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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:22:00 -
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There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00.
We cant even download the patch yet.
Why didnt they just rush the patch like usual and end up with about 15hours of downtime ?
why set aside 24 hours when everyone knows the servers going to go **** up as soon as 18k people log on at once, and thats AFTER the server giving us the patch goes **** up .
Prove me wrong please.
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

MysticNZ
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:23:00 -
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Not even going to bother, go away.
Originally by: Nyphur I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: MysticNZ Not even going to bother, go away.
Nope, prove me wrong please
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:24:00 -
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CCP realise there has been problems downloading in the past, and i believe they're using another company to help them distribute the patch.
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Dax Symbiote
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:25:00 -
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You prove US wrong... assumption 4tl =/
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Leonidas Rex
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:25:00 -
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Jesus folks, stop complaining...
The game will be patched when they are ready, would you prefer a game with bugs on time, or a game with less bugs slightly behind schedule?
And you ask why you cant download the patch? Beacuse they are still fixing the last minute changes to the patch, if you would download the patch ahead of time you would get the patch without the last minute changes and you would STILL have to download it again when it has reached the final state.
Just be patient folks, it will be ready once its ready.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:26:00 -
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If its a finished product when we are able to download it , and there are no server restars needed and no massive petitions, then i'm with you old bean.
But that wont happen
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

xiphia
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:26:00 -
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Why do people keep asking the same questions all the time? 
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BBQ
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:27:00 -
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Well the server is up, we cannot login though as the patch is not available.
Personally it looks like CCP are checking that the servers are correct, the database is working and that it will be ok for us to use when they release the patch and allow people to login.
I would be have been worried if the server was still down but its up & the dev's are testing it. << Insert whitty sig here >>
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:27:00 -
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Told ya 
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:27:00 -
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If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:27:00 -
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Pushed back 4 hours. Looks like you were right :P
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Basileus
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:28:00 -
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As expected. I had put a skill on which required 4 days. Do you think you can manage, CCP??
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
Silence please , the adults are talking.
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

Pabs Sco
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:28:00 -
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4 hour slip read teh sticky :(
/me cries.....
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Finix Jaeger on 15/12/2005 18:29:20 *Edit*
proved wrong as I was typing... -------------------------
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Ly'sol If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
Silence please , the adults are talking.
Are all members of ISS idoits?
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TitusCrow
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:29:00 -
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the patch deployment is slipped back 4 hours to 24.00gmt aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dax Symbiote You prove US wrong... assumption 4tl =/
So i was right ?
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Ly'sol If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
Silence please , the adults are talking.
Are all members of ISS idoits?
My alliance has nothing to do with my views, just like your real parents obviously had a lot to do with your upbringing.
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |
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Right Eyeighty
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:33:00 -
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what ever... we all Eve-addicts who wanted to play the game right now... altho the reality isn't smooth sailing ----------------------------- And now a word from my sponsor
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Dax Symbiote
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Dax Symbiote You prove US wrong... assumption 4tl =/
So i was right ?
You assumed ... correctly it would seem. My hero 
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Marikaa
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh
So i was right ?
well done to you 
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Teedo
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Ly'sol
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Ly'sol If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
Silence please , the adults are talking.
Are all members of ISS idoits?
My alliance has nothing to do with my views, just like your real parents obviously had a lot to do with your upbringing.
This made no sense.
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:35:00 -
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Heh, even with 24hrs they can¦t get a patch loaded on time. See you at midnight for another instalment of guess the eta |

Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:35:00 -
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it meant to say hadnt had a lot to do with his upbringing but i'm not editing my post for a tard.
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Ly'sol If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
Silence please , the adults are talking.
Are all members of ISS idoits?
i'm starting to get that impression as well...
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:36:00 -
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Get a life boy =) it'll do you good
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Brannor McThife on 15/12/2005 18:37:40 I have to agree with the OP now...
15+ fixes to something that SHOULD have been ready straight off.
Honestly, for any major deployment, you backup the original at some point, rebuild it on a replica system, and test that...you don't take down your live one and test that many fixes on it.
I'd like to know why they didn't test this exact cycle on a test environment first. Bugs that the QA guys missed? Why not spend a whole week having them go over the replica build? Rather than taking down the Live one and hoping it'll work. Should have locked up Singularity, and copied Tranquility onto it and do what you're doing today on that...THEN, when you're happy, you do a deployment to LIVE...
Someone at CCP needs to go read a book on SDLC.
-G
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El test0
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:38:00 -
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Oh, this is most convenient!
I'm going to the theater to watch King Kong at 20:10 GMT, and the movie is almost 4 hours long. Means it fits my schedule perfectly.
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Perseus Nor
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:38:00 -
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It's like I want to tell my clients at work, "Do you want in now or do you want it right?"
Simple choice. :)
NEXT
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:39:00 -
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Well this thread is going down the drain...I do apologise if you felt i was insulting you directly, i was issueing a sweeping generalisation towards ISS because several of thier membership have posted in the simalar manner as you have.
And like it or not. You do reflect the alliance and you cannt wave that responsiblity by doing so. If you do not want to be associated with ISS while on these boards you need to turn that display off in your settings.
So since this thread is going down the drain fast as it was started to get flames....you should have the mods lock it....if not....IBTL
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Teedo
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh it meant to say hadnt had a lot to do with his upbringing but i'm not editing my post for a tard.
Originally by: Berneh My alliance has nothing to do with my views, just like your real parents obviously had a lot to do with your upbringing.
Putting these two statements together kinda tickles my funny bone. :D
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:40:00 -
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On the whole deployment thing... surely they have a failsafe time? i.e.:
If we have not got a stable build by 18H00 GMT on Thursday, we rollback the server and go back to testing the building on Singularity....
After all, they should have a full backup of Tranquility (as per one of the other threads) that they could restore onto Singularity to continue deployment testing on... yes?
-G
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: El test0 Oh, this is most convenient!
I'm going to the theater to watch King Kong at 20:10 GMT, and the movie is almost 4 hours long. Means it fits my schedule perfectly.
Oooh lemme know what that films like please.
And you should be back just in time for the "OMGWTFSORRY we are delaying TQ until 8am" post 
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

Buraken v2
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Brannor McThife Edited by: Brannor McThife on 15/12/2005 18:37:40 I have to agree with the OP now...
15+ fixes to something that SHOULD have been ready straight off.
Honestly, for any major deployment, you backup the original at some point, rebuild it on a replica system, and test that...you don't take down your live one and test that many fixes on it.
I'd like to know why they didn't test this exact cycle on a test environment first. Bugs that the QA guys missed? Why not spend a whole week having them go over the replica build? Rather than taking down the Live one and hoping it'll work. Should have locked up Singularity, and copied Tranquility onto it and do what you're doing today on that...THEN, when you're happy, you do a deployment to LIVE...
Someone at CCP needs to go read a book on SDLC.
-G
Are you trying to teach CCP how to do their job?  I'd love to play you're MMORPG, it would be the perfect game I'm sure =)
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Karrimdra
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:42:00 -
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I have a feeling they won't open the server completely anyways, they will open up clusters at a time to prevent a rushed 18k logon. prolly increase it 500-100, 2000, 3000 etc until its fully opened, like has been done previously with big patches. Anyways, you can dl the test patches as they get released if your that bothered, but remember to copy your eve incase it buggers up.
From nothing to something in just one corp! |

Teedo
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Brannor McThife On the whole deployment thing... surely they have a failsafe time? i.e.:
If we have not got a stable build by 18H00 GMT on Thursday, we rollback the server and go back to testing the building on Singularity....
After all, they should have a full backup of Tranquility (as per one of the other threads) that they could restore onto Singularity to continue deployment testing on... yes?
-G
I imagine if the actual update gets completely b0rked they have backups. Can't guarantee it, but I can't think of an MMO company that's screwed up that bad...
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Empyre
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:43:00 -
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out of boredom i manually patched my test directory up to 3795. i can select either tranq or sing server with that client and get a valid message back.
unfortunately it says the cluster size for tranq is (0) and sing (300)..both of which stay full.
someone find a cure for boredom!!
----- my playstyle is anti-pirate. what does this mean? it means you'll never catch me in a valuable ship and/or setup where it can be compromised. go on, trade your ammo for the scraps you'll get. |

Buraken v2
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: El test0 Oh, this is most convenient!
I'm going to the theater to watch King Kong at 20:10 GMT, and the movie is almost 4 hours long. Means it fits my schedule perfectly.
Oooh lemme know what that films like please.
And you should be back just in time for the "OMGWTFSORRY we are delaying TQ until 8am" post 
Stop a$$sing around in EVE GE and look at Out of Pod then.
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Zolofine
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:44:00 -
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Something always goes wrong when TQ needs to get patched... I have never known it any other way. Deadlines are never met, always extended and murphy obviously has a room rented at the CCP server location.
The best thing you can do on patch day is simply not even bother trying to play EVE for a day. In this case it was already a day till the deadline so i'd say, come back on friday or saturday and you will prolly save yourself a headache. |

Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol Well this thread is going down the drain...I do apologise if you felt i was insulting you directly, i was issueing a sweeping generalisation towards ISS because several of thier membership have posted in the simalar manner as you have.
And like it or not. You do reflect the alliance and you cannt wave that responsiblity by doing so. If you do not want to be associated with ISS while on these boards you need to turn that display off in your settings.
So since this thread is going down the drain fast as it was started to get flames....you should have the mods lock it....if not....IBTL
It isnt going down the pan (try reading my origional post again)
i said
"There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00."
It isnt , its been delayed
"We cant even download the patch yet."
We still cant.
Where did i go wrong exactly ?
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

Gauliene
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:45:00 -
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The fact that they haven't made the patch avaliable yet kinda makes me wonder if they are using it as a bottleneck to keep the servers from crapping out as 18k people try to logon at once.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:46:00 -
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Every patch, there are delays.
Every patch there are predictions of doom and ruination.
Somehow...Eve is still around, and still a terrific game. Be patient, wait for CCP to get it squared away (I think history is on their side here) and do "something else" for a little while.
Or get your blood pressure up because your life is crumbling when Eve is unavailable, I guess.
Garreck
Aku. Soku. Zan. |

Empyre
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Empyre on 15/12/2005 18:48:10
Originally by: Berneh It isnt going down the pan (try reading my origional post again)
i said
"There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00."
It isnt , its been delayed
"We cant even download the patch yet."
We still cant.
Where did i go wrong exactly ?
umm..so when/where did it say "you will definately be able to download the patch earlier than 20:00"? i miss a lot sometimes so it may have gone right past me..correct me if i'm wrong, though.
----- my playstyle is anti-pirate. what does this mean? it means you'll never catch me in a valuable ship and/or setup where it can be compromised. go on, trade your ammo for the scraps you'll get. |

Glass gril
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:48:00 -
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And to think, they said the community in Eve was "more mature than other MMOGS". Judging by this thread...all I can say is: what a joke. 
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Bartolinjo
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:49:00 -
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for me its like blablabla blabla blabla and at least blablablabla blubb
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imbru
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:49:00 -
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There are different servers we download the patch from than the line the game runs at.. So, it will take time for everybody to download the patch, but the servers will get a smooth phase to get up and running.
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Morkalum Takor
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00.
We cant even download the patch yet.
Why didnt they just rush the patch like usual and end up with about 15hours of downtime ?
why set aside 24 hours when everyone knows the servers going to go **** up as soon as 18k people log on at once, and thats AFTER the server giving us the patch goes **** up .
Prove me wrong please.
Probably because they are altering the patch at the very last minute from things they are finding out still have issues on the TQ server. They have been altering at the last minute for patches for quite a while.
Best not to pay attention to predicted times of when the server will be up. Just check your client log on screen every once in a while to see if the server is live and when the patch is available for download. It is the reason for setting long skills.
"There's more than one side to a story..."-Reporter for the InterCorp Courier Enterprises |

Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:52:00 -
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Advice to O.P.:
Scoot chair back
Stand up
Walk upstairs (out of mom's basement)
Walk down hall
Go out front door
Cringe for sake of being exposed to sunlight for the first time since you got EVE. ----------------------------------------------- MAKE THE MACROERS SCREAM |
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Garreck
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Glass gril And to think, they said the community in Eve was "more mature than other MMOGS". Judging by this thread...all I can say is: what a joke. 
Fortunately, about .01% of the Eve population so far has been represented in this thread.
Garreck
Aku. Soku. Zan. |

Jaderpop
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:52:00 -
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Heres one friggin word for everyone complaining about the patch or the down time or anything WHAAAAAAH Stop whining go do something productive like i dont know go arrange your sock drawer. CCP is doing what they can to get the game back to us better than it was before and its about time the whiners, you know who you are, to stand behind CCP and let them do what they do best.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre Edited by: Empyre on 15/12/2005 18:48:10
Originally by: Berneh It isnt going down the pan (try reading my origional post again)
i said
"There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00."
It isnt , its been delayed
"We cant even download the patch yet."
We still cant.
Where did i go wrong exactly ?
umm..so when/where did it say "you will definately be able to download the patch earlier than 20:00"? i miss a lot sometimes so it may have gone right past me..correct me if i'm wrong, though.
Originally by: kieron
2000 GMT Dec 15
There i'm afraid mate, and i didnt think they would let you log into a patched game without a patched client ?
Unless you know more than i do of course.
I proved myself right, this always happens on patchday, i just wanted to know the theory behind the 24hour downtime which hasent happened before , when all other patches have gone the same way (this one too btw)
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

