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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
156
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:02:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:That's providing sig/skirmish bonuses from a pos, no one actually flies a Rag. (the skirmish bonuses own.) Sounds to me like unfair supercap advantage! Murder, r@pe, pillage!
To Eygfe Goons! http://eve-files.com/dl/248734 EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |

Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:04:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Mittani wrote:Screw hisec ice miners. I have no sympathy. They produce war materiel while hiding under Concord and beg and plead for special protection while the products of their labor - which is mostly botted, as most ice miners seem to be cheats - are used to wreak havoc across nullsec. At least miners in low, wspace and null take risks to reap their rewards.
Let them burn. I think you mean "Screw Gallente hisec ice miners." Or is Minmatar ice only used for good? If not, then why not hit Eygfe (four jumps from Hek, in Metropolis) ... lots of Mackinaw tears there ... 24 hours a day. http://eve-files.com/dl/248734 -- the Mackinaws numbers you're seeing are fairly consistent 24/7.
Caldari ice is used far more by highsec researchers yet you avoid that lol
**** FiS Its Called EVE |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
156
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:20:00 -
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Elyssa MacLeod wrote:Caldari ice is used far more by highsec researchers yet you avoid that lol I think they chose Gallente ice because Gallente space is closest to Deklein. And Goons are a notoriously lazy bunch. 
EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
840
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:28:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Russell Casey wrote:The Apostle wrote:Russell Casey wrote:Why suicide gank instead of war dec you ask?
War dec: warns the victims 24 hours in advance, flags you in local as a hostile so they know not to undock, can be avoided by dropping corps or just leaving the valuables at home till it's over.
Suicide gank: Bang, you're dead and all your stuff is gone in seconds. No warning. No chance to dock up all your miners or that hauler full of PLEX. And it doesn't matter if you're in an NPC or player-corp, both can be suicided. So gank some of the "risk free" missioners using the same argument. Wait. You can't. Unarmed mining vessels. Tough guy. Out of curiousity, how many mining alts of yours got killed and how many times to get you this bitter? For the record. None. I dumped all my mining vessels because I can't be bothered anymore. As a single player running a couple of Hulks the risk is too great and the rewards far too small.
So.... working as intended, then. Miners become fewer in number, prices inevitably rise as supplies decrease, player actions have changed the economy. What you see as a problem, others see as the point of the game.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
156
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:31:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. So true, especially concerning the recent wardec policy changes and a certain large highsec corporation that pushed hard for those changes to happen.
EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
1034
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:I'll join the crowd and sayGǪ The Apostle wrote:Suicide ganking IS an issue. How so? You've not answered this yet.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
671
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:50:00 -
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[quote=MalcanisSo.... working as intended, then. Miners become fewer in number, prices inevitably rise as supplies decrease, player actions have changed the economy. What you see as a problem, others see as the point of the game. [/quote] You give yourself too much credit. I haven't mined in almost 3 months. I've got so much coin that bothering to drag a Hulk out for 3m/hr holds no meaning anymore.
Mission are so ho-hum it's boring. 0.0 is a veritable kindygarten full of spoiled brats and Incursions are just another type of mission dressed up to look like something interesting.
These days I just cruise around lowsec and WH's stargazing.
But you continue in your mindless quest at trolling me. You're my fave forum toy. Gives meaning to having an account.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
672
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:58:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Tippia wrote:I'll join the crowd and sayGǪ The Apostle wrote:Suicide ganking IS an issue. How so? You've not answered this yet. Answered what? I stated an opinion. You disagree. It's not deserved a question.
Oh sorry. [Apostle makes a fake double take]
Because Tippia asked? That makes it a question? Go back and read all of Tippia's posts. That's all she ever does. Why, What, How, When. She never actually contributes, just likes to argue for the sake of it....
If you told her the sky was blue she'd say "How?", "Prove it?", "Why?". She's as boring as a dead cat in a paddock and about as effective as one too.
Go find a different rag to chew on Mags. Like Tippia, if you need it answered you're in the wrong thread. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
1034
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:05:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Mag's wrote:Tippia wrote:I'll join the crowd and sayGǪ The Apostle wrote:Suicide ganking IS an issue. How so? You've not answered this yet. Answered what? I stated an opinion. You disagree. It's not deserved a question. Oh sorry. [Apostle makes a fake double take] Because Tippia asked? That makes it a question? Go back and read all of Tippia's posts. That's all she ever does. Why, What, How, When. She never actually contributes, just likes to argue for the sake of it.... If you told her the sky was blue she'd say "How?", "Prove it?", "Why?". She's as boring as a dead cat in a paddock and about as effective as one too. Go find a different rag to chew on Mags. Like Tippia, if you need it answered you're in the wrong thread. That was quite a long winded why of saying, "I have no answer".
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
672
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:09:00 -
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Mag's wrote:The Apostle wrote:Mag's wrote:Tippia wrote:I'll join the crowd and sayGǪ The Apostle wrote:Suicide ganking IS an issue. How so? You've not answered this yet. Answered what? I stated an opinion. You disagree. It's not deserved a question. Oh sorry. [Apostle makes a fake double take] Because Tippia asked? That makes it a question? Go back and read all of Tippia's posts. That's all she ever does. Why, What, How, When. She never actually contributes, just likes to argue for the sake of it.... If you told her the sky was blue she'd say "How?", "Prove it?", "Why?". She's as boring as a dead cat in a paddock and about as effective as one too. Go find a different rag to chew on Mags. Like Tippia, if you need it answered you're in the wrong thread. That was quite a long winded why of saying, "I have no answer". You didn't get the hint?
It was actually a polite way of telling you to stfu. You're boring. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
122
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:17:00 -
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The Apostle wrote: 1. And the difference between you and me Mittens. I can "confess". I have nothing to fear, nothing to hide. I don't need my knob polished to stay happy.
2. But I sure am annoyed that you didn't read the intent of this thread and see where I'm going with it. I thought we'd actually agree on some points.
3. Highsec needs your help. Shake out your bad guys and go get some missioners as well. Fleet drop some Incursion ops. Shake them up too. Root out ALL of the evil isk makers in highsec and make them pay for their folly.
Bah. Wasted yeah?
4. I seemed doomed to eternal damnation because I post, not for what I post. That's a shame coming from a game with a supposed IQ greater than the norm.
The numbering above is mine.
1. The difference between you and The Mittani is that you do not have the responsibility of running a huge Corporation with numerous Alliances. You have nothing to lose, nothing to hide, because you do not have the responsibilities. The Mittani is happy when his plans unfold - things are working as intended, he does not need his knob polished.
2. You may be annoyed but really, you post and keep flip-flopping with your ideas and suggestions - and then apologise for doing so. You write without forethought, without thinking things through properly and you want The Mittani - or anyone else for that matter - to agree with you on some points ? Methinks not.
3. Highsec needs your help...pathetic. That has nothing to do with The Mittani, why don't you do something about it ? If you were aware of what the cause and effect was and is of Gallente ice, you would not have felt some need to write that. Read what The Mittani wrote about Tobacco farmers. Affect Missioners in Highsec, what, have you finally lost your ability to think ? How on Earth are they even close to affecting the Alliances and the War ? Dream on.
4. It's a shame yes, to see someone with your supposed Intellect stooping to multiple suggestions and definitions which invariably contradict each other. Yes, you are damned in that respect.
Your major failing is blaming everything you do not like on the Goons. Your major failing is blaming everything you want to see happen but isn't, on the Goons not doing it. Sound familiar ?
'Nuff said. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
672
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:26:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:The Apostle wrote: 1. And the difference between you and me Mittens. I can "confess". I have nothing to fear, nothing to hide. I don't need my knob polished to stay happy.
2. But I sure am annoyed that you didn't read the intent of this thread and see where I'm going with it. I thought we'd actually agree on some points.
3. Highsec needs your help. Shake out your bad guys and go get some missioners as well. Fleet drop some Incursion ops. Shake them up too. Root out ALL of the evil isk makers in highsec and make them pay for their folly.
Bah. Wasted yeah?
4. I seemed doomed to eternal damnation because I post, not for what I post. That's a shame coming from a game with a supposed IQ greater than the norm.
The numbering above is mine. 1. The difference between you and The Mittani is that you do not have the responsibility of running a huge Corporation with numerous Alliances. You have nothing to lose, nothing to hide, because you do not have the responsibilities. The Mittani is happy when his plans unfold - things are working as intended, he does not need his knob polished. 2. You may be annoyed but really, you post and keep flip-flopping with your ideas and suggestions - and then apologise for doing so. You write without forethought, without thinking things through properly and you want The Mittani - or anyone else for that matter - to agree with you on some points ? Methinks not. 3. Highsec needs your help...pathetic. That has nothing to do with The Mittani, why don't you do something about it ? I you were aware of what the cause and effect was and is of Gallente ice, you would not have felt some need to write that. Read what The Mittani wrote about Tobacco farmers. Affect Missioners in Highsec, what, have you finally lost your ability to think ? How on Earth are they even close to affecting the Alliances and the War ? Dream on. 4. It's a shame yes, to see someone with your supposed Intellect stooping to multiple suggestions and definitions which invariably contradict each other. Yes, you are damned in that respect. Your major failing is blaming everything you do not like on the Goons. Your major failing is blaming everything you want to see happen but isn't, on the Goons not doing it. Sound familiar ? 'Nuff said. Lolz. Mittens didn't fall for it. YOU did... Ya kissGoon. 
