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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.11.21 19:40:00 -
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Effective Saturday Nov 12, ISS has no obligations to BoB in Period Basis or elsewhere.
One of the BOB corps CEO, SirMolle, terminated the contract between ISS and BoB with three days notice, thus violating the terms of our agreement which stipulated 4 weeks prior notice for changes in contractual terms.
Background
On Friday Nov 11, a rogue pilot from an ISS member corporation was seen flying in a gang with Vertigo Coalition, fighting a BoB guest alliance called Exuro Mortis. The next day, when ISS management was made aware of the issue, we immediately expelled the pilot from ISS, as this was a clear violation of the ISS Charter. We then contacted the wronged parties and told them of the outcome.
Our swift resolution of the matter was apparently not sufficient for the BoB spokesperson since he then proceeded to resign the contract on behalf on BoB in the form of a 5 minute monologue.
ISS has received no explanations or insights into why BoB chose to disregard the terms of a clearcut contract.
ISS is sad to see a mutually profitable business relationship come to an end.
About ISS
The ISS is a playerdriven civilian megacorporation specialised in moon mining, production and distribution of the derived products, ie. Tech2 components. The company operate all over the known Eve galaxy.
The ISS megacorporation does not claim territory anywhere in Eve like the traditional alliance/states. The ISS work, like the Kaalikiota or Ishukone corporations, in many states and alliances and pay tax and rent to their hosts in the regions they have been allowed to work in.
The ISS was originally created to provide a framework for the many small and medium sized corporations that wish to move into 0.0 space, but who cannot because of political and military constraints or a lack of alliance-affiliation.
Chairman, ISS
Now open:
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2005.11.21 19:43:00 -
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Good on you ISS :D
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.11.21 19:49:00 -
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sigh
The incident you refer to was FAAAR from isolated, ISS were nothing but a liability.
Get over it and quit whining.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.11.21 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 21/11/2005 19:52:18
I think I can safely say about that that we do not dislike ISS as a concept at all, not you as it's leader.
But, one would say you need to re-evaluate your policies on a number of things, including but not limited to:
- recruitment
- internal communications
We let you in, we set rules, we don't give people many chances and are known for that. Screw up = byebye. If you accept the rules, don't break them.
So for us breaching the 4 week contract deal, who cares ?
I dont know if it even existed, but I couldn't care less.
As I understand this wasn't a singular issue with just one member, if it were we would probably haven't kicked you out. However, 4 week periods mean nothing to us like I said.
Oh, and SirMolle or Shrike is not a spokesperson, it's the alliance leader. If he says so, it goes for BoB. No use trying the "misled director doing something oopsy" angle on that.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.11.21 19:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
sigh
The incident you refer to was FAAAR from isolated, ISS were nothing but a liability.
Get over it and quit whining.
i gotta agree, having such a loose alliance means that any one person can really mess things up for you.
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Mister Snow
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Posted - 2005.11.21 19:52:00 -
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Well done for sticking up to typical BoB bullying. Guard that stunning Margins outpost well. Taking something like that would suit Molles uber ego just perfectly.
Good luck ISS.
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Nuala Reece
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nuala Reece on 21/11/2005 20:09:06
Originally by: Rod Blaine
So for us breaching the 4 week contract deal, who cares ?
I dont know if it even existed, but I couldn't care less.
That would seem like a pretty important thing for people to care about who currently have agreements with BoB or who plan to in the future. Breach of contract is a pretty serious thing in diplomacy and not the kind of thing that goes unnoticed or is easily forgotten.
If your contract allowed for 4 weeks notice you could have used this as a deadline for ISS to sort out their problem recruits, following which BoB could have ended the contract as per the agreement.
Originally by: Rod Blaine
As I understand this wasn't a singular issue with just one member, if it were we would probably haven't kicked you out. However, 4 week periods mean nothing to us like I said.
Then why include that time period as part of a diplomatic/economic agreement? How does BoB expect allies and customers to trust them when their members display such contempt for contractual obligations?
Be Free
Starlancers
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:14:00 -
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We are well known for honoring agreements with those that keep them.
We demanded that ISS run internal security protocols in keeping with the fact that we're a very close knit group, that demands higher recruitment and acceptance criteria than "can fly a hauler".
We notified ISS of pilots that were quite obviouslys pies and saboteurs. These were indeed swiftly dealt with, however the agreement wasn't that they would be kicked upon discovery, it was that ISS would do everything in its power to prevent these pilots from joining their ranks in the first place.
