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ElweSingollo	Posted - 2005.11.24 00:00:00 - [181] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Nuala Reece Breach of contract is a pretty serious thing in diplomacy and not the kind of thing that goes unnoticed or is easily forgotten Shooting a pilot of an Alliance that gives you permission to do what you will in there space also is not a thing that goes un-noticed. Ever heard of 'Gross Misconduct', it's written into most standard employment contracts, infact contracts of pretty much any type, and leads to IMMEDIATE dismissal. Shooting a BoB pilot in BoB claimed space, pretty much counts as gross misconduct. Any alliance that can't control it's pilots, is not the type of Alliance that BoB wants in its space. I find it pretty surprising that Molle didn't give the order to immediatley roast any unluckey ISS pilot in PB after the incident. Us foot soldiers were told NOT to fire on ISS until the date ISS were given to remove themselves and their effects, and no one did, because BoB pilots can actually follow rules that are set out. Not to mention the army of alts that ISS houses who's main's are in Alliance with polar views to our. Ummm so can someone explain to me as there seems to be two answers from BOB in regards to this issue WTF have you kicked them for. A)You say that the Alliance are in the equivalent of Gross Misconduct and that is why they were kicked not taking into account the 4 week agreement which was in place for this and other eventualities the being even after they "dealt" with the person involved and as such could have been said to have dealt with it. B)We think ISS is full of Alts so we used this as our excuse to kick them and invalidate our agreement. From all appearances it looks the latter tbh. P.S. how many alts do BOB keep in various other alliances (including no doubt ISS) with a view to intel gathering?
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.11.24 00:09:00 - [182] Originally by: ElweSingollo Ummm so can someone explain to me as there seems to be two answers from BOB in regards to this issue WTF have you kicked them for. A)You say that the Alliance are in the equivalent of Gross Misconduct and that is why they were kicked not taking into account the 4 week agreement which was in place for this and other eventualities the being even after they "dealt" with the person involved and as such could have been said to have dealt with it. B)We think ISS is full of Alts so we used this as our excuse to kick them and invalidate our agreement. From all appearances it looks the latter tbh. Reading > . From the first page no less: Originally by:* DB Preacher A bunch of nasty people then took advantage of ISS by using alts to haul stuff into Delve, using ISS to watch our shared channels, abusing friendly corps in local and then, finally, attacking friendly corps. Originally by: ElweSingollo P.S. how many alts do BOB keep in various other alliances (including no doubt ISS) with a view to intel gathering? 1,731. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
ElweSingollo	Posted - 2005.11.24 00:24:00 - [183] Edited by: ElweSingollo on 24/11/2005 00:25:47 Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: ElweSingollo Ummm so can someone explain to me as there seems to be two answers from BOB in regards to this issue WTF have you kicked them for. A)You say that the Alliance are in the equivalent of Gross Misconduct and that is why they were kicked not taking into account the 4 week agreement which was in place for this and other eventualities the being even after they "dealt" with the person involved and as such could have been said to have dealt with it. B)We think ISS is full of Alts so we used this as our excuse to kick them and invalidate our agreement. From all appearances it looks the latter tbh. Reading > . From the first page no less: Originally by:* DB Preacher A bunch of nasty people then took advantage of ISS by using alts to haul stuff into Delve, using ISS to watch our shared channels, abusing friendly corps in local and then, finally, attacking friendly corps. Originally by: ElweSingollo P.S. how many alts do BOB keep in various other alliances (including no doubt ISS) with a view to intel gathering? 1,731. dbp My point Preacher was merely that dependant on who in BOB is doing the talking and who they are replying to it would appear that one excuse is used or the other or indeed both... so either you guys don't know yourselves, you don't care yourselves, or the full extent of the reasons weren't given to ISS and you were looking to renege on an agreement anyway. But I guess we will never know what your "real" reasons were since a straight question will not get answered just a sacrastic comment in reply, but it is hard going reading something that even from your own guys seems to go like a pinball between those that say one thing and those that say another .