Zolofine
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Glass gril And to think, they said the community in Eve was "more mature than other MMOGS". Judging by this thread...all I can say is: what a joke. 
Well all i can say in my defence is that for having just been back about a week since taken a year long break, it's been a pretty ****ty week full of disconnects, server issues... and now the longest patch day ever. So yeah, one does get annoyed if all the ingredients are in place ;-). |

Teedo
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Glass gril And to think, they said the community in Eve was "more mature than other MMOGS". Judging by this thread...all I can say is: what a joke. 
The fact that this game community has any maturity at all in it is rather unique. Have you seen the general message boards for some of those other games?
I've found (thus far) that the quality of people that play the game generally counterbalances the l33t and the angsty, angry people that one normally perceives in a PvP environment. I like it, which is why I'm playing it now. 
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Empyre
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:55:00 -
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this means that even WITH the delay, the servers will come back up an hour and a half before i get home from work! woohoo!
(finally, a pro for being american!)
----- my playstyle is anti-pirate. what does this mean? it means you'll never catch me in a valuable ship and/or setup where it can be compromised. go on, trade your ammo for the scraps you'll get. |

Zolofine
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jaderpop Heres one friggin word for everyone complaining about the patch or the down time or anything WHAAAAAAH Stop whining go do something productive like i dont know go arrange your sock drawer. CCP is doing what they can to get the game back to us better than it was before and its about time the whiners, you know who you are, to stand behind CCP and let them do what they do best.
DUDE ARGH...
If there weren't like atleast twice asmany people saying what you just said over and over and over, as there are people saying "WAAAAAAAA DOWNTIME BORED ACKACK NEED EVE" then FFS you might be less anoyying than them, but you aren't. Bleh stfu all of you ^^ (stress stress, madness) |

GoleanT'Ar
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Posted - 2005.12.15 18:56:00 -
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SFC listen to you lot! 
They cant release a client patch until ALL the bugs have been sorted out & it's COMPLETELY compatible with TQ.
The whole point of Singularity is to test out new stuff, right it has backups of all the data & should in THEORY work when TQ is patched. But how many of you actually do any programming.
THERE IS ALWAYS BUGS TO WORK OUT.
And with TQ being the scale it is, can u imagine if an incovenient bug was left in? I'd imagine pretty much 50k+ petitions in the inbox, so no wonder they wanna get it right first time. Hence put in long skill training.
Wait until the patch is online, active & most of all WORKING.
In the meantime, i'm gonna stare at the login screen. 
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: kieron
2000 GMT Dec 15
There i'm afraid mate, and i didnt think they would let you log into a patched game without a patched client ?
Unless you know more than i do of course.
I proved myself right, this always happens on patchday, i just wanted to know the theory behind the 24hour downtime which hasent happened before , when all other patches have gone the same way (this one too btw)
well break it down to more simple bits of info. CCP wants to make money. releasing content and doing it in the most efficient manner is key to making the most money with these things. to think they are sitting in rooms filled with cash screaming "muhahahahah, let's see how angry we can make our customers!!" is kind of..well...not-so-smart. (although it DOES seem to be Blizzards attitude)
Yes of course your right and thats what you said exactly in your reply to me.
Or did you ?
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

GoleanT'Ar
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: kieron
2000 GMT Dec 15
There i'm afraid mate, and i didnt think they would let you log into a patched game without a patched client ?
Unless you know more than i do of course.
I proved myself right, this always happens on patchday, i just wanted to know the theory behind the 24hour downtime which hasent happened before , when all other patches have gone the same way (this one too btw)
well break it down to more simple bits of info. CCP wants to make money. releasing content and doing it in the most efficient manner is key to making the most money with these things. to think they are sitting in rooms filled with cash screaming "muhahahahah, let's see how angry we can make our customers!!" is kind of..well...not-so-smart. (although it DOES seem to be Blizzards attitude)
Hmmm.... REAL in-game virus wipes out hundreds of noobs... Well.... I thought it was funny..
So much for Bug/Virus testing..