(Psst... I think if you put my posts over time into context you might see a pattern. I'm playing games. It's a forum - a great place to play games. I am getting sooooo killed in Eve sitting in a station all day fondling my coins.) Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
157
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:28:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:I like having my knob polished. If I go without that for very long, I get pretty cranky. http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2410#comic
EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
122
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:34:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Lolz. Mittens didn't fall for it. YOU did... Ya kissGoon.  (Psst... I think if you put my posts over time into context you might see a pattern. I'm playing games. It's a forum - a great place to play games. I am getting sooooo killed in Eve sitting in a station all day fondling my coins.)
If that's the best you have then it is no surprise that you feel your posts are damned.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
59
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:44:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:I made a really dumb post
Stopped reading there.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1029
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:57:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Answered what? How is suicide ganking an issue?
Quote:I stated an opinion. No, you made an emphatic, yet unsupported assertion: that suicide ganking IS an issue.
Quote:It's not deserved a question. All unsupported assertions are.
Quote:Because Tippia asked? That makes it a question? No. It's the question mark at the end of the sentence (or fragment) that makes it a question.
Quote:Go back and read all of Tippia's posts. That's all she ever does. Why, What, How, When. She never actually contributes, just likes to argue for the sake of it.... GǪand in doing so, I contribute far more than the people who make unsupported assertions, because I actually try to discover some answers. The problem is that it's so very rare that people have any, and then the thread shifts to them trying to avoid having to come up with any (which just makes the lack of answers even more obvious and egregious) and me trying to make then think about what they say (which is apparently an unforgivable sin). GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
672
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:Go back and read all of Tippia's posts. That's all she ever does. Why, What, How, When. She never actually contributes, just likes to argue for the sake of it.... GǪand in doing so, I contribute far more than the people who make unsupported assertions, because I actually try to discover some answers. The problem is that it's so very rare that people have any, and then the thread shifts to them trying to avoid having to come up with any (which just makes the lack of answers even more obvious and egregious) and me trying to make then think about what they say (which is apparently an unforgivable sin). Yes. Of course you do.
You're not interested in answers per se. You fragment discussions to find a point of contention. You then create a question out of an isolated sentence and play the sanctimonious intellectual when people can't be bothered answering the questions you manufacture.
You repeatedly type the same question over and over and exclaiming loudly when people won't play "bite the bait", as you did again in this post (mostly deleted for brevity).
You don't contribute to debate. You simply inflate your self-declared importance by huffing and puffing like a tenacious terrier barking at a plastic bone. You're rhetoric is easily played and just as quickly discarded...
EDIT: btw, The comment "...I actually try to discover some answers...... The problem is that it's so very rare that people have any" is quite funny and is the very point I make. A reread of your post allowed me the discovery. It's a clue Tippia. A clue. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
672
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:26:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:The Apostle wrote:I made a really dumb post Stopped reading there. Aren't you the clever one. Took you longer to type some moronic comment.
But yeah, I saw "Zagdull posted to your forum thread" and expected no less either.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
672
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:31:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:The Apostle wrote:Lolz. Mittens didn't fall for it. YOU did... Ya kissGoon.  (Psst... I think if you put my posts over time into context you might see a pattern. I'm playing games. It's a forum - a great place to play games. I am getting sooooo killed in Eve sitting in a station all day fondling my coins.) If that's the best you have then it is no surprise that you feel your posts are damned. And if my tongue was pushed any further into my cheek when I said that I'd need plastic surgery. I have no remorse and no compunction to suck up to anyone. I don't need forum "loving" to exist and I sure as hell ain't begging for it.
I'm cool with my inane and irreverant silliness. When I am being inanely and irreverantly silly of course. Other times I might be just taking the ****. It's a game ain't it? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1031
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:34:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:You're not interested in answers per se. Of course I am. Otherwise I would ask for them.
Quote:You fragment discussions to find a point of contention. No. I question the assumptions and assertions that created the discussion.
Quote:You then create a question out of an isolated sentence and play the sanctimonious intellectual when people can't be bothered answering the questions you manufacture. GǪor, more accurately, I question the assumptions and assertions that created the discussion, and get suspicious when people are not able to back them up with anything, because this hits at them being false, or at least based on false premises.
Quote:You repeatedly type the same question over and over and exclaiming loudly when people won't play "bite the bait", as you did again in this post (mostly deleted for brevity). No, I repeat them because as it becomes increasingly apparent that the assertions and assumptions have very little basis, I am interested to find out where they're coming from and why they're being thrown around as supposedly self-apparent facts.
