The best way to fix a personal lack of wh pvp would be to join a corp that nobody knows and that does not post its kills. Everyone will think 'oh never heard of them and they have a lousy killboard, they are no threat'.

True, most people will never fight if they can help it. But there are also a lot who check killboards and corp stats before engaging. I do it too

It is C4-C6 which have less action.

Bait Orca....conflict driver!

Why do you think TL split and half of them moved to a C2 and the rest of TL in C5 space is still breaking up?

Maybe someone commented in the 16 pages somewhere, but just to this point, the folks that left TL, KAIRS and CLANN in particular, had always lived in C2's. And we always had fun there, and continue to do so. With Odyssey it seems that activity levels have jumped up with much more HS diving. We catch a lot of shite for being "lowly" C2 guys but we are there by choice, not because we couldn't succeed in a C5/C6. Yeah we do a lot of ganking, but we also get a fair share of actual PVP. Both are fun though. People need to live in the class WH with the static(s) that suit their play style. Makes for fun times and I don't know about anyone else, but if Eve wasn't fun, I would either make a change or quit altogether...

I think it's hilarious. C5/6 guys' ....."wh pew is dead"......lower classes....."um no its not.".....C5/6 guys....."ewww...lower class scrubs....quick get the bug spray!"....ok ok....really there's not that much that's been said on the matter in this thread but I've been called "nothing but a carebear" by C5 guys, some of whom, I might add, I out kill. And it's just because I live in lower class w-space. Hilarity!

Mr. Kidd here....bearing it up in C2 space.

Ultimately, what you C5/6 guys are looking for are large fleet battles so everyone can have fun. Nothing wrong with that. Problem is, you live in the least populated areas of w-space.....see the problem? You might consider moving to null or losec if you really want to fight....with caps. Otherwise, swallow your pride and move into lower end space. Down here we get pew almost daily and most of it comes right to us when people are looking for routes to hs.

As to a specific conflict driver for w-space, not sure w-space needs the losec/nullsec model.

Things to fight for (reasons),

1. WH gas.

2. Sleepers stuff.

3. Great PI.

4. Great mining opportunity.

If a large entity like TL can't defend themselves then what could smaller groups do?

more statics (dual wspace statics in C4s?) and more wandering/random connections would be great

I wouldn't mind dual statics in some C5's.....

fixed

Hi all,

Okay I overflow this 16 pages fast.
I habe to say, we live in a C3, we have more random connection than before.
Most time other C3 , 0.0, LS, and C5 Connection.

What i also can say is, most players like LS , HS, or 0.0 More then W-Space, for the simply fact you get there more instant action , and instant PVP, then in W-Space.
We a german speaking Corp and we try to recrute some Players, but big part of them feel lost in W-space.
For WH system you need player how are motivted to live in there, and they have to be Online more then a 2two hour per day.
And well they have to be high self organized players.

So what i can say , after speaking with them only 5-10% of about 20 people like to be in W-Space.

Other like to take a look on it but not realy interested in it.

They oversee the potential of an WH. If you have a C3 with Static LS, you can also farm it.
If there is nothing, colaps it.
If you have 0.0 Space, you can have nice PVP fights.
Like i said.... you need player they like to do this.

Greatings from Austria

Time zones come into play as well. Weekends seem to lead to more PVP as the US players can play during the day when the Euros are active. The Russians seem to be very active although they are mostly PVE'ers. If you can get in quickly enough, you can at least kill a few before they POS up.

As stated before, it is easier to get PVP in C1-C3 with a HS static. Day trippers/WH divers can help add some excitement to your playing time. I don't think most of the PVP driver conversation in this thread is directed at those WH. It is C4-C6 which have less action.



**off topic**
Props to No Holds Barred for trying to fight last night. I think you were out of time zone but at least you tried something. Not much you could have done with your numbers at the time. Hopefully on the weekend we can roll through and shoot each other when numbers get a bit closer for each side!!??

Asking for a conflict driver in EVE is like asking for a conflict driver in Halo. Fights are the point of the game. In the face of pathetically anemic PvE, fights are the only reason to play. Everything else is just a justification for fights. A conflict driver suggests that given enough resources to go around, everyone would just sit there being happy. That doesn't sound like much fun to me.

What could CCP possibly put in a wormhole that would entice people to fight more? There are only two things in EVE; isk and property. Everything but territory can be bought with isk, and there's no lack of isk in wspace. Property is there for the taking. There are lots of empty wormholes.

The real issue at hand is risk aversion. People like to win. If they didn't care about winning, if money and killboards didn't matter, you'd jump 5 vs 40 in the hopes of taking down one or two guys before you assplode. I don't know how you fix that. You probably don't. It's just how things are.

tl;dr - if you need a reason to fight in this game, you're doing it wrong.