They failed in this. As such they failed to keep to their obligations as one of our community corporations / alliances and led to them being removed from our space.
Good luck to ISS, because if they don't square up their internal security you can bet we won't be the last to revoke your standings. As it was we were one of, if not the, first group to allow them access, they borked it.
Learn from that and move on. And stay the hell out of our way.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:16:00 -
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A civilian non affiliated alliance full of independent thinking and breathing individulas will not work. Especially in the age of alt accounts, char sales and alt characters.
Last but not least u cant control if there werent sleepers exploiting the rights u had in BoB space. Just imagine alts bringing ammo, scouting, collecting infos all under your tag and you get a small thought about the things which stink with "neutrals" in any warzone (in eve's current way and possibilities).
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nuala Reece
Breach of contract is a pretty serious thing in diplomacy and not the kind of thing that goes unnoticed or is easily forgotten
Shooting a pilot of an Alliance that gives you permission to do what you will in there space also is not a thing that goes un-noticed. Ever heard of 'Gross Misconduct', it's written into most standard employment contracts, infact contracts of pretty much any type, and leads to IMMEDIATE dismissal. Shooting a BoB pilot in BoB claimed space, pretty much counts as gross misconduct. Any alliance that can't control it's pilots, is not the type of Alliance that BoB wants in its space. I find it pretty surprising that Molle didn't give the order to immediatley roast any unluckey ISS pilot in PB after the incident. Us foot soldiers were told NOT to fire on ISS until the date ISS were given to remove themselves and their effects, and no one did, because BoB pilots can actually follow rules that are set out.
Not to mention the army of alts that ISS houses who's main's are in Alliance with polar views to our.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:33:00 -
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so we can shoot those ISS now? \o/
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:35:00 -
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Standings ftw.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Burzon
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:39:00 -
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I think there are many issues evolving around this situation.
1. As fas as my knowledge goes, the PBA regional coordinator, who happends to be in my corp, was not made aware of the problems and actions mentioned here.
2. BoB could have stuck to their deal quitting the contract before that last incident in order to allow ISS for a organised retreat rather then a unpleasent exodus from Period Basis.
3. Days before the incident the contract between ISS and BoB had been changed and this would have been another chance to make ISS aware of the problems BoB had with several ISS corporations.
4. In terms of deescalation both BoB and Exuro Mortis were not willing to get into negotiations with senior ISS management.
5. Upon end of the grace period to exit Period Basis an empire war with Exuro Mortis became active, so from my understanding problems must have been severe.
All in all i can say that we thank BoB for lettings us deal with them on the contract for more then 4 month on the other hand dealings on how the contract was ended were sub par and a full explanation was lacking, which was the primary reason for posting this on the forums.
In addition to this it must be said that my corp was offered to leave ISS and renegotiate a per corp contract for living in Period Basis.
Good luck for the future BoB and thx for all the fish.
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar
Sales Director, ISS
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Nuala Reece
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Nuala Reece on 21/11/2005 20:52:57
Originally by: Rift Scorn
Shooting a pilot of an Alliance that gives you permission to do what you will in there space also is not a thing that goes un-noticed. Ever heard of 'Gross Misconduct', it's written into most standard employment contracts, infact contracts of pretty much any type, and leads to IMMEDIATE dismissal.
Was it part of BoB's contract with ISS? If so, was it used as the reason for terminating the contract? Generally speaking a contract would need to have already defined what constitutes 'gross misconduct' in order that there is no confusion when that is used as a reason to terminate the contract. These things need checks and balances to avoid snap decisions and confusion. Also, no matter what the reason surely ISS deserves the courtesy of an explanation of what desicion has been made, what reasoning went into that desicion, and under what terms of the contract it was made. Especially when, according to Count TaSessine, ISS was given 3 days notice of the termination. However,
Originally by: Count TaSessine
ISS has received no explanations or insights into why BoB chose to disregard the terms of a clearcut contract.
There appears to be a lack of clarity on BoB's part as to what decision was made and why (at least as far as communicating that to ISS goes) as well as a lack of clarity on the part of some BoB members as to what agreements their alliance is maintining and the reasons for them.
Be Free
Starlancers
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Angus Therm0pyle
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:55:00 -
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the fact iss just hired mercs didn't help 
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:56:00 -
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Nuala, read my post and stop flannelling the whole thing with rl legalese.
