I can say the same, crying because people won't fight your 30 man blobs that can't be matched.

Back on topic
It would be nice to have PVP drivers but to be honest it would be very difficult to 'force' people out to fight. Many WH corps will not fight when you attack their POS? What else is there that would have them come out? Trying to force people to fight will probably end up ruining WH more than helping.

thank you. finally someone who gets it.
if someone doesnt come out to defend their home, their POS and all their stuff, then theyre not going to come out and fight for anything else either.

I'm trying to figure out what CCP could add to induce some more PVP. Some peeps are not going to fight no matter what you do. But for the others, what might be added?

I find it kind of funny seeing people say things like "CCP should add something to promote pvp in wormholes." You are the person who should be promoting pvp in wormholes. Go out and get kills.

I still don't understand which other conflict drivers are necessary, there are so many wormholes, so much space and so little people that there simply isn't anything worth fighting over. If anything, I believe the mechanics should be slightly altered to promote conflict or some new tools could be looked at, two extreme examples that I ran across and were looking attractive to a degree:
- Example: (you can only warp to a wormhole within 7.5km) meaning that you'd always have to paddle the last 2000m on your own. It's not a huge change for most ships, but if you intend to get your freighter out, you better make sure you can defend it for those 30 seconds - or have someone bumping it closer.
- Example: (somewhere on failheap challenge - I believe - was a high-quality-suggestion (I'm not mocking it, I was fascinated positively) of anomalies with high value taking place in 'warp bubbles', so 100s of kilometers (as I understood) of non-warpable space, with juicy stuff in the middle and people landing on the edges, and ofc LeHolyMotherOfAsteroids in the direct middle) No matter how you look at it, a warp disruption field with luxurious pve in the middle would be the ultimate pvp-magnet. As people sitting inside would have no means to escape by just pressing warp, and agressors just being unable to warp in their big baddieships to 0, it would do a lot to fix a lack of pvp-oppurtunities. I actually think the original author had a rather different concept than I'm trying to patch together, but the direction - I hope - survived.

Just whatever it is, controlling w-space should always imply that you are the somehow superior force regarding pvp in your location, and that you have better intel/logistics. Tagging it is senseless, and any kind of SOV is just stupid. You don't control it because the wormhole is tagged with your name, you control it because you deny other people access over and over.

Tech-3-rebalance would go a long way aswell, 'best' ships are not good for pvp :p

Sov was used only as example

Also, I thought VOC didn't focus on w-space anymore? So, what's the deal?

I guess I had always looked at wormholes as conflict drivers themselves.

> Once properly scanned down, quick projection of force all over New Eden.
> Sleepers that allow opportunities for escalation/ganking (technically PVP/Conflict)
> A form of SOV (We created this by inhabiting and settling in wormholes)
> Wormhole Effects - Making some wormholes more desirable (Although, again I think that the "desirable" portion comes from us striving to inhabit various types of wormholes with certain effects, when I feel CCP intended to just throw a wrench in roaming PVP in wormholes)
> Random K162's that can come from anywhere (So a roaming gang in null/low enters a system looking for a fight, and all the sudden - :surprise: wormhole gang slaughters them. This could also apply to random fights in w-space, however as has been stated before, we kinda all kneejerk armor gangs now and the driver is ~slightly~ broken...)

CCP didn't initially intend for players to permanently live in wormholes. Wormholes were designed as content for explorers and were conflict drivers by design. We, the players, broke some of these drivers, and/or refuse to use some of the existing ones. CCP designs content and the players use it, and sometimes we manipulate what was designed and turn it into something else. In this case, we created a wormhole community. Looking at what we've done to the existing drivers/content, what effects do you think future changes and our response to the changes will do to our community? Is it worth it? Will it actually change things?

Many think that some small changes may make things better, some say that those changes won't change human nature or a player's response to a redesign of the mechanics. I think the community should just use the content that was designed, since it does work for those that actually capitalize on all the drivers. If you sincerely don't think that conflict drivers exist in wormholes, you haven't been paying attention.

so, this is where all the super bads talk about important stuff

This is where all the superbads complain they don't have enough pew and make suggestions to change a perfectly acceptable and fun part of space into blobfests. Apparently, fun should have nothing to do with pvp....and pvp should require +30 man fleets to be successful.

so, this is where all the super bads talk about important stuff

The bookmark can was a big conflict driver.

It seems that the post ran its steam, and we got at least some discussion out of it, I guess only the trolls have more to add.

Been a very nice discussion, and I least hope now it got an attention of 1 poor dev that has to read all of this.

We jumped out of our wormhole and tackled some supers in a blob of hictors

http://broskinorth.derzorn.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=29272

HOWS THAT FOR CONFLICT DRIVER?

No major PVP driver in WH space

We jumped out of our wormhole and tackled some supers in a blob of hictors
http://broskinorth.derzorn.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=29272
HOWS THAT FOR CONFLICT DRIVER?