How is it one sided - you can kill a mission ship just as easily. Some energy neuts kill most active tanks (which good mission runners use) meaning they can't rep which means the rats + you kill them. Also fit damage type that they arn't tanked against. Almost 0 risk and you don't get your ship raeped by concord.

Needless to say in low sec and nullsec combat vessels get blown up all the time. What is the problem with suicide ganking ?

I wonder why it is when Tippia post something with a lot of quote in.. i cant read it....
Must be something with my eyes..

Yes. Let's add the people who are already on those killmails. Wait what?

I wonder why it is when Tippia post something with a lot of quote in.. i cant read it....
Must be something with my eyes..

I made a really dumb post the other day. I expected half an effort by miners when I suggested miners make a stand to get a mechanic changed. I flew into 100's of systems chasing support and all I was met with is "it'll never work". And with some reflection I'm inclined to think that's true. Not because CCP won't change (they do and have), but because miners are (and I say this without malice) selfish and lazy.

With hindsight, the post and the idea was dumb.

I make this post in an attempt to counter the problem with some thought rather then belligerence.

Suicide ganking IS an issue. There have been countless posts on the topic, from haha posts to steps to mitigate the risk. All valid to some degree but none really address why it happens.

Many arguments stem from the fact that miners should not be risk free and nor should they be able to make isk risk free. It's said that it should be allowed for 'economic' reasons ad nauseum.

However, the same should also be said for mission runners but we know they can't be ganked without serious firepower and dedication. So the whole concept of preventing "risk free income" in highsec is void right there.

If we accept that this is the reasoning behind ganking, we must also ask why suicide ganking is actually neccessary. Why not war-dec and get the free kill? No Concord and no sec status hit. Why indeed?

It's because half the miners (an assumption) sit in NPC corps - many are bots. Even if they join a "real" corp they can simply hop corps on a war-dec. They have MADE mining a relatively risk free pasttime and suicide ganking is the ONLY way to counter it.

With this in mind why should we not seek changes to provide for greater PvP opportunities AND allow for both economic, strategic and tactical advantages by killing both miners AND missioners.

This can only be done with 2 changes imho

1) Remove the ability to stay in an NPC for greater than some arbitrary time. (eg: 90 days). Failure to join a corp involves seizure of assets until you do.

2) Once a war-dec has been declared, NO members can either leave or join during the declaration.

Ofc, the miners still need some kind of protection from mindless violence when there are now more ways to kill them, validly and legitimately. An inability to target unarmed vessels UNLESS war-decced is a potential option.

And ofc, there are those that say this makes for 'consensual PvP' and to some extent it does. But war-dec mechanics exist in highsec for a reason and we should be making these mechanics far more effective. At the moment they're as good as pointless.

The alternative is to invalidate the entire concept of highsec, remove the neccessity to war-dec, remove Concord and let players decide who lives or dies. A true sandbox.

To be frank, it won't make the slightest difference to miners whether highsec, Concord or any such measures exist. They're dying anyway. Let's get highsec missioners and all other risk free isk makers in on the killmails as well.

Discuss....

You got it. That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. But my reasons are not so obvious.

By doing as I am suggesting, "fighting men" will become targets ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, EVERY WHERE.

They ALL use highsec for SAFETY because they CANNOT be reasonably ganked before Concord. This very safety allows THEM to fly around as long as those that cannot tank are dead meat.

And the whole while, MINERS and UNARMED industrials should STOP WHINING because they ARE targets. "Sandbox", "This is Eve" ad nauseam.

My point is to prove that "fighting men" DO NOT want this. It's a double bluff and the responses are proving this very fact.

Miners are already stuffed. Let's ADD missioners, Incursion runners and EVERY combat vessel to higshec killmails and stop being shallow, lazy cowards with excuses that do NOT apply to the people saying it.

They will fight this because it will **** up THEIR game. I knew this BEFORE I posted. It's why I did. Some people just haven't worked it out yet.

+1

Double post.

I say keep the ganking of hulks in hisec up. Eventually you'll either end up with no more targets to shoot, or no more game to play.

However, the same should also be said for mission runners but we know they can't be ganked without serious firepower and dedication. So the whole concept of preventing "risk free income" in highsec is void right there.

What? Ships that are designed to fight and have serious tanks are hard to gank? Who wouldve guessed that?

I have really good alternative(s) for suicide ganking!!


-Don't be AFK

That's easier said than done, have you ever mined?

Why yes I have.

I decided very quickly it's much more fun to destroy the bots that make mining not profitable for real players, and thus was Hulkageddon Born.

So because you found it boring and you realised they could be easy targets, you decided to destroy them. That figures.

You didn't get the hint?

It was actually a polite way of telling you to stfu. You're boring.

you say that like it's a bad thing

Can't say I'm a big fan of Hulkagedden, even though I've not mined for years. Don't think there was even Hulkagedden back then.


Group of players just picking on soft targets just because they can, then patting each other on the back afterwards and bragging about killmails.

Don't think it does much for the game as a whole, but I'm sure those involved would disagree.

Why yes I have.

I decided very quickly it's much more fun to destroy the bots that make mining not profitable for real players, and thus was Hulkageddon Born.

Can't say I'm a big fan of Hulkagedden, even though I've not mined for years. Don't think there was even Hulkagedden back then.


Group of players just picking on soft targets just because they can, then patting each other on the back afterwards and bragging about killmails.

Don't think it does much for the game as a whole, but I'm sure those involved would disagree.

those poor bots!!!!

Do you Goons keep yours in the stations when Hulkageddon is going on?

5b in a week? But I can't tell you how..... Yeah sure.

Buying plex for RL and selling 'em? You can do that in an hour.

I've been playing 3 years with 7 chars. I've done WH's, 0.0, had mulitple POS's doing multi billion isk BPO's, missioning with 3 x 40m SP chars, marketing with capital investment in the 10's of billions and I have NEVER made that kind of money.

So unless it's using market bots or 0.0 bots you didn't come close.

I can state I pulled 6b last week dumping my accumulated assets because I am stuck for something to do. But I sure as hell don't make it every week, that's for sure.

I make the call it's either RL involvement or illegal acts.

ahaha look how dumb you are

goons are known for their love of mining, right?

This can only be done with 2 changes imho

1) Remove the ability to stay in an NPC for greater than some arbitrary time. (eg: 90 days). Failure to join a corp involves seizure of assets until you do.

2) Once a war-dec has been declared, NO members can either leave or join during the declaration.

Discuss....