DeClair	Posted - 2005.11.24 00:33:00 - [184] money rules eve ? i really think so. eve have changed with the new ships and will change with the capital ships comming soon. for example if you have the money to buy some motherships/titans when they come into game, no alliance will have a chance to stop the alliance which can buy as much of that ships as they want. you must only have or hire the pilots to fly them and you can claim every system/area you want in eve. the eve world is changing and will change more. money and the possession of such ships will be more important than fighting skills and large blobs. maybe they do it because the large blobs bring down clusters :-) then in this times iss or other rich alliances will be unstopable for normal pvp alliances which dont have so much money and they will rule with money (motherships, titans, mercs) the eve world order. - its only my opinion -
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.11.24 00:53:00 - [185] Originally by: DeClair Edited by: DeClair on 24/11/2005 00:42:26 Edited by: DeClair on 24/11/2005 00:36:24 money rules eve ? i really think so. eve have changed with the new ships and will change with the capital ships comming soon. for example if you have the money to buy some motherships/titans when they come into game, no alliance will have a chance to stop the alliance which can buy as much of that ships as they want. you must only have or hire the pilots to fly them and you can claim every system/area you want in eve. the eve world is changing and will change more. money and the possession of such ships will be more important than fighting skills and large blobs. maybe they do it because the large blobs bring down clusters :-) then in this times iss or other rich alliances will be unstopable for normal pvp alliances which dont have so much money and they will rule with money (motherships, titans, mercs) the eve world order. maybe bob sees this coming and tries to stop this seed. look in reallife at the tribes or indians they are better fighters, but they have no chance to fight with knifes and bows against rifles, tanks and airforces. - its only my opinion - Erm, BOB probably have as much if not more money than the ISS Originally by: Avon I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2005.11.24 01:10:00 - [186] Originally by: Spaja Saist Everyone knows BOB is full of egomaniacal sociopaths. My sig deigns to disagree
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.24 01:48:00 - [187] "My point Preacher was merely that dependant on who in BOB is doing the talking and who they are replying to it would appear that one excuse is used or the other or indeed both... so either you guys don't know yourselves, you don't care yourselves, or the full extent of the reasons weren't given to ISS and you were looking to renege on an agreement anyway." This was also addressed on the first page of this thread: "Since when do the rank and file need to know the most intimate details of ever agreement? They don't. Too many people knowing too much leads to too many cooks. That's not how we operate." DB already said it, but seriously reading > *
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.11.24 02:03:00 - [188] Well Count hasn't convo'd me so I presume this thread was basically all hot air and a PR stunt because clearly ISS's leadership aren't really interested in our motivations. I think we can kill this now to be honest before the fanbois make their heads explode out of teenage excitement. Eve Blacklight Style
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.11.24 02:04:00 - [189] Hiliarity. The fact is that BoB has no reason to uphold any contracts or agreements once they become unfavourable. Why? There is no-one bigger to police them, they lose nothing by losing face, they don't rely on reputation to survive. What remains is ethics, basically. If BoB is upholding a contract, it's either because it profits them, or because someone would feel bad about terminating it. Now ask yourself. Is BoB's brass going to care, at all? There are some fine people in BoB, and some are probably high-ranking there (I am not intimately familiar with BoB's leading figures, I don't know them personally, nor do I feel the need to) that are decent blokes. But BoB has been relatively unchallenged for too long. I get the feeling that many people that seem to be behind formulating the policies in BoB have long since lost touch with the reality that is normally accepted by the playerbase. (COUGHARIDIACOUGH) --- God-King of Genitalia
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.11.24 02:24:00 - [190] Got a cold m8 ? Let me get you some medicine then. Frst will dispense it if you don't mind Anyways, its all m00ot, we dont actively dislike ISS, they prolly dont actively dislike us in general, it's all good. We just dont want em in our space due to some stuff that is generally none of anyones buisiness unless they agree with us, in which case it's irrelevant wether it's any of their buisiness. Time to end a mildy entertaining yet strangely content lacking thread. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !

Blade Gunner	Posted - 2005.11.24 03:07:00 - [191] As a designated diplomat for VC I am intrigued by the outline issues of this thread. Who was the VC pilot ? (We have never held any mutual agreement of a formal or informal kind with ISS). Were VC contacted by either party to investigate this matter? Even if we had not confirmed or denied such an allegation it would have presented a solid foundation for either party in this issue by what was or was not said !! Without information it is not possible to make an contributary statement in this matter but it must surely raise issues for both parties in present and past contracts. To straight talk is free, smack talk can be very expensive. the choice is of course yours .
Berneh	Posted - 2005.11.24 03:09:00 - [192] Is this thread still going ? LOL Count made a post explaining the standing situation with iss and bob and then everyone starts going mental lol. your all funny c\/nts you make me laugh, especially the OMG ITS A BOB THREAD LETS GANK IT people you know who who you are Bern
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.11.24 03:09:00 - [193] Edited by: Kyguard on 24/11/2005 03:09:35 Nvm, the pure irony of this last page prevents me from posting. -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Kunming	Posted - 2005.11.24 03:10:00 - [194] This is not a matter I could or should comment on, so I wont.. but a lil advise to BoB would be: dont do it like FA back in the day, and try to save the PR face, we all know you'r playing the evil empire trying to take over the universe and its all fine like that, everything else would delute the spirit. Nothing against FA really, but most ppl knew about their shady dealings and when it became public they tried to play the good guy and justify everything. In the end it sadly made them look bad. Just stand up to what you'r doing (its a game after all); you dont want ISS in your space, you have the power to enforce that desicion, case closed. Seriously whats this with all the gross miscunduct mumbo jumbo.. Website Killboard
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.11.24 03:19:00 - [195] Originally by: Rod Blaine Got a cold m8 ? Let me get you some medicine then. Frst will dispense it if you don't mind Anyways, its all m00ot, we dont actively dislike ISS, they prolly dont actively dislike us in general, it's all good. We just dont want em in our space due to some stuff that is generally none of anyones buisiness unless they agree with us, in which case it's irrelevant wether it's any of their buisiness. Time to end a mildy entertaining yet strangely content lacking thread. Yeah. What is there to actively dislike? You can't actively dislike someone for their debilitating faults, that's just cruel, innit? --- God-King of Genitalia
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2005.11.24 03:22:00 - [196] and the moral of this story is don't get into agreements with people who can't be trusted
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.11.24 03:28:00 - [197] Originally by: Berrik Radhok and the moral of this story is don't get into agreements with people who can't be trusted You shouldn't talk about ISS like that, they're nice guys. Eve Blacklight Style
David Corbett	Posted - 2005.11.24 03:33:00 - [198] Edited by: David Corbett on 24/11/2005 03:32:53 nvm.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.11.24 04:15:00 - [199] Originally by: Blacklight Well Count hasn't convo'd me so I presume this thread was basically all hot air and a PR stunt because clearly ISS's leadership aren't really interested in our motivations. We were expressly told not to bother. Sirmolle wrote it somewhere a couple of pages up: "Talk to my tachyons. This case is closed."
