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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Kyguard
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Why they felt it necessary to post here I don't know. If they were looking for answers or to attempt to tarnish our Alliance then good luck with that.
Same reason BoB, Five or any other alliance makes public announcements 
Smacktalk others because we are uber ? :(
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kyguard on 21/11/2005 21:37:52
Originally by: Antoinette Civari
Originally by: Kyguard
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Why they felt it necessary to post here I don't know. If they were looking for answers or to attempt to tarnish our Alliance then good luck with that.
Same reason BoB, Five or any other alliance makes public announcements
Smacktalk others because we are uber ? :(
Uh? Oh, don't take it the wrong way or get me wrong...I lub the drama 
And in staying on topic; Good luck to ISS.
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WeLoveYouLongTime
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:41:00 -
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Its really not a good idea to fall out with one of the biggest alliance killers in the game - especially when you have a 40bil outpost toy. You should be making friends not loosing them.
Bob wont come for you because they are on the other side of eve and frankly it wouldn't be worth thier time to go east and hurt you. But you should take this as a warning and improve your contractal relations with your neighbours better because if you start to fall out with them too then its bye bye outpost.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: WeLoveYouLongTime
Its really not a good idea to fall out with one of the biggest alliance killers in the game - especially when you have a 40bil outpost toy..
ISS doesn't *own* that toy, it just runs it. It's owned by the shareholders, many of whom are significant high-up guys in major alliances, who would be, shall we say, displeased if it was under serious attack.
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Leneerra
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:49:00 -
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Simplest reason to post this:
Informing their shareholders of circumstances that may seriously affect the share value and dividents.
and in doing so they did well.
However,
-Taking the end of the agreament to a public court.
-Disclosing only part of the contract in an attempt to sway public sentiment.
These acts are less than professional.
I can accept they feel wronged somehow by the decisive action of BoB.
But I also see how BoB sees its intrests harmed by the inability on ISS-es side to keep the pilots they accept responcebillity for under control.
In BoB space BoB is the authority until, by force, others prove they have authority. The actions by the pilots flying under ISS flag directly undermine this authority.
This also showes the problems of so called binding contracts. There is nothing that makes them binding. There is no authority either side can turn to if they feel wronged.
Maybe for contracts there should be some kind of arbitration or a (public)registry.
Only if some kind of arbitor could be found that both parties would accept, then this dispute could perhaps be solved with both parties satisfied. This is a very unlikely scenario.
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WeLoveYouLongTime
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: WeLoveYouLongTime on 21/11/2005 21:53:15
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: WeLoveYouLongTime
Its really not a good idea to fall out with one of the biggest alliance killers in the game - especially when you have a 40bil outpost toy..
ISS doesn't *own* that toy, it just runs it. It's owned by the shareholders, many of whom are significant high-up guys in major alliances, who would be, shall we say, displeased if it was under serious attack.
So are you saying that they dont care if bob attack the ISS Marginis or are you saing that if they do then shareholders from other major alliances will deal with bob for them?
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Kala amortis
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Posted - 2005.11.21 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
We are well known for honoring agreements with those that keep them.
ummm
sry history of eve atm says no to this statement
2nd PA war
FA war
nameless others
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:00:00 -
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"So are you saying that they dont care if bob attack the ISS Marginis or are you saing that if they do then shareholders from other major alliances will deal with bob for them?"
It sounds like the latter, and to be honest feels a bit like a blunder. Don't think there was ill sentiment about the way contract was ended, neither would that be a reason to go after ISS or the things they run. But rattling sabers to the tune of "nah nah we have friends so no one can harm us" may have exactly opposite effect ... since it's bordering on a challenge and these sometimes get accepted.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:01:00 -
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If ISS want answers Count can convo me directly. For airing elements of our business in public you lose another 100 points on the 'in favour with BoB scale', which is not generally accepted as being amongst the smartest moves a player in Eve can make.
I think this discussion has gone plenty far enough from our perspective, you know how to use the conversation option if you want any further explanation for our answers.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: WeLoveYouLongTime
Its really not a good idea to fall out with one of the biggest alliance killers in the game - especially when you have a 40bil outpost toy..
ISS doesn't *own* that toy, it just runs it. It's owned by the shareholders, many of whom are significant high-up guys in major alliances, who would be, shall we say, displeased if it was under serious attack.
...and you think we couldn't square that away first? You're awfully niaive if you think that will stop us if we decide we want that outpost.
You guys really ought to be flying under our radar at the moment, you're on the **** list of at least one BoB CEO at the moment, manage to get on another one and that really might be heat things up.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Mr Babilonia
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:07:00 -
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No one is doing chest beating. It was just mentioned on how we see things and that we could not get a full explanation of the issues. If this thread serves the purpose to get them ... fine ... if not ... we will end posting here. It is not thought to test out alliance egos.
In addition Badlour was only mentioning that hitting Marginis outpost is not an attack on ISS assets but on other peoples assets, namely the shareholders. If an attack is launched no one can predict the reactions from other entities.
Nuff said now !
Burzon
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:08:00 -
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Well Count has to post publically because of the shareholders more or less. The rest of the posturing is nonsense really and none of it is done by count tasessine. Then again it's not unknown for smallfish to start trouble that escalates into a whole ****storm...
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:08:00 -
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I think BoB is generally not all that unhappy about 'reactions' from 'other entities'. 
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qrac
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: BillyBong2
/emote is confused.
What took longer then expected?
sir molle's patience 
the negative aspects of u operating in bob's space outweighed the positive aspects. it is as simple as that..
