I hate to say it, but wormholes look a helluva lot like nullsec. You have c1-4 holes that are for the most part worthless, similar to losec and a lot of nullsec. You then have c5-6 holes that are like the lower end of the truesec spectrum of null systems. This is especially true from a defensive and monetary standpoint when you consider the deadend null systems that have low truesec, have been fully upgraded and cyno jammed so that the capital ships in them can gorge themselves on pve content in relative safety.

i see a super blob vs super blob gank in nullsec. grats? i guess.
not related to WHs in the slightest.

This is where all the superbads complain they don't have enough pew and make suggestions to change a perfectly acceptable and fun part of space into blobfests. Apparently, fun should have nothing to do with pvp....and pvp should require +30 man fleets to be successful.

no reason to spew your garbage on the forums.

Ohh the irony.

i see a super blob vs super blob gank in nullsec. grats? i guess.
not related to WHs in the slightest.

Confirming that killing supers in null drives conflict in wormhole space.

Actually...I just remembered.

All the isk from our roams goes to the corp.


With the corp isk at one point we supplied hundreds of ships to corp members for free and fully fitted. To go pew in wspace and null.

So yes, killing supers in null drives conflict in wspace.


Them free ships gotta be paid for somehow!


I think at one point(when we cared), we were raking in so much isk off the modules of dead scrubs in null, we could buy an armour fleet fives times over a week.

Not to mention you farm in WH space and play ONLY in low and null so how are you any better then all the null WH farm corps? Just because you bear in WH space doesn't make you at all relevant to WH space.

The days the VOC are relevant in WH's are gone so blue ball WH some more and take your posting over to Kugu.

Not to mention you farm in WH space and play ONLY in low and null so how are you any better then all the null WH farm corps? Just because you bear in WH space doesn't make you at all relevant to WH space.

The days the VOC are relevant in WH's are gone so blue ball WH some more and take your posting over to Kugu.

Grath, is that you?

LOL no but for the other kids here is Grath that VOC upset https://soundcloud.com/jwstew007/mumble-07-07-21-15-49-mumble that guy is super mad.

Wrong link LOL

HAHA i see the poster of that recording has edited it all out but that is the original link that i have in my browser paused with the Grath rage.

Actually...I just remembered.

All the isk from our roams goes to the corp.


With the corp isk at one point we supplied hundreds of ships to corp members for free and fully fitted. To go pew in wspace and null.

So yes, killing supers in null drives conflict in wspace.


Them free ships gotta be paid for somehow!


I think at one point(when we cared), we were raking in so much isk off the modules of dead scrubs in null, we could buy an armour fleet fives times over a week.

No really. The isk you get from your null sec roams came from killing null bears which doesn't effect wormholes and as you don't pvp exclusively in wormholes, you are not investing that isk in WH pvp.

I'm not saying looking for pvp in null is bad but it does little to create pvp opertunities in wormholes.

That makes no sense... What are you asking?

Also, there are plenty of pvp opertunities in HS. Don't feel bad, sometimes wormholes forget wardecs are a thing.

Huh?

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Maybe you misread my post? Give it a second read mate. There is no need for a quick reply either, give yourself some time to think first.

[quote=Quinn Corvez]Huh?


And if you keep crying about it so much eventually someone will deliver it to your front door, and you might not like it so much.

Mr kidd Please stop warping the topic to fit your warped biased view about wormhole space, you are even worse than fox news. Your hatred towards c5/c6 entities is just blinding you. I have said it personally more than 10 times, that I don't want WH space to be like null. I also said that we don't want to pvp stop being fun (no one really is arguing for the change of pvp mechanics), also mentioned more than 10 times. We do have the most fun form of pvp in wormhole space. All I said that maybe there should be in game mechanics to drive it. I also said multiple times that we do get plenty of pvp in wormhole space, but there is no reason not to want more.

So please stop this charade and if you hate c5/c6's entities just go kill them, no reason to spew your garbage on the forums.

And Mr kid sometimes the quality of the kills is more important than the quantity. I believe "gevlon" (a miner ganker with a blog), killed like 52b worth of minning in high sec solo in a given month. And it would really help your claim if we actually had your corps name, or maybe the gallante federation decided to venture in to wh space???

The above post is far more chill so it actually makes sense to respond to it.

What made you trigger is that you see conflict drivers the same as breaking W-space. I don't think anyone living in w-space wants it to change in any greater way and especially not to become more like k-space. Else odds are we would live there.

However, adding content, creating content does not equal that. And when a thread like this devolves into "c6's only wants blob" any chance of actually figuring out what could be improved, without changing the overall feel of WH, disapears.

While I get that the hunt in itself is brilliant and something which is quite rewarding in iteself (far more so than any where else in eve because of cloak-no-local) it does not change the fact the besides the hunt it tends to become arena pvp.

Whether there is a way to change this, without adding to "the blob, blue donought, chose what ever word you want" I don't know. But discussing it has merit - something which unreflected rage has completely made impossible in this thread, even to a degree where other threads are being jacked off through this thread a weird distaste for higher class wormhole dwellers.

More non-static wormholes would be brilliant. But is it a conflict driver in itself? Dunno.
Is there a way to motivate for invations without just adding more blobs? Dunno.

But through 14 pages no one ever tried to actually answer the question nor dare reflect on it without spewing bile.

First, I want more conflict drivers in w-space!

In w-space we don't have to fight for our pve. There is more than enough to farm for everyone, either in your home system, chain or alt corp. Also, there are enough systems for everyone. Evictions are usually for meta reasons, not profit or because the invader wants the system for their own.

In order for the existing content to be a conflict driver you either need fewer w-space systems, less anoms/sigs or more people in w-space.

I like the suggestion of a Class 7 wh with roaming C5/C6 wormholes and no moons. Ideally they have something which will be rare and in short supply. Maybe they could drop T2 BPC Capital guns, or T3 Frigate/BS BPC in addition to high value blue loot. That would be a sufficient conflict driver because everyone will want to acquire it, and they will always be vulnerable. In order for it not to be easy to control the C7, the mass of the wormholes could be similar to that of a C1.