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2005.11.24 04:39:00 - [200] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Berrik Radhok and the moral of this story is don't get into agreements with people who can't be trusted You shouldn't talk about ISS like that, they're nice guys. ISS are fine in my book, I meant you guys. You're the ones who broke an agreement after all.

Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.11.24 08:48:00 - [201] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Berrik Radhok and the moral of this story is don't get into agreements with people who can't be trusted You shouldn't talk about ISS like that, they're nice guys. ISS are fine in my book, I meant you guys. You're the ones who broke an agreement after all. Pretty sure it was ISS shooting at BoB...not the other way around. ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
Dracorimus	Posted - 2005.11.24 08:56:00 - [202] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: Berrik Radhok Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Berrik Radhok and the moral of this story is don't get into agreements with people who can't be trusted You shouldn't talk about ISS like that, they're nice guys. ISS are fine in my book, I meant you guys. You're the ones who broke an agreement after all. Errr, yeah, we fly in ISS space, and shoot them dont ya know ? - For more than a single foe to attempt to fight the Reikoku at once is an act of supreme folley.
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.24 10:04:00 - [203] "Hi there. We'd like to open a coffee shop in your high security facility!" 'Oh yeah?' "We'd make it worth your while." 'Oh yeah?' "...but we need you to agree that if doesn't all work out you'll give us 4 weeks to get our stuff out." 'Oh, yeah.' ... "Excuse me, but I have just heard that you are kicking us out, and we only have 3 days" 'Oh. Yeah' "Why? Just because our employees were using their restricted access for a bit of smuggling, aiding your competitors and killing a few of your staff? You should give us the 4 weeks we agreed on!" 'Oh yeah?!?! ' ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Alex Tremayne	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:21:00 - [204] I'm member of ISS. I believe in what we as an alliance are trying to do. However. I don't blame BoB for kicking us out. It was going to happen sooner or later, our alliance security is shockingly poor, so far as I'm aware there are no restrictions on member corps hiring new members, which means literally anyone can join if they can ingratiate themselves with one of our CEOs. And they do. Just before we get war decced. And just after the war starts. Every time. Hopefully things will change because of this incident.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:24:00 - [205] Originally by: Dracorimus Errr, yeah, we fly in ISS space, and shoot them dont ya know ? Oh you had to bring that one up . Respect to BoB, they sorted their rogue pilots at the time, showing a strong level of discipline in their ranks. Screenshots
The Hooch	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:53:00 - [206] Originally by: Blacklight Well Count hasn't convo'd me so I presume this thread was basically all hot air and a PR stunt because clearly ISS's leadership aren't really interested in our motivations. I think we can kill this now to be honest before the fanbois make their heads explode out of teenage excitement. Fanboi here, Ok, so the previous comments as to BoB's motivations are true, false, or total crap? Or does DB speak without thinking and well? Cheers Hooch, military and political guru, peacenik, Flame Baiter, BoB watcher, Fanboi, *****um, Thread Troll, Forum Warrior, Mister Star Trek, Captain Obvious and all'round loveable guy. Peace
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:56:00 - [207] Hi, Go away Hooch. Thanks, dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Jonkai	Posted - 2005.11.24 14:09:00 - [208] Personally I wouldn't have given them 3 days And I truly hope someone destroys their outpost :)
Shariona	Posted - 2005.11.24 14:20:00 - [209] Edited by: Shariona on 24/11/2005 14:24:14 So next question is: What will it take to destroy an Outpost When it is clear that ISS paid a pirate alliance to enter there space, i will advise the Celest leadership to set the standings for ISS at -10. When you play with fire, you.... Off topic: WTB DP Preacher action figure to complet my set GOD is busy Can i help you?
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.11.24 14:22:00 - [210] Quote: pirate alliance \o/ Piracy !!!!! Kiiiiiiiiiillllllll!!! Celes is back on track ? _______________________________________________ Power to the players !



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