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Burzon
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:10:00 -
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Damn production alts :D
CEO PAX Interstellar
Sales Director, ISS
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hellhathnofury
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666
its a ******* game, leave your legal bull**** out of game plz ?
It's not just a game, it's another life. And as much a game as the real one is.
I love threads like this
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
...and you think we couldn't square that away first?
For all I know, some of those shareholders are IN BoB. Besides, it wouldn't be a lot of use to anyone other than ISS, it's purely a trade hub. Owned by a regional-claiming alliance, it's not going to function as much of a trade hub, is it?
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
For all I know, some of those shareholders are IN BoB. Besides, it wouldn't be a lot of use to anyone other than ISS, it's purely a trade hub. Owned by a regional-claiming alliance, it's not going to function as much of a trade hub, is it?
Take it, ransom it back, pay out the loss of the shareholders in the own alliance and spread the wealth inbetween the involved corps. ;)
Originally by: Kyguard
Uh? Oh, don't take it the wrong way or get me wrong...I lub the drama
And in staying on topic; Good luck to ISS.
t'was just a little self irony ;)
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Shittake
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 21/11/2005 22:23:26
/sarcasm on
Well it must be ISS' fault because BoB never does anything wrong, they are uber, the rest of us suck. If they say it's ISS' fault then it absolutely must be./sarcasm off
Count, not to sound unsympathetic, but when you deal with BoB you will eventually get burned. I would not trust BoB as an organization as far as I could throw them (some of their pilots are honorable though).
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
Count, not to sound unsympathetic, but when you deal with BoB you will eventually get burned. I would not trust BoB as an organization as far as I could throw them (some of their pilots are honorable though).
I wouldn't go so far. They at least gave us three days to get out, which is three days more than they could have done. If they'd seriously been out for their own gain, they could have just swiped all of our assets and left us to cry.
The agreement, while it lasted, was profitable for both sides. If BoB feel that the cost in terms of alt spies getting into their space, is too high a price to pay, then that is their prerogative.
We remain open to discussion with all other alliances in EVE, which have firmly established claims on territory. (For obvious reasons, we don't particularly care to make agreements in contested space, unless we can make an agreement with all of the sides contesting it.)
Should BoB at some later date reverse their decision, I'm sure we would be willing to move back into their areas. There's always more moons to mine than any one alliance can make use of themselves. So far as ISS is concerned we part on, if not actually friendly, at least benevolently neutral terms.
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Jherek Cornelian
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
We notified ISS of pilots that were quite obviouslys pies
mmmmmmmm pies
/me welcomes ISS with open arms
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Adam Weishaupt
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666
its a ******* game, leave your legal bull**** out of game plz ?
Don't hate on people who take the corp/legal aspects seriously...that's part of what makes EVE so good. Instead of every little conflict being "OMG u sux, illiteracy 4tw!!!!11", in EVE, things are more nuanced, more complex, more civilized...
...and then we go blow each other to pieces anyway. 
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.11.21 22:59:00 -
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I like pie :)
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.21 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jherek Cornelian
mmmmmmmm pies
I feel violated 
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Linh Ywang
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Posted - 2005.11.21 23:42:00 -
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So what is the stance towards bob now ? -10 ? 
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.11.21 23:45:00 -
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 Dian i think the less u say about violated the better
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.11.21 23:55:00 -
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are people really moaning about this announcement?
tbh, thats one of the few announcements here which are a) interesting b) make sense c) dont made by an alt
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Angelhunter
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Posted - 2005.11.22 00:09:00 -
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Good for you ISS, you don't need to be a BoB (and lackeys) meatshield anyway.
As far as breaking deals go, BoB has no room to talk, game history shows many incidents.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.11.22 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
are people really moaning about this announcement?
tbh, thats one of the few announcements here which are a) interesting b) make sense c) dont made by an alt
d) is about cakes invading an alliance
want me to make you a sig Nafri ?  I owe you that I guess
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WeLoveYouLongTime
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Posted - 2005.11.22 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"So are you saying that they dont care if bob attack the ISS Marginis or are you saing that if they do then shareholders from other major alliances will deal with bob for them?"
It sounds like the latter, and to be honest feels a bit like a blunder. Don't think there was ill sentiment about the way contract was ended, neither would that be a reason to go after ISS or the things they run. But rattling sabers to the tune of "nah nah we have friends so no one can harm us" may have exactly opposite effect ... since it's bordering on a challenge and these sometimes get accepted.
Yeh I agree it did sound threatening and thats not really a smart thing to do as relations with any factions in EVE can change overnight. I wish all the best to ISS and thier outpost but feel they could try to handle inter-factional relations a little better instead of trying to play the 'we have dangerous friends who have shares in our outpost' type of card.
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Blacklight
...and you think we couldn't square that away first?
For all I know, some of those shareholders are IN BoB. Besides, it wouldn't be a lot of use to anyone other than ISS, it's purely a trade hub. Owned by a regional-claiming alliance, it's not going to function as much of a trade hub, is it?
Baldour, you're joking right? An Outpost is of immense use to any faction (Do you think Oberon would have left SA and made a deal with G if G didnt have thier outpost?)
The ISS Marginis is in a part of eve near all the eastern factions. It has only 3 moons which is excellent for maintaining pos defense and soverienty, and lastly it has an ice belt in system.
I don't know about you but dont play down its value, for a roaming pvp faction the ISS Marginis is a friggin 5 star hotel with complementary bathrobes and satalite tv.
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