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Large Collidable Object
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:54:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:And ofc, there are those that say this makes for 'consensual PvP' and to some extent it does
PvP (including getting suicide ganked) is always consensual in Eve. You agree to it when starting the client.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:54:00 -
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Baphommet wrote:The Apostle > But I'll be ****** if I have to sit and do all the crap neccessary to avoid death
Well there's your problem!
Maybe you need to think a little about what I am saying. There is a large portion of Eve players that are CASUAL gamers and mining is one of the ways to make an income while doing other things.
You're argument is that it shouldn't be "allowed". I'm accepting that. But it's a moot point.
A Domi pilot with sentries can do EXACTLY the same thing in Eve, in fact he can make many, many times the income to a miner.
Set and forget, risk free income in highsec.
But you DO NOT and CAN NOT kill him with a gank.
I am trying to point out that single flaw in the whole ganking mechanic. If it is so valid and normal, why aren't missioners dying?
If miners are dying for 'economic", "strategic" or "tactical" advantage (as is soooo often stated) then why the hell can't you kill all OTHER risk free income players in Eve.
THAT is the argument. I'm seeking removal of the tools that MISSIONERS use to avoid trouble. I stated clearly that it makes no difference to miners. They're dying ANYWAY.
I want to see a broader scope to the destruction of highsec players IF and ONLY IF the mechanic of suicide ganking is being hailed as being both a legitimate and neccessary mechanic.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
526
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:56:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:And that's my motivation against this crap. MY gameplay is being affected by a game mechanic that is risk free while I am subject to absolute destruction for pennies. I mined passively while I ran my business in RL. I was always active and never used bots.
Which was it...were you active in-game or afk running your business? I still don't understand why miners feel entitled to gather resources and make money in complete safety while being afk. Just because the mining mechanic itself is boring isn't good enough.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:56:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:The Apostle wrote:And ofc, there are those that say this makes for 'consensual PvP' and to some extent it does PvP (including getting suicide ganked) is always consensual in Eve. You agree to it when starting the client.
More ostriches. Welcome to the zoo.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
526
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:58:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:THAT is the argument. I'm seeking removal of the tools that MISSIONERS use to avoid trouble. I stated clearly that it makes no difference to miners. They're dying ANYWAY.
I want to see a broader scope to the destruction of highsec players IF and ONLY IF the mechanic of suicide ganking is being hailed as being both a legitimate and neccessary mechanic.
You won't get an argument from me about that. Level 4 missions and especially high sec incursions provide way too much money for the amount of risk involved.
It is possible to kill mission runners and it's usually even more fun than ganking miners. Especially if you can trick them into agfressing first.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:58:00 -
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we should make a post that tells people HOW to suicide gank and better ways to do it
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now
Aidan Brooder:
"And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons."
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:00:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:The Apostle wrote:And that's my motivation against this crap. MY gameplay is being affected by a game mechanic that is risk free while I am subject to absolute destruction for pennies. I mined passively while I ran my business in RL. I was always active and never used bots. Which was it...were you active in-game or afk running your business? I still don't understand why miners feel entitled to gather resources and make money in complete safety while being afk. Just because the mining mechanic itself is boring isn't good enough.
There are HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of players in Eve doing EXACTLY that.
AFK, risk-free isk making. They aren't miners. You cannot kill them without massive firepower/co-ordination.
The arguments used to justify the killing of miners is NOT valid if missioners are not ALSO in the mix.
It's not your fault, the mechanics do NOT allow for it. That's the intent of the OP.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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T' Elk
Clearly Compensating
The Dark Triad
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:01:00 -
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I truly am getting tired of your whining, Apostle. 'Nuff said.
God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:01:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:The Apostle wrote:THAT is the argument. I'm seeking removal of the tools that MISSIONERS use to avoid trouble. I stated clearly that it makes no difference to miners. They're dying ANYWAY.
I want to see a broader scope to the destruction of highsec players IF and ONLY IF the mechanic of suicide ganking is being hailed as being both a legitimate and neccessary mechanic. You won't get an argument from me about that. Level 4 missions and especially high sec incursions provide way too much money for the amount of risk involved. It is possible to kill mission runners and it's usually even more fun than ganking miners. Especially if you can trick them into agfressing first.
It IS possible. No argument there. But it is very risky and very expensive for the ganker. So they take the easy option. The mechanic is flawed that allows one but not the other.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
The Lostboys
104
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:02:00 -
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Locking people in war decced corps is a poor idea. People will still avoid war in one of several ways.
Keep the pilot in a NPC corp for as long as possible, biomass the pilot and start a new one. Or;
Quit Eve.
