can make each month - and not how macromining scumbags screw the game over for the rest of us.
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.11.20 21:03:00 -
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What if those accounts are 14day trial accounts ?
then the macro'er simply erases the accounts and gets a a replacement bunch of miners for another 14 days?
I say Ban them and Criminally prosecute them. |
Shugo Kazuma
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Posted - 2005.11.20 21:05:00 -
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maybe we'll be able to do something after RMR comes in, most of the macros I've seen pick up from any can in the area regardless of who it belongs to. So get a friend to lend you 1 veldspar, drop it in a can next to their own and when the hauler comes in and steals it, blow it to shreds.
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2005.11.20 21:37:00 -
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Gotta agree that the macro industry growth is getting a tad silly .
Reporting any instance of them is good .There are loads of ways to spot them and plenty of threads about the ploys they use .
Most are no doubt are the 14 day trials .
IMHO As to the "inactivity " of CCP maybe they are watching and tracing as to which True accounts the isk goes.
And may I just add  in my opinion if you cant be bothered to report them then you are condoning their actions by your own.
Just an opinion not a flame .
Regards Al Thorr
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cleric elflord
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Posted - 2005.11.20 22:12:00 -
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The only macrominers you can stop are the afk ones. There really is no way to prevent non-afk people really. Unless CCP is into installing spyware through their gameclient into customer's machines like blizzard does.
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Gredoh
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Posted - 2005.11.20 22:20:00 -
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CCP don't genuinley care about macroers.
1 macroer with his numerous accounts probably earns CCP each month what one law-abiding player earns them in a year.
Just look at how many times the record of concurrent users is broken each month. You don't seriously think all those new accounts are geniune players do you?. Macro mining is the biggest growing industry in eve.
Get used to it, they're here to stay.
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2005.11.20 22:38:00 -
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On the jumps in concurrent subscribers, there is that other little science-fiction MMO that just exploded. Lots of refugees such as myself moving over to Eve.
As for spyware and random boxes and such: they're all fairly easy to defeat for a serious-enough macroer. You have to rememer that a MMOG client is completely vulnerable. Anything you add to the game that requires the client to do something will only stop 'casual' macroers. The serious macroers will get around it, then sell their hacks to semi-serious macroers.
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Vlodec
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Posted - 2005.11.20 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gredoh
Macro mining is the biggest growing industry in eve.
Get used to it, they're here to stay.
Not if we (the players) make a concerted attempt to stop them it isn't. Just identify them and steal their ore. All it requires is the will.
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Vlodec
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Posted - 2005.11.20 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ukucia
On the jumps in concurrent subscribers, there is that other little science-fiction MMO that just exploded. Lots of refugees such as myself moving over to Eve.
As for spyware and random boxes and such: they're all fairly easy to defeat for a serious-enough macroer. You have to rememer that a MMOG client is completely vulnerable. Anything you add to the game that requires the client to do something will only stop 'casual' macroers. The serious macroers will get around it, then sell their hacks to semi-serious macroers.
Quite so. This is why concerted action by the players is what's required. Software is dumb.
Well, ok, so are people.
But we're not AS dumb. Players can spot macrominers everytime. Take their ore and make it simply not worth their while.
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Number 66
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Posted - 2005.11.20 23:49:00 -
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It's good money stealing from macro miners. I suggest if people really want to stop them, then start hitting where it hurts in the wallet.
I've reported the same group of macro miners no less then 25 times. Their always there the next day when I hit my insta BM for easy cash. Why doesn't CCP ban them? Money money money, their over 48 macro miners in the system I'm stationed at alone. Just about ever icefield in empire space has a crap load of macro miners. The Macro miners I've been stealing from recently have a fleet of about 10-20 Kessie's that patrol the belts now. I imagine their all training combat pilots now for the RMR can flagging ordeal.
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Vlodec
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Posted - 2005.11.21 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Vlodec on 21/11/2005 01:18:39
Even CCP must understand the upset this causes to the playerbase as a whole. Macromining only makes sense if you have someone to sell your ISK to. Are they looking ahead to a future where 3rd Worlders mine ore to sell the ISK to 1st Worlders ? If they are then they surely are, well, short-sighted, shall we say ?
It's an interesting point though. It may be that CCP will become an example to future MMPORGS viz. how not to do business. I look forward to the ultimate outcome of this whole affair...from a purely academic viewpoint.
Addition: the ever growing number of posts on this topic apprises us of its growing concern amongst subscribers. This in itself is of interest.
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axis featherfall
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Posted - 2005.11.21 01:47:00 -
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all we can do is take there ore and if they turn out to be real miners that r jus not payin attention give there ore back thats wat i do
come to channel-macro if u have news on possible macroers share witht the community who want to help sabotage the macroers oporations :)
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Vlodec
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Posted - 2005.11.21 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: axis featherfall
all we can do is take there ore and if they turn out to be real miners that r jus not payin attention give there ore back thats wat i do
come to channel-macro if u have news on possible macroers share witht the community who want to help sabotage the macroers oporations :)
YES.
Having said which...if I were an english grammar teacher I'd probably have to slit my guts after reading your post Axis. Never mind eh ?
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Samurai Pumpkin
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Posted - 2005.11.21 02:23:00 -
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Today in Jita someone in local said...
Are there any humans mining ice that would like to be left alone?
Nobody responded. How terribly terribly sad. The eve economy has a driving force such as macrominers supplying a good deal of the minerals instead of the players with the skills that they spent months developing.
*Looks at his 4 Covetors in storage*
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