Then the ganker can use an alt or even his main to get rid of Concord... Good plan you've got there.

So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).

It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.

Probably shouldn't have posted this on your main, good sir, now every suicide ganker in the game will be out to make sure you get taken down and thus proven wrong ...

doing the above as stated by the OP does not protect you against been ganked.

You must be new here.

How do you get punished for pulling concord away using the exact same tactic? You can even use it with the same account insetad of having to log-in a second account.

So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).

What this guy said, it does make it to where the suicide gankers have to bring more alpha damage to gank you, but it doesn't in any way "prevent" being ganked.

Good job we'll be war-dec'ing you soon then... and "walla"... you won't even need that Alt to conjur up some invisible friends from CONCORD ...

Is it wrong to want to murder people who say 'walla'?

It's voil+á (voila being acceptable, for people who don't use accented characters day in day out)

Just a pet hate. Similar to that for people who could care less.

I have a simpler solution, fit a damn tank...

Is it wrong to want to murder people who say 'walla'?

So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).

When dealing with miners using logic is a waste of time, you are dealing with people who think losing 200M in ships to make 50M is good idea.

Unless you come up with some crackpot theory where they can mine in a paper hulk they will not listen, and when it fail miserably they run to the forums *****, whine and scream for everything to get nerfed.

lmao this is so funny.

So you are saying use an alt to get concord into your belt, and you are telling every miner to do so.

Do you realize concord will warp away from your mining ship the next time some miner in the same system shoots his ship with a noob ship. You miners will be fighting over concord more than mining. This is laughable.


Why not teach them now to tank their ships so it takes more than one dessy to kill their mining ship? Hulks are WAY too easy to gank. I don't know why people still use Hulks these days. Use tanked Macks! The only situation I can see a Hulk being of any use is when you have 8 or more accounts. Otherwise it's better to have another miner in a Mack over an orca hauling for just a few hulks.

It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.

The miner rehabilitation program has a 99% failure rate, the people that pass actually fit a tank, and mine at the keyboard.

Similarly - pre-pulling by creating a distraction for Concord to respond in a system nearby isn't?

It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.

Considering that these are all players with different characters do you need to distinguish between miners and gankers more strictly.

A miner who "summons" CONCORD into a belt has committed an offence like any other ganker and has become a ganker, too, if only for a short time.

A ganker then might switch into a mining ship after he ganked a competing miner and only to gloat.

How to make ganker's job even more annoying? Well...

Put your alt into this:

[Scimitar, healer]

Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x2

And use this for mining:

[Skiff, tank]

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603

make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

As far as I understood, trying to pre-position concord to "protect" yourself is petitionable, but calling concord off isn't.

The purpose of Concord is not to protect your ship, its to take the aggressors ship. The method that you protect your ship, is to provide it with a tank, and concord is not to be used to avoid the consequence of not providing it with a tank.

GǪand that's probably one of the smallest problems with the OP's post.


Oh, and no, manipulating CONCORD GÇö be it by pre-spawning or by moving them off-grid GÇö is not against the rules. Both sides are allowed to use it to their hearts' content.

Would just like to point out that the spawning of concord for protection has been deemed an exploit by CCP and will earn you a warning. Repeated use will result in possible bans.

Would just like to point out that the spawning of concord for protection has been deemed an exploit by CCP and will earn you a warning. Repeated use will result in possible bans.

[citation needed]

And then when that alt is at -.5 ad below, waste HOURS of your time getting it back up to High Sec access ability.

really ? lol. hrm. altho concord isnt going to swarm for just 1 ship lol. thats distracting them. theyd send about 2-3 tops unless you really make them mad, then you run away fast

And then when that alt is at -.5 ad below, waste HOURS of your time getting it back up to High Sec access ability.

Delete the alt and cycle a new one a few times and the EULA is violated.

The idea is terrible and not helpful at all.

Maybe just don't mine AFK ?? hmmm ????

[citation needed]

Dont have one to hand but it was established by several GM posts in miner gank threads when we were doing the interdictions.

Manipulation of already spawned concord is allowed to some degree but spawning them for protection is not as that is an abuse of the concord mechanic. We got a good few miners banned for this thing and a rage post on one of the botting forums but alas, I doubt we still have that saved anywhere.

Your alt can still spwan concord for you at -10, he only needs to survive the police long enough to lock your exhumer after all. You wont be able to use i=him for other stuff ofc but hey, its a free alt slot right.

Make concord POD people under -5. All the ganker will be happy miners can't use the gaping hole right?