Just what we need, another game change that makes players unsubscribe.
Also there are risks in the game other than players killing your ship, they are just different and in most cases less drastic. Mission runners lose ships due to messing up the mission all the time. Miners can have their time wasted by going to the belt to find its empty. Or that the local mineral price has crashed and they got to haul. Miners also do little things like mining roids out from under each other. Or scooping up abandoned drones (once I found an abandoned Harvester drone).
Mining fills a important part of the game. It keeps players on line when they are busy doing something in real life. That way if something in game pops up, the player is available to respond to it. Making it "more interesting" would take away this feature.
If you want to reduce suicide ganks, remove insurance payouts for any ship that dies while CONCORD is coming or shooting at it.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:03:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:I truly am getting tired of your whining, Apostle. 'Nuff said.
So block me or stfu. That's YOUR choice. idgaf
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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Baphommet
Sonoran Sun Legion
Eternal Strife
2
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:03:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:The Apostle wrote:And ofc, there are those that say this makes for 'consensual PvP' and to some extent it does PvP (including getting suicide ganked) is always consensual in Eve. You agree to it when starting the client. More ostriches. Welcome to the zoo.
Alrighty, I'll stop posting in this thread now. Good luck in all your future endeavors, and think about what you're saying.  You're proposing a large shift in EVE combat mechanics which I doubt much people would welcome. If you're in space you can get attacked and killed. Deal with it, that's how eve has worked since ever, and I bloody well hope forever.
PS- Concord victims shouldn't get insurance, I'll give you that. 
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
526
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:04:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:It IS possible. No argument there. But it is very risky and very expensive for the ganker. So they take the easy option. The mechanic is flawed that allows one but not the other.
You're absolutely right.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
669
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:18:00 -
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Baphommet wrote:The Apostle wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:The Apostle wrote:And ofc, there are those that say this makes for 'consensual PvP' and to some extent it does PvP (including getting suicide ganked) is always consensual in Eve. You agree to it when starting the client. More ostriches. Welcome to the zoo. Alrighty, I'll stop posting in this thread now. Good luck in all your future endeavors, and think about what you're saying. You're proposing a large shift in EVE combat mechanics which I doubt much people would welcome. If you're in space you can get attacked and killed. Deal with it, that's how eve has worked since ever, and I bloody well hope forever. PS- Concord victims shouldn't get insurance, I'll give you that.
What I am saying is that if we did all accept that suicide ganking as neccessary AND good for the game, then the SAME mechanics SHOULD apply to ALL highsec, risk free earners, not just miners. It doesn't because the mechanics do not allow it.
The OP is a double bluff to forum posters supporting ganking as a valid technique while clearly half of them are missioners. If you ACCEPT suicide ganking, you won't fight against it and it's all "part of the game" then let's MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING.
Time to put YOUR ass on the line as well.
I'm ADVOCATING change for MORE kills, LESS highsec income, NO corp hopping and NO hiding in NPC.
PS: Aren't I now one of "the cool guys" by doing so?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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The Crushah
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
5
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:24:00 -
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I personally like suicide ganking. Its a challenge. Im also quite certain CCP has no intention of eliminating that aspect of the game.
Now that we are done theorycrafting, would you so kindly inform me as to the whereabouts of your mining craft? I would appreciate it. |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
17
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:26:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:
There are HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of players in Eve doing EXACTLY that.
AFK, risk-free isk making. They aren't miners. You cannot kill them without massive firepower/co-ordination.
Hells bells....I've met industrialists who never leave station and rake in huge piles of cash. While sleeping.
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Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries
GloboTech Trade Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:28:00 -
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Ill help:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26058&p=12
read, enjoy :D
**** FiS
Its Called EVE |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
669
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:58:00 -
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Offer of cash payments for ganks is still open Macleod. You dealing?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
669
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:59:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:The Apostle wrote:
There are HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of players in Eve doing EXACTLY that.
AFK, risk-free isk making. They aren't miners. You cannot kill them without massive firepower/co-ordination.
Hells bells....I've met industrialists who never leave station and rake in huge piles of cash. While sleeping.
ANOTHER issue in Eve that needs to resolved.
Untouchable market PvP - lots of it by bots.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
669
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:02:00 -
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The Crushah wrote:I personally like suicide ganking. Its a challenge. Im also quite certain CCP has no intention of eliminating that aspect of the game.
Now that we are done theorycrafting, would you so kindly inform me as to the whereabouts of your mining craft? I would appreciate it.
Already said I sold 'em all.
