You do realize all the defendant has to do is leave a pod in the ff next to the sma and cha's. The instant the tower dies, right click unanchor the mods as fast as you can and you have just guaranteed the other guy gets absolutely zero loot. Park in a brick tanked bs or something and you will likely live long enough to self nuke an entire tower.

Why people seem to forget about this and cry for mechanic changes is beyond me.

Yes people can do this and some will but if you can't sd in shields you can't mitigate your losses somewhat. You only can spite your enemy and if you have to lose everything i think more people would choose to lose everything goin down swinging.

Well you've basically just said you don't want anything to do with all of WH space. Can you name a single well-known entity who has faced eviction and not batphoned? (The only one I can think of is Firebirds, yet for all I know they did in fact quietly reach out for assistance.)

Mechanics Changes: I'm sure that removing the ability to SD ships in a POS and SMA's booting ships would create a conflict driver to support evictions. No argument from me and I think this would probably not hurt anything.

This has probably been discussed before, but I have been lurking on the forums for a while and can't find any good discussions about it.

Currently, other than the reason of good fights, there isn't much motive to actually engage in pvp in WH space. If you run into a active gang or WH and they don't want to PVP, they just wait it out for a day till the connection drops, no biggie. In null if you don't fight you lose your territory +income. Eviction also recently got a shadow nerf with the SMA "working as inteded" bug. And even without that bug, eviction were really not worth the cost because the other corp would just self destruct their assets.

The only major pvp we find in wh space, is either personal vendettas evictions, loggofski traps, and fights that are actually orchestrated by both sides, which really sux as pvp in eve should be non consensual (most of the times at least). I really cringe when I see **** like yea let's fight but no more than 15 ppl and no capitals.

I really don't have that many ideas to fix this problem (if it is a problem anyways). One of them might be just making the self destruct not work inside pos shields might be a good start. That way at least evictions can be somewhat profitable, and maybe that way people have more incentive to actually pvp.

It just seems you have to fish really hard to find serious pvp in wh's these days (killing ventures and drakes don't count).

So please if you disagree with anything, or like to add something go ahead, refraining from you are noob comments and dome fights are cool.

You know what the biggest problem is with PVP in wspace.

EVERYBODY thinks they are the shite in their armor ships.
They brag about how much isk they just killed.
Or they brag about how they just had an awesome fight, and in many cases its just a GANK.
Large amount of "fights" in wspace are just ganks. They have always been ganks from the beginning. But suddenly it was OMG ELITE PVP. COME LOOK AT OUR GENTLEMENTLY ONE SIDED DUELS.


Very few people will just duke it out in shield ships. Heck, just the other day we were just dicking around in like 4 shield ships(being the only 4 people online) on a hole and suddenly Why So serious had to warp a 20 man armour fleet to their hole.

Then we were on a nullsec roam in a Osprey/Scythe fleet and the SUPER CAREBEARS in our static decided to cycle us out. They proceeded to cycle like complete chickenshites so they can carebear. Meanwhile warping in their cowardly armour fleet to chest beat.

Even people in VoC resort to armor ships because when you are agaisnt a blob of overpowered tech 3s, your only choice is to do the same. Tech 3s desperately need nerfing because there is little alternative. The only other way to kill current tech 3 fleets with conventional fleets is to outblob them.

It's just lame, all you do is sit at zero and one side ends up losing their 40billion in pimped ships. The end, no need for strategy. Just keep warping in more ships at zero.


PVP in wspace is dead because all of you are the most risk averse, chest beating scrubs I have ever seen in this game. TEST has more skilled and true PVP pilots in Rifters than every single alliance combined in wspace.

a bit ironic from the team leading the largest failed wormhole eviction in history....

This coming from the entity that would only ever roll their chain to avoid those large armor fights, the countless blue balls VOC gives to the rest of WH space. Irony at its finest Messoroz.

This coming from the entity that would only ever roll their chain to avoid those large armor fights, the countless blue balls VOC gives to the rest of WH space. Irony at its finest Messoroz.

Large armor fights are the most lamest shite in the world. Did my post did not convey that feeling?

We often do not have enough people to even begin to counter some of the ridiculous armor fleets being formed up agaisnt. A majority of the time most of us are all dicking around having fun in different parts of nullsec. But suddenly its our fault for not wanting to PVP agaisnt some ridiculous no skilled blob?

A blob we have to waste a hour of our time forming up and strategizing? Some people are just sick of the BS. Roaming and pewing is so much more fun than stroking ones **** on a wormhole.


And my post attacks everyone. VoC and everyone alike. I couldn't careless.

What about large shield fights? I like those.

What about large shield fights? I like those.

random goon wanders into wormhole subforum *gasps*

Probably PVPs more than all you scrubs.

You guys say you don't care about killboards but then what's the difference between them SDing inside a FF as opposed to them warping out ships 1 by 1 to your waiting blob?

I pvp in wormholes because I want to deprive others of their hard earned isk. I don't care if I kill their ship/pod or force them to self destruct because I close the hole behind them. Why do you?

Wormhole space needs to attract more people who are willing to fight to get to the top and stay there. We don't want people to get to the top and say "so it's just carrier ganks and arranged fight? F*** this i'm moving to a C2 to gank drakes coming in from HS".

if the answer is just for fun, then that is the root of the problem

CCP could rework PI for wormholes; make it more profitable, smaller, but also force players to dump to the Poco every day. Then make it so when you reinforce a POCO it drops its accumulated loot, this would give smaller gangs something to do if enemies pos up; give players incentive to be in space in haulers and what not, which would also help attract roaming gangs.

This would lure people in to WH space by making non cap escalatable systems more valuable, and also give pvpers something to do.

No one wants to deal with your terrible blobby t3 fleets either so what is your point?