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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jaderpop
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Empyre Edited by: Empyre on 15/12/2005 18:48:10
Originally by: Berneh It isnt going down the pan (try reading my origional post again)
i said
"There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00."
It isnt , its been delayed
"We cant even download the patch yet."
We still cant.
Where did i go wrong exactly ?
umm..so when/where did it say "you will definately be able to download the patch earlier than 20:00"? i miss a lot sometimes so it may have gone right past me..correct me if i'm wrong, though.
Originally by: kieron
2000 GMT Dec 15
There i'm afraid mate, and i didnt think they would let you log into a patched game without a patched client ?
Unless you know more than i do of course.
I proved myself right, this always happens on patchday, i just wanted to know the theory behind the 24hour downtime which hasent happened before , when all other patches have gone the same way (this one too btw)
If memory serves correctly didnt exodus patch take like 24 hrs to be deployed? It might of been less time but just a point If Exdous took less time this patch has then that would mean since this patch is taking 28 hrs then this patch will be better than exdous.
No not at all, my point is that if ccp had done what they do every patchday and said "ok we will be down for 4 hours to apply a patch" we would have all said "ok no probs, 10 hours it is"
now they said "24hours ....oh now 28 hours and then we still have to wait for people to log on and crash the server"
so why not do it the old way ? there was no need at all for the 24hr DT
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BlasterX
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: BlasterX on 15/12/2005 19:06:04
Originally by: Perseus Nor It's like I want to tell my clients at work, "Do you want in now or do you want it right?"
Simple choice. :)
NEXT
If you said that to me, I would have sacked you for not meeting your targets.
VENT VENT VENT hurry up CCP, were all turning on each other!
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Jaderpop
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:05:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Zolofine
Originally by: Jaderpop Heres one friggin word for everyone complaining about the patch or the down time or anything WHAAAAAAH Stop whining go do something productive like i dont know go arrange your sock drawer. CCP is doing what they can to get the game back to us better than it was before and its about time the whiners, you know who you are, to stand behind CCP and let them do what they do best.
DUDE ARGH...
If there weren't like atleast twice asmany people saying what you just said over and over and over, as there are people saying "WAAAAAAAA DOWNTIME BORED ACKACK NEED EVE" then FFS you might be less anoyying than them, but you aren't. Bleh stfu all of you ^^ (stress stress, madness)
Ok calm captain cranky pants WE are all missing eve in many ways so just chill. If more people say stop whining or somthing along those lines maybe people would get it into their heads and stop.
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Zolofine
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre to think they are sitting in rooms filled with cash screaming "muhahahahah, let's see how angry we can make our customers!!" is kind of..well...not-so-smart. (although it DOES seem to be Blizzards attitude)
OMG LOL...
I think that would actually be extreemly dangerous. In fact i think if this downtime last much longer there is going to be thousands of crazy, wired, animalistic EVE addics battering down the doors to the CCP offices in an attempt to 'fix the damn TQ server' themselves.
CCP, maybe about time to get the national guard to set up a camp around the CCP offices? |

Star Crush
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:08:00 -
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and DAMN IT... I only set a skill for 1 day and 2 hours , my noOb mistake for believing 24 hours would be enough to get the server up 
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Unknown Subject
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:08:00 -
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not even going to read the other posts as i know they all tell you to shut up and stop complaining.
its a FREE expansion. be greatful. a whole 2 days without eve wont hurt you, you might actually get a social life and MAYBE get laid...one day.
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Empyre
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:09:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Zolofine
Originally by: Empyre to think they are sitting in rooms filled with cash screaming "muhahahahah, let's see how angry we can make our customers!!" is kind of..well...not-so-smart. (although it DOES seem to be Blizzards attitude)
OMG LOL...
I think that would actually be extreemly dangerous. In fact i think if this downtime last much longer there is going to be thousands of crazy, wired, animalistic EVE addics battering down the doors to the CCP offices in an attempt to 'fix the damn TQ server' themselves.
CCP, maybe about time to get the national guard to set up a camp around the CCP offices?
i will confess..if i get home tonight and have to play anything BUT eve like i did all night last night (thankfully the world has found THC), then i might very well excercise my "hypocritical" human virtue and start swinging at my monitor or keyboard as well (the mouse can't take another flight across the room).
i promise if that happens i won't let it bleed through onto the forums though. I'll take it out on Blizzard..  ----- my playstyle is anti-pirate. what does this mean? it means you'll never catch me in a valuable ship and/or setup where it can be compromised. go on, trade your ammo for the scraps you'll get. |

rig0r
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:09:00 -
[68]
Please, stop pretending you know what's going on.
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Empyre
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Berneh No not at all, my point is that if ccp had done what they do every patchday and said "ok we will be down for 4 hours to apply a patch" we would have all said "ok no probs, 10 hours it is"
now they said "24hours ....oh now 28 hours and then we still have to wait for people to log on and crash the server"
so why not do it the old way ? there was no need at all for the 24hr DT
isn't that assuming all patches are equal in size, content and complexity?
----- my playstyle is anti-pirate. what does this mean? it means you'll never catch me in a valuable ship and/or setup where it can be compromised. go on, trade your ammo for the scraps you'll get. |