And I'm asking for MORE deaths, not less. Let's put pew pew into highsec for REAL.... Have you got what it takes?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:03:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Offer of cash payments for ganks is still open Macleod. You dealing?
lol offer it to ppl with more than 240k sp. youre only offering it to me cause you think Im trying to pretend that Im a suicide ganker when if you read my post (you didnt cause all you are is a troll) you would have seen me saying "Ive always wanted to do this" not "im gonna go do this"
and I made MY thread to (as I told you but you chose to ignore so you could troll) gather knowledge on the art of suicide ganking.
so yeah, 0/10. try harder lol
well 3/10 you got me to reply
**** FiS
Its Called EVE |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
669
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:14:00 -
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Elyssa MacLeod wrote:The Apostle wrote:Offer of cash payments for ganks is still open Macleod. You dealing? lol offer it to ppl with more than 240k sp. youre only offering it to me cause you think Im trying to pretend that Im a suicide ganker when if you read my post (you didnt cause all you are is a troll) you would have seen me saying "Ive always wanted to do this" not "im gonna go do this" and I made MY thread to (as I told you but you chose to ignore so you could troll) gather knowledge on the art of suicide ganking. so yeah, 0/10. try harder lol well 3/10 you got me to reply
I get 9/10 because I've got you replying AND backpeddling. That's worth MUCH more.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:17:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:The Apostle wrote:Offer of cash payments for ganks is still open Macleod. You dealing? lol offer it to ppl with more than 240k sp. youre only offering it to me cause you think Im trying to pretend that Im a suicide ganker when if you read my post (you didnt cause all you are is a troll) you would have seen me saying "Ive always wanted to do this" not "im gonna go do this" and I made MY thread to (as I told you but you chose to ignore so you could troll) gather knowledge on the art of suicide ganking. so yeah, 0/10. try harder lol well 3/10 you got me to reply I get 9/10 because I've got you replying AND backpeddling. That's worth MUCH more.
at least you admit youre trolling... plus quote me the part where I promised I was going out to gank
this "backpedalling" you say Im doing.
**** FiS
Its Called EVE |
Ratling Saraki
Tetco
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:20:00 -
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One of the big issues is that you can easily lose an expensive (>100M isk) mining ship to a cheap T1 combat ship.
So what if a Hulk cost a tenth of its current price ?
No big loss = no worries.
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Serene Repose
Perkone
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:20:00 -
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The great unsaid here....why not find other PvP-ers and shoot your hearts out (literally)? You shoot. They shoot. You shoot...
Why drag the entire EVE population into some psychopathic hunger for chaos? Why can't the ones who like to do it, do it. The ones who aren't interested as their interests lie elsewhere NOT do it?
The great unsaid...honestly answer that. Why?
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:27:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:
The great unsaid...honestly answer that. Why?
I believe the answer to this is something like:
This in EVE
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now
Aidan Brooder:
"And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons."
lol best praise ever |
Ratling Saraki
Tetco
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:38:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Serene Repose wrote:
The great unsaid...honestly answer that. Why?
I believe the answer to this is something like: This is EVE
There, fixed that for you. ( no seriously ) |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:45:00 -
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Ratling Saraki wrote:One of the big issues is that you can easily lose an expensive (>100M isk) mining ship to a cheap T1 combat ship.
So what if a Hulk cost a tenth of its current price ?
No big loss = no worries.
The market dictates the cost and the resources are contained by a few.
We could make the insurance as commensurate with the loss as it is for the ganker. Economy can still revolve around the gank and the miner goes back and does it again.... and again...... adding more impetus to the economy.
It's the easy solution and would also make T2 more used (if insured) which in turn also adds to T2 resource value which aids in making 0.0 moons more valuable which makes protecting or capturing more of said moons valuable etc. etc....
But that's logical, too simple and requires no thought.
This is EVE.
It's gotta be complicated, unjustifiable, convoluted and silly before it's accepted. 
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:46:00 -
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Ratling Saraki wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Serene Repose wrote:
The great unsaid...honestly answer that. Why?
I believe the answer to this is something like: This is EVE There, fixed that for you. ( no seriously )
thx, stupid fat finger syndrome
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now
Aidan Brooder:
"And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons."
lol best praise ever |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
669
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:48:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:The great unsaid here....why not find other PvP-ers and shoot your hearts out (literally)? You shoot. They shoot. You shoot...
Why drag the entire EVE population into some psychopathic hunger for chaos? Why can't the ones who like to do it, do it. The ones who aren't interested as their interests lie elsewhere NOT do it?
The great unsaid...honestly answer that. Why?
Which is my point. They have to war-dec. The war-decced simply hop corps or join NPC to avoid fighting.
And PvP'ers traditionally shoot back. They might die.
It's Eve. The weak die trying, the strong get to run away.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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