The force of EFT is strong with some, but what happens if carebears actually do bite back?

Well, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjtjKEvuedM.

No really though, there used to be a legitimate pvp video of "when carebears bite back". Y'know, back in the days when can flipping was a thing. If anyone manages to dig that up...

Or just buy a couple sec status tags. Or use an insta to get out of station past the pretend police and do your business, then let them pod you right back in, paying nothing because you're still low enough SP to live in a clone alpha. Reship to free noobship, and repeat as necessary.

The miner rehabilitation program has a 99% failure rate, the people that pass actually fit a tank, and mine at the keyboard.

How do you get punished for pulling concord away using the exact same tactic? You can even use it with the same account insetad of having to log-in a second account.

It's an unsatisfactory solution. For that to work, gankers would have to be given a sec reward for podding miners in high sec.

I am also not sure if you took that "idea" as serious but I hope not.

So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).

Good job we'll be war-dec'ing you soon then... and "walla"... you won't even need that Alt to conjur up some invisible friends from CONCORD ...

I see a lot of references to a solo dessy ganking mining barges.

Even a T2 Cat can't solo gank an untanked Ret flown by a skilled pilot in .7 space or above. It takes more than 1.

I see a lot of references to a solo dessy ganking mining barges.

Even a T2 Cat can't solo gank an untanked Ret flown by a skilled pilot in .7 space or above. It takes more than 1.

How to make ganker's job even more annoying? Well...

Put your alt into this:

[Scimitar, healer]

Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x2

[quote=Tobias Hareka]How to make ganker's job even more annoying? Well...

Put your alt into this:

[Scimitar fit]

And at that point they just kill your Scimitar alt and your barge/exhumer by bringing friends.

So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).

And at that point they just kill your Scimitar alt instead.

really ? lol. hrm. altho concord isnt going to swarm for just 1 ship lol. thats distracting them. theyd send about 2-3 tops unless you really make them mad, then you run away fast

So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all.

Sensible things

And your point is? Getting miners to engage with the game is James' thing, but using T2 Cruisers to fight gankers is silly.

Griffins or bust.

OP:

And when your alt's sec status is so low he can't undock anymore, what then? Remember that biomassing alts just to get rid of sec status is a no no according to CCP...

It's quite possible to keep doing it as a -10 forever, never needing to recycle anything, just marginally inconvenient.

It is however not unfair though.
Few point to be made:

1: The Hulk is made to make isk, by mining lots of ore, it will make its money back in less than a day ( if you know what you're doing )
2: The Dessy is a ship, made to gank stuff with, it MIGHT make it's money back in a day, but it is not very likely ( you are unable do do stuff for a few minutes and you need to build a new one, after which you can only hope that wreck is still there, for you to make some money on ).

What the difference between a ganker "manipulating" an already spawned concord by moving him out of grid by undocking in his Ibis from to get a better dps uptime on the next target from an alt "manipulating the already spawned condord to move it on grid in the belt?

How do you know I am not only an idiot trying to gank a miner in an Ibis?

Is it wrong to want to murder people who say 'walla'?

It's voil+á (voila being acceptable, for people who don't use accented characters day in day out)

Just a pet hate. Similar to that for people who could care less.

doing the above as stated by the OP does not protect you against been ganked.

I like my Skiff, for those odd occasions I hit a grav site. Not quite fit for max tank, but 70k ehp is enough to discourage most gankers. (nothing can discourage all)

Curious if a "tanky" Procurer in low sec belts would be a deterrent for ganking or does the luxury of low sec allow swarms of people just to get that Procurer?

And at that point they just kill your Scimitar alt instead.

Curious if a "tanky" Procurer in low sec belts would be a deterrent for ganking or does the luxury of low sec allow swarms of people just to get that Procurer?

Curious if a "tanky" Procurer in low sec belts would be a deterrent for ganking or does the luxury of low sec allow swarms of people just to get that Procurer?

How do you get punished for pulling concord away using the exact same tactic? You can even use it with the same account insetad of having to log-in a second account.

Or a single person, really.

No CONCORD outside of HS to provide a "minimum DPS to kill."

Ur-Example

So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).

Or you could just fit a tank ...

But that's absolute madness...

Or just buy a couple sec status tags. Or use an insta to get out of station past the pretend police and do your business, then let them pod you right back in, paying nothing because you're still low enough SP to live in a clone alpha. Reship to free noobship, and repeat as necessary.

How do you get punished for pulling concord away using the exact same tactic? You can even use it with the same account insetad of having to log-in a second account.

So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).