MorpheusX
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:10:00 -
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Berneh: Good humor, manners and less of an "in-your-face" attitude goes a long way to earn respect from the more mature audience. Having said that, you were still right in your "assumptions".
Glass girl: If the community wasn't mature you'd be seeing alot of threads with empty threats, alot more whining and alot more of bad/leet spelling/grammar.
Eve Online is inexpensive in comparison to other online games (most of which you have to buy off game stores shelves). All of the expansions have been free and will most likely remains so - no SOE-greed going on here. And at least they let us know what is happening, as opposed to other MMOGs. Eve expansions actually have real gameplay changes, not just "add content, stir, make money".
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Zolofine
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:10:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jaderpop
Originally by: Zolofine
Originally by: Jaderpop Heres one friggin word for everyone complaining about the patch or the down time or anything WHAAAAAAH Stop whining go do something productive like i dont know go arrange your sock drawer. CCP is doing what they can to get the game back to us better than it was before and its about time the whiners, you know who you are, to stand behind CCP and let them do what they do best.
DUDE ARGH...
If there weren't like atleast twice asmany people saying what you just said over and over and over, as there are people saying "WAAAAAAAA DOWNTIME BORED ACKACK NEED EVE" then FFS you might be less anoyying than them, but you aren't. Bleh stfu all of you ^^ (stress stress, madness)
Ok calm captain cranky pants WE are all missing eve in many ways so just chill. If more people say stop whining or somthing along those lines maybe people would get it into their heads and stop.
Yeah that would be bloody fantastic. But somehow after about 100 posts saying 'please stop whining and do something else, productive, outside, etc' i just don't see that it's going to happen. Someone needs to go over to their house and knock em the fvkc out for a couple of houres. I think that's the only way! |

Jaderpop
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:11:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Jaderpop
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Empyre Edited by: Empyre on 15/12/2005 18:48:10
Originally by: Berneh It isnt going down the pan (try reading my origional post again)
i said
"There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00."
It isnt , its been delayed
"We cant even download the patch yet."
We still cant.
Where did i go wrong exactly ?
umm..so when/where did it say "you will definately be able to download the patch earlier than 20:00"? i miss a lot sometimes so it may have gone right past me..correct me if i'm wrong, though.
Originally by: kieron
2000 GMT Dec 15
There i'm afraid mate, and i didnt think they would let you log into a patched game without a patched client ?
Unless you know more than i do of course.
I proved myself right, this always happens on patchday, i just wanted to know the theory behind the 24hour downtime which hasent happened before , when all other patches have gone the same way (this one too btw)
If memory serves correctly didnt exodus patch take like 24 hrs to be deployed? It might of been less time but just a point If Exdous took less time this patch has then that would mean since this patch is taking 28 hrs then this patch will be better than exdous.
No not at all, my point is that if ccp had done what they do every patchday and said "ok we will be down for 4 hours to apply a patch" we would have all said "ok no probs, 10 hours it is"
now they said "24hours ....oh now 28 hours and then we still have to wait for people to log on and crash the server"
so why not do it the old way ? there was no need at all for the 24hr DT
Well lets break it down. This patch has alot of fixing of ships, new ships being added and new mods and bps that need seeding. Its alot bigger than most patches were used to. So the 28 hr downtime might be actually needed. Now im not saying I know it all but this is common sense. More content more improvments longer DT
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Jaderpop
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zolofine
Originally by: Jaderpop
Originally by: Zolofine
Originally by: Jaderpop Heres one friggin word for everyone complaining about the patch or the down time or anything WHAAAAAAH Stop whining go do something productive like i dont know go arrange your sock drawer. CCP is doing what they can to get the game back to us better than it was before and its about time the whiners, you know who you are, to stand behind CCP and let them do what they do best.
DUDE ARGH...
If there weren't like atleast twice asmany people saying what you just said over and over and over, as there are people saying "WAAAAAAAA DOWNTIME BORED ACKACK NEED EVE" then FFS you might be less anoyying than them, but you aren't. Bleh stfu all of you ^^ (stress stress, madness)
Ok calm captain cranky pants WE are all missing eve in many ways so just chill. If more people say stop whining or somthing along those lines maybe people would get it into their heads and stop.
Yeah that would be bloody fantastic. But somehow after about 100 posts saying 'please stop whining and do something else, productive, outside, etc' i just don't see that it's going to happen. Someone needs to go over to their house and knock em the fvkc out for a couple of houres. I think that's the only way!
WEll if you know where the whiners live im game 
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: MorpheusX Berneh: Good humor, manners and less of an "in-your-face" attitude goes a long way to earn respect from the more mature audience. Having said that, you were still right in your "assumptions".
*snip*
Thanks for that buddy , your points have been taken onboard, its just that i dislike being told one thing and then having another happen.
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Empyre
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Empyre on 15/12/2005 19:15:30 i just hope they don't track the number of times you try to connect. i'd be really embarassed to see how many times i've clicked "connect->ok->repeat" on the test server in the last hour.. 
EDIT: WOOHOO! I'm in on the test server!! (my poor class) ----- my playstyle is anti-pirate. what does this mean? it means you'll never catch me in a valuable ship and/or setup where it can be compromised. go on, trade your ammo for the scraps you'll get. |

Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:15:00 -
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if its just a 28 hour downtime i shall eat my hat.
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |

Myal Terego
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:16:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ly'sol
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Ly'sol If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
Silence please , the adults are talking.
Are all members of ISS idoits?
Im going to find you and pod you, youve been warned. _________________________________________________________
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Humperof Macroers2
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:17:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Ly'sol If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
Silence please , the adults are talking.
Then I suggest you follow your own advice, crawl back into your playpen and let the adults talk, child.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:18:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Humperof Macroers2
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Ly'sol If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
Silence please , the adults are talking.
Then I suggest you follow your own advice, crawl back into your playpen and let the adults talk, child.
Sorry ALT the last thing i wanted was to offend you...
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |
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Oveur

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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:20:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Berneh There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00.
We cant even download the patch yet.
Why didnt they just rush the patch like usual and end up with about 15hours of downtime ?
why set aside 24 hours when everyone knows the servers going to go **** up as soon as 18k people log on at once, and thats AFTER the server giving us the patch goes **** up .
Prove me wrong please.
You were much more fun when we were drunk Berneh! 
Senior Producer EVE Online
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Snare
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:22:00 -
[81]
And to top it all off, i can't get on SiSi...
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Myal Terego
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:30:00 -
[82]
lol Berneh you go drinking with the devs? Why havent they given you a decent ship to pvp in then. _________________________________________________________
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Paul Castrin
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:31:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Paul Castrin on 15/12/2005 19:34:52 Edited by: Paul Castrin on 15/12/2005 19:32:17
Originally by: Berneh No not at all, my point is that if ccp had done what they do every patchday and said "ok we will be down for 4 hours to apply a patch" we would have all said "ok no probs, 10 hours it is"
now they said "24hours ....oh now 28 hours and then we still have to wait for people to log on and crash the server"
so why not do it the old way ? there was no need at all for the 24hr DT
TBH I think they are trying to do the right thing by making a more realistic estimate then having to double it because of problems. It helps to keep most in the community from screaming for blood.
Just to use your example: CCP estimates 10 hours but pushes it to 28 instead of saying 24 hours and having it slip 4 hours to 28 (so far). (note: 10/4 == 2.5 * 24 == 60hours ... the equivalent of your example of 4 hour projection but the 10 hour reality but with a 24hour base instead) If they had done that IÆd be seriously po'ed along with quite a few others IÆm sure. Personally, considering they have acknowledged that this is a very major patch, I'm only going to be po'ed if they slip past 48 hours
I can see nothing wrong with giving the community a (hopefully) more accurate estimate on down time for such a major patch. If it slips 4 or 6 hours then they are at least to be applauded for being closer to the mark compared to other patches. And with that there is also the hope that the patch will not suffer the same problems as previous ones since they are taking more care.
Patience is a virtue.

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Humperof Macroers2
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:32:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Humperof Macroers2
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: Ly'sol If you dont like it quit.
They are doing things right the first time which is a lot i can say for many many MMOGs. Being whiney and negetive in this community doesnt fly as it would in other MMOG communities.
Keep your whiny attitude to yourself until everything is back online. And also keep in mind that the expansion is free? Where you would have to pay otherwise?
So...just...Relax
Silence please , the adults are talking.
Then I suggest you follow your own advice, crawl back into your playpen and let the adults talk, child.
Sorry ALT the last thing i wanted was to offend you...
Your apology is accepted....now play nice with everyone and be constructive rather than whining.
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Zolofine
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:32:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Berneh There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00.
We cant even download the patch yet.
Why didnt they just rush the patch like usual and end up with about 15hours of downtime ?
why set aside 24 hours when everyone knows the servers going to go **** up as soon as 18k people log on at once, and thats AFTER the server giving us the patch goes **** up .
Prove me wrong please.
You were much more fun when we were drunk Berneh! 
Oveur... wtf, why aren't you fixing TQ?????!!!!!! ^^ |

P'XEL
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:35:00 -
[86]
OMG HEEEEEELP
I caught myself actualy reading a book :/ *sob*
Man, new patches suck if ya lack a RL :)
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:38:00 -
[87]
WTL: Mega Pointless Thread II
CCP has even knows it. They've added the word BIGSHOT to the URL of my avatar. |

Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:40:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Berneh There is no way that at 18:30 the server can be up and running and be all hunky dory at 20:00.
We cant even download the patch yet.
Why didnt they just rush the patch like usual and end up with about 15hours of downtime ?
why set aside 24 hours when everyone knows the servers going to go **** up as soon as 18k people log on at once, and thats AFTER the server giving us the patch goes **** up .
Prove me wrong please.
You were much more fun when we were drunk Berneh! 
Sorry Oveur i didnt realise you were watching 
I'll be good from now on i promise 
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T'savong Lah
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:44:00 -
[89]
Yeah.. ISD Lock this thread. IMO its just flamebait. At the author, would you prefer that we log on, and then have the server crash right away, just when you think all is going well? I'd rather have the patch deployment pushed back and let them have the time to fix the problems and have smooth [albeit delayed] deployment and not have a bazillion messages on here "OMGWTFCCPWHYDIDYOUTAKETHESERVERDOWN?" because they had to launch the patch early to silence whiners like you. Would you kindly go do something else in the mean time. When CCP deems the patch playable by all, they will launch the damn thing. No amount of whining from you is going to speed that process up. Got it? Great.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:46:00 -
[90]
Originally by: T'savong Lah Yeah.. ISD Lock this thread. IMO its just flamebait. At the author, would you prefer that we log on, and then have the server crash right away, just when you think all is going well? I'd rather have the patch deployment pushed back and let them have the time to fix the problems and have smooth [albeit delayed] deployment and not have a bazillion messages on here "OMGWTFCCPWHYDIDYOUTAKETHESERVERDOWN?" because they had to launch the patch early to silence whiners like you. Would you kindly go do something else in the mean time. When CCP deems the patch playable by all, they will launch the damn thing. No amount of whining from you is going to speed that process up. Got it? Great.
I would love to reply to that but i cant..Oveurs watching me 
Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar |
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Soulita
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:46:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Star Crush and DAMN IT... I only set a skill for 1 day and 2 hours , my noOb mistake for believing 24 hours would be enough to get the server up 
Muhahaha - my skill training atm will take 30 days to finish.. i am fairly confident that is enuff 
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shadyfox99
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:47:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Berneh
Sorry Oveur i didnt realise you were watching 
I'll be good from now on i promise 
awww, i had just gone to get my pitch fork and torch for the DEV witch hunt! NOW what am i going to do??
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:48:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Soulita
Muhahaha - my skill training atm will take 30 days to finish.. i am fairly confident that is enuff 
Boy will I laugh if it isn't. 
-G
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Eveanne
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:48:00 -
[94]
Originally by: BlasterX Edited by: BlasterX on 15/12/2005 19:06:04
Originally by: Perseus Nor It's like I want to tell my clients at work, "Do you want in now or do you want it right?"
Simple choice. :)
NEXT
If you said that to me, I would have sacked you for not meeting your targets.
VENT VENT VENT hurry up CCP, were all turning on each other!
+1
NM the last bit that's understandable. Techies NEED to be opressed and fired. Just look at the pics...
QED
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Jacob Majestic
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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:51:00 -
[95]
I heard a wild rumor of there being some ISS shens up in this crib.
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Imaran

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Posted - 2005.12.15 19:52:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Berneh
Originally by: MysticNZ Not even going to bother, go away.
Nope, prove me wrong please
You're wrong.
Redundant thread.
*click*
Property Of Eris Property Of Uly
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