By the way, how is suicide ganking an issue? It's kind of important to know if we are going to discuss alternativesGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
672
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:You're not interested in answers per se. Of course I am. Otherwise I would ask for them. Quote:You fragment discussions to find a point of contention. No. I question the assumptions and assertions that created the discussion. Quote:You then create a question out of an isolated sentence and play the sanctimonious intellectual when people can't be bothered answering the questions you manufacture. GǪor, more accurately, I question the assumptions and assertions that created the discussion, and get suspicious when people are not able to back them up with anything, because this hits at them being false, or at least based on false premises. Quote:You repeatedly type the same question over and over and exclaiming loudly when people won't play "bite the bait", as you did again in this post (mostly deleted for brevity). No, I repeat them because as it becomes increasingly apparent that the assertions and assumptions have very little basis, I am interested to find out where they're coming from and why they're being thrown around as supposedly self-apparent facts. By the way, how is suicide ganking an issue? It's kind of important to know if we are going to discuss alternativesGǪ Yer doing it again Sunshine.
.... and lollipops.
btw: It WAS answered way long ago. I said ASK THE VICTIMS. You came back with a "oh clever me" incorrect assertion so you musta missed the point yeah?
I did add an edit to my last response to you. Better pick up on it. It's quite funny. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Jita Alt666
423
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:48:00 -
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Start a blog Apostle. |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
683
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:51:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Start a blog Apostle. If you're being nice saying that then yeah, good idea. If you're being nasty, then yeah, good idea.
But nah. Much more fun here playing with my toys. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
10
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:54:00 -
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Not an issue... been ganked, my own fault... life goes on.
I do like the war dec a corp forever plan lol. Could have them pay to be undeced so they could leave rofl. |

Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:09:00 -
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I don't think suicide ganking is the issue here - it's been around since the beginning and it is right that nobody is completely safe anywhere.
The problem is with the way mining works, and with the ships that miners have to use. Miners have to sit stationary in isolated locations for extended periods of time. Mining ships have poor tanks, and if fit to optimise their mining ability they have almost no tank at all.
They have ways to mitigate the risks (and as they have all been repeated dozens of times in 100's of threads I won't repeat them here) but none of them really works.
By making player mining such a broken profession CCP play into the hands of the botters.
Re-designing mining ships to give them greater survivability is one way to improve the situation, but the profession would still be bot friendly. What they need to do is to re-design the mining profession. Get rid of mining ships completely and implement a deployable mining platform that would be anchored in a belt to do the actual mining, and change the miners role to "defender of the mining platform" |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1035
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:16:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Yer doing it again Sunshine. ...since you can't answer the question.
Quote:It WAS answered way long ago. I said ASK THE VICTIMS. You came back with a "oh clever me" incorrect assertion so you musta missed the point yeah? No, I came back with a question. You see, you made the assertion, so you back it up. Your answer can mean two things as far as I can see:
1. You have asked them, and have an aswer, but aren't willing to provide it for some unknown reason. 2. You have not, and thus can't provide an answer.
So I ask you: how is sucidiing an issue? Do you know? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

baltec1
156
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:53:00 -
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Whats all this piffle? |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
706
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:Yer doing it again Sunshine. ...since you can't answer the question. Quote:It WAS answered way long ago. I said ASK THE VICTIMS. You came back with a "oh clever me" incorrect assertion so you musta missed the point yeah? No, I came back with a question. You see, you made the assertion, so you back it up. Your answer can mean two things as far as I can see: 1. You have asked them, and have an aswer, but aren't willing to provide it for some unknown reason. 2. You have not, and thus can't provide an answer. So I ask you: how is sucidiing an issue? Do you know? Yer STILL doin' it. Sigh.
Like I said before numbnuts, ASK the victims. It IS a problem for them. In ADDITION to the fact that only miners are easy enough targets for gankers BECAUSE of Concord intervention. No other play type is affected by the gank mechanic.
If you had READ my original post you'd have seen that but like I said, you extract a single sentence and play "20 posts" playing some kind of intellectual mindgame. You're beyond belief dude.
If you REALLY want to discuss my point, with some expertise, best you learn what happens when you're ganked. So how about I hire a merc corp to come get ya? After you been ganked 20 times, then you can ask me the question again. Up to it? You REALLY want answers?
Just so ya know, my alt scout can't find you atm and the locator agent gave me bad info. I got more work to do yet. You'll have to take a raincheck Sunshine.
... and lollipops... Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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baltec1
156
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:07:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:
Like I said before numbnuts, ASK the victims. It IS a problem for them. In ADDITION to the fact that only miners are easy enough targets for gankers BECAUSE of Concord intervention. No other play type is affected by the gank mechanic.
Well thats not true. |

Psychophantic
82
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:So I ask you: how is sucidiing an issue? Do you know?
Why isn't it an issue?
Everything else is an issue. Ship spinning, Incarna, Nex, FiS, FW, WiS, WHABC, Dust, WoD, Hilmar, log in screens, sound, etc etc etc....
Seems someones got an issue with everything, except for suicide ganking because you've declared that it's not an issue.
Never stop posting Apostle, go back to making eve is dying spreadsheets Tippy.
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