It's Eve. The weak die trying, the strong get to run away.

The great unsaid here....why not find other PvP-ers and shoot your hearts out (literally)? You shoot. They shoot. You shoot...

Why drag the entire EVE population into some psychopathic hunger for chaos? Why can't the ones who like to do it, do it. The ones who aren't interested as their interests lie elsewhere NOT do it?

The great unsaid...honestly answer that. Why?

So you think that all the miners, who probably mine because it can be done semi passively, are suddenly going to jump for joy at the idea of some minigame being added to mining. I can see it being fun for 5 minutes. Now see them doing this minigame over and over every time you mine and then see if people still find it fun.

Let's not forget to add minigames to npcing, mission running and also pvp, weeeeeeeeee! Fun times ahead for all!

Infact, let's just take a page out of one of those Perfect World games and have everyone get 5 daily free spins on a lucky wheel, either you win an average amount of ore, a lot of ore, or you win an entire built ship. Win win!

I only mine because it doesn't require my full attention, if I wanted to play harder, I would dualbox missions instead.

Ah so basically you want free ISK without playing the game... I see.

Answer is NO........

Mission running is meant to be more profitable because its more risky, this is something that needs to be addressed and probably can easily be addressed by making the bots use closer to sleeper AI. Mission running vs bots IS a mini-game of it's own.

BTW, I've got billions of ISK, not rich in EvE scale but enough to keep me in sub-caps for a long while

The arguments being used against miners is totally and absolutely flawed.

This is an example of the devaluation of ISK that may be most damaging to this game. Billions of ISK.....but it's apparently not rich by EVE standards.

It tends to make for a throwaway culture. And it causes a huge gulf between those with it...and those trying to get it. It's also a creepy analogy for the real world.

The arguments being used against miners are fine...

Never fly a ship that you can't afford to lose.

Missioning can be done AFK exactly like mining.

Fully insured Domi. Check. Tank. Check. Aggro. Check. