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Isaak Artorius
6
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:19:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.
Similarly - pre-pulling by creating a distraction for Concord to respond in a system nearby isn't?
Blah, blah, blah, I'm super horny. I love EVE and monkeys. |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics
K162
59
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:21:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:dexington wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I have a simpler solution, fit a damn tank... When dealing with miners using logic is a waste of time, you are dealing with people who think losing 200M in ships to make 50M is good idea. Unless you come up with some crackpot theory where they can mine in a paper hulk they will not listen, and when it fail miserably they run to the forums *****, whine and scream for everything to get nerfed. The miner rehabilitation program has a 99% failure rate, the people that pass actually fit a tank, and mine at the keyboard.
and the .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% that learn how to fit a tank learn how to PvP
~Edit~
Ok I lied... add a lot more 0s to that % |
destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
155
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:24:00 -
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I'm sure if ccp sees another thread about miners complaining theyd just spawn Incursions everywhere, and make people fight for what they want to do 
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1428
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:25:00 -
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Isaak Artorius wrote:Riot Girl wrote:It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences. Similarly - pre-pulling by creating a distraction for Concord to respond in a system nearby isn't?
Nope.
Oh god. |
Whitehound
1728
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:28:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.
Considering that these are all players with different characters do you need to distinguish between miners and gankers more strictly.
A miner who "summons" CONCORD into a belt has committed an offence like any other ganker and has become a ganker, too, if only for a short time.
A ganker then might switch into a mining ship after he ganked a competing miner and only to gloat.
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:35:00 -
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How to make ganker's job even more annoying? Well...
Put your alt into this:
[Scimitar, healer]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x2
And use this for mining:
[Skiff, tank]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Vespa EC-600 x5
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603 |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics
K162
60
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:36:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Riot Girl wrote:It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences. Considering that these are all players with different characters do you need to distinguish between miners and gankers more strictly. A miner who "summons" CONCORD into a belt has committed an offence like any other ganker and has become a ganker, too, if only for a short time. A ganker then might switch into a mining ship after he ganked a competing miner and only to gloat.
Well I mean if you think about it...
Miners warp to the belt to shoot stuff with lasers
Gankers warp to the belt to shoot stuff with blasters
Miners look for good mining locations
Gankers look for good miner's locations
Miners leave wrecks at a belt (NPCs)
Gankers leave wrecks at a belt (Player's)
Miners and Gankers ARE alike OMG lmao jk |
destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
155
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:43:00 -
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Tobias Hareka wrote:How to make ganker's job even more annoying? Well...
Put your alt into this:
[Scimitar, healer]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x2
And use this for mining:
[Skiff, tank]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Vespa EC-600 x5
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603
I use Hulks + Orca + 2 Basillisks usually lol.
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:11:00 -
[39] - Quote
How? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
27820
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:21:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:
make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.
And then when that alt is at -.5 ad below, waste HOURS of your time getting it back up to High Sec access ability.
Delete the alt and cycle a new one a few times and the EULA is violated.
The idea is terrible and not helpful at all.
Maybe just don't mine AFK ?? hmmm ???? |
Ivan Krividus
Society of Time Forgotten.
The United Systems Commonwealth
4
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:21:00 -
[41] - Quote
You can sell the killrights too.
Hmm.. I always had the idea of putting a web and scram on a procurer and putting drone damage mods on the lows and sit in 0.5 waiting for gankers. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:24:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:As far as I understood, trying to pre-position concord to "protect" yourself is petitionable, but calling concord off isn't.
The purpose of Concord is not to protect your ship, its to take the aggressors ship. The method that you protect your ship, is to provide it with a tank, and concord is not to be used to avoid the consequence of not providing it with a tank.
LMAO how is one different from the other? I would say use it until they specifically tell you that you canGÇÖt. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Is it wrong to want to murder people who say 'walla'? GǪand that's probably one of the smallest problems with the OP's post.  Oh, and no, manipulating CONCORD GÇö be it by pre-spawning or by moving them off-grid GÇö is not against the rules. Both sides are allowed to use it to their hearts' content.
OMG I thought I would never be able to say this but.....no no I just cant do it. OK.... I......agreee....with.......tip..ia. UGH hard to choke out  |
baltec1
Bat Country
7436
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:46:00 -
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Would just like to point out that the spawning of concord for protection has been deemed an exploit by CCP and will earn you a warning. Repeated use will result in possible bans. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15834
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Would just like to point out that the spawning of concord for protection has been deemed an exploit by CCP and will earn you a warning. Repeated use will result in possible bans.
[citation needed]
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
741
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Would just like to point out that the spawning of concord for protection has been deemed an exploit by CCP and will earn you a warning. Repeated use will result in possible bans.
I've seen suicide gankers repeatedly spawning concord to protect them against aggressive miners.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7436
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Would just like to point out that the spawning of concord for protection has been deemed an exploit by CCP and will earn you a warning. Repeated use will result in possible bans. [citation needed]
Dont have one to hand but it was established by several GM posts in miner gank threads when we were doing the interdictions.
Manipulation of already spawned concord is allowed but spawning them for protection is not as that is an abuse of the concord mechanic. We got a good few miners banned for this thing and a rage post on one of the botting forums but alas, I doubt we still have that saved anywhere. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1431
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Posted - 2013.07.31 15:30:00 -
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I hope OP doesn't get into trouble for encouraging people to abuse game mechanics.
Oh god. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
792
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Posted - 2013.07.31 15:55:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:destiny2 wrote:
make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.
And then when that alt is at -.5 ad below, waste HOURS of your time getting it back up to High Sec access ability.
Or just buy a couple sec status tags. Or use an insta to get out of station past the pretend police and do your business, then let them pod you right back in, paying nothing because you're still low enough SP to live in a clone alpha. Reship to free noobship, and repeat as necessary.
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Doddy
Dark-Rising
865
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Posted - 2013.07.31 15:57:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:Tubrug1 wrote:Then the ganker can use an alt or even his main to get rid of Concord... Good plan you've got there. really ? lol. hrm. altho concord isnt going to swarm for just 1 ship lol. thats distracting them. theyd send about 2-3 tops unless you really make them mad, then you run away fast
People have been spawning concord to protect them and gankers have been moving them since suicide ganking first started. To spawn concord in you belt you need 1 ship to go crim per concord spawn you want (bs,cruiser,frig) Those concord once in system will respond to another incident going crim with the number of ships required. If the miner uses 2 alts (at the same time) to go crim, the ganker will need to use 2 alts (at the same time) to move them and so on. Additionally it is the closest concord spawn that moves, i have gone into a gank not realising there was a diff concord spawn in system that had repsonded rather than the miners protection, didn't go well.
To the people saying its abusing game mechanics it isn't, both spawning concord and moving a concord spawn away are perfectly valid game play that works the way ccp means it to. Back in gankings heyday (before ridiculous barge buff) there could be 5 or 6 concord spawns being moved back and forth across a system. Genrally miners who did it right would end up being safe as it was far more straightforward to find another target than keep moving concord. The ones who thought they were safe and would smack talk on the other hand would realis ethe hard way how persistent gankers can be when provoked. |
Doddy
Dark-Rising
865
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:01:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:destiny2 wrote:
make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.
And then when that alt is at -.5 ad below, waste HOURS of your time getting it back up to High Sec access ability. Delete the alt and cycle a new one a few times and the EULA is violated. The idea is terrible and not helpful at all. Maybe just don't mine AFK ?? hmmm ????
Your alt can still spwan concord for you at -10, he only needs to survive the police long enough to lock your exhumer after all. You wont be able to use i=him for other stuff ofc but hey, its a free alt slot right.
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De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Circle-Of-Two
1804
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Would just like to point out that the spawning of concord for protection has been deemed an exploit by CCP and will earn you a warning. Repeated use will result in possible bans. [citation needed]
Actually, while I don't have the quote handy either, I do recall that at one time manipulating concord spawns would get you a slap by the GMs.
As with anything else, it may be up to the GM handling the question.
GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence
STELLAR CONSTELLATION
215
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:16:00 -
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overload your invulns
silly miners
^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:19:00 -
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Not my fault should a new player on a trial 14 day account decide to attack my ship while I mine. Working as intended |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
589
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Would just like to point out that the spawning of concord for protection has been deemed an exploit by CCP and will earn you a warning. Repeated use will result in possible bans. [citation needed] Dont have one to hand but it was established by several GM posts in miner gank threads when we were doing the interdictions. Manipulation of already spawned concord is allowed to some degree but spawning them for protection is not as that is an abuse of the concord mechanic. We got a good few miners banned for this thing and a rage post on one of the botting forums but alas, I doubt we still have that saved anywhere.
What the difference between a ganker "manipulating" an already spawned concord by moving him out of grid by undocking in his Ibis from to get a better dps uptime on the next target from an alt "manipulating the already spawned condord to move it on grid in the belt?
Only the first spawn is illegal but I can move it at will as long as I don't force a new spawn?
How do you know I am not only an idiot trying to gank a miner in an Ibis? Maybe I just read some random miner ranting about how ganking is too easy and have supposedly no cost so I wrongfully understood it could be done in a free ship. |
Ulviirala Vauryndar
Vauryndar Dalharil
5
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:20:00 -
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The force of EFT is strong with some, but what happens if carebears actually do bite back?
Well, [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjtjKEvuedM[/url].
No really though, there used to be a legitimate pvp video of "when carebears bite back". Y'know, back in the days when can flipping was a thing. If anyone manages to dig that up... |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
589
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:23:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:destiny2 wrote:
make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.
And then when that alt is at -.5 ad below, waste HOURS of your time getting it back up to High Sec access ability. Delete the alt and cycle a new one a few times and the EULA is violated. The idea is terrible and not helpful at all. Maybe just don't mine AFK ?? hmmm ???? Your alt can still spwan concord for you at -10, he only needs to survive the police long enough to lock your exhumer after all. You wont be able to use i=him for other stuff ofc but hey, its a free alt slot right.
Prep an ibis in belt with your main by ejecting. Come with the -10 alt in a pod where Concord don't attack you. "Steal" the pilotless Ibis and shoot the barge/exhumer.
I have a perfect way to fix this obvious hole. Make concord POD people under -5. All the ganker will be happy miners can't use the gaping hole right?
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1434
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:33:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Make concord POD people under -5. All the ganker will be happy miners can't use the gaping hole right? It's an unsatisfactory solution. For that to work, gankers would have to be given a sec reward for podding miners in high sec.
Oh god. |
Ulviirala Vauryndar
Vauryndar Dalharil
6
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:45:00 -
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Ulviirala Vauryndar wrote:The force of EFT is strong with some, but what happens if carebears actually do bite back? Well, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjtjKEvuedM. No really though, there used to be a legitimate pvp video of "when carebears bite back". Y'know, back in the days when can flipping was a thing. If anyone manages to dig that up...
I think this was it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWUlntJ58U
But nevermind, it tells of times long past, when NOS wasn't nerfed, sucky warp stabs had no penalty (he should've fitted a suitcase), roids were always juicy, and noone knew how to make 720p videos.
Fly safe o/ |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
27987
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:46:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:destiny2 wrote:
make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.
And then when that alt is at -.5 ad below, waste HOURS of your time getting it back up to High Sec access ability. Or just buy a couple sec status tags. Or use an insta to get out of station past the pretend police and do your business, then let them pod you right back in, paying nothing because you're still low enough SP to live in a clone alpha. Reship to free noobship, and repeat as necessary.
Well, yeah, we know all that.
It's all just a lot of trouble for something that's honestly really a useless idea.
edit: If they are gonna gank you, they are gonna gank you and no stopping 'em really. That's just EVE. |
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