ISS failed to control or police their members, something we insisted they do - ergo we revoked their standings.
End of story.
It's a shame the ISS guy removed his post prior to yours, was a good one.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:59:00 -
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Look this is pretty simple and doesn't need 650 lengthy well worded replies.
ISS came to us and asked to use our space.
We agreed.
A bunch of nasty people then took advantage of ISS by using alts to haul stuff into Delve, using ISS to watch our shared channels, abusing friendly corps in local and then, finally, attacking friendly corps.
Finally, over a week ago, ISS contract was terminated and they were given 3 days to leave.
Why they felt it necessary to post here I don't know. If they were looking for answers or to attempt to tarnish our Alliance then good luck with that.
Game over man, game over.
My advice, steer well clear of BoB pilots.
You had your chance to reap the rewards of living in our space and through no-one elses fault but your own you have failed.
Fly safe,
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nuala Reece
...as well as a lack of clarity on the part of some BoB members as to what agreements their alliance is maintining and the reasons for them.
Since when do the rank and file need to know the most intimate details of ever agreement? They don't. Too many people knowing too much leads to too many cooks.
That's not how we operate.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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ponieus
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Posted - 2005.11.21 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Burzon
Edited by: Burzon on 21/11/2005 20:47:32
Nuff said 
now why you do that.. nothing wrong with it..
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:07:00 -
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As much as it hurts...I can't help but agree with BoB on this. 
~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon
Biomass fears me.
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Alexison
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Burzon
I think there are many issues evolving around this situation.
1. As fas as my knowledge goes, the PBA regional coordinator, who happends to be in my corp, was not made aware of the problems and actions mentioned here.
2. BoB could have stuck to their deal quitting the contract before that last incident in order to allow ISS for a organised retreat rather then a unpleasent exodus from Period Basis.
3. Days before the incident the contract between ISS and BoB had been changed and this would have been another chance to make ISS aware of the problems BoB had with several ISS corporations.
4. In terms of deescalation both BoB and Exuro Mortis were not willing to get into negotiations with senior ISS management.
5. Upon end of the grace period to exit Period Basis an empire war with Exuro Mortis became active, so from my understanding problems must have been severe.
All in all i can say that we thank BoB for lettings us deal with them on the contract for more then 4 month on the other hand dealings on how the contract was ended were sub par and a full explanation was lacking, which was the primary reason for posting this on the forums.
In addition to this it must be said that my corp was offered to leave ISS and renegotiate a per corp contract for living in Period Basis.
Good luck for the future BoB and thx for all the fish.
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar
Sales Director, ISS
This deserves to be said. 
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Baldour Ngarr on 21/11/2005 21:09:17
Originally by: Angus Therm0pyle
the fact iss just hired mercs didn't help
We haven't hired anybody to attack BoB; we have no reason to. Any mercs we may have hired to attack anybody else, is hardly relevant to this press release.
*edit* I probably should have held off on posting this until I'm officially back in ISS. Guys from Aliastra aren't normally considered to be alliance members 
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Angus Therm0pyle
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Edited by: Baldour Ngarr on 21/11/2005 21:09:17
Originally by: Angus Therm0pyle
the fact iss just hired mercs didn't help
We haven't hired anybody to attack BoB; we have no reason to. Any mercs we may have hired to attack anybody else, is hardly relevant to this press release.
*edit* I probably should have held off on posting this until I'm officially back in ISS. Guys from Aliastra aren't normally considered to be alliance members
when you do check your alliance mails cause my alts did
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qrac
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:14:00 -
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it took longer than i expected.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Angus Therm0pyle
when you do check your alliance mails cause my alts did
So did mine, and they confirm that we have not hired any mercenaries to attack BoB.
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: qrac
it took longer than i expected.
Indeed
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
We notified ISS of pilots that were quite obviouslys pies and saboteurs.
yumm Pie :P I love pie Don't you ? ;.;
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Sartaron
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sartaron on 21/11/2005 21:25:06
OOC:
"... cause my alts did ..."
better say ".. cause my spies did... "
otherwise peaople could think you need metagaming to survive in this universe ;-)
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BillyBong2
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:26:00 -
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/emote is confused.
What took longer then expected?
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:30:00 -
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Why they felt it necessary to post here I don't know. If they were looking for answers or to attempt to tarnish our Alliance then good luck with that.
Same reason BoB, Five or any other alliance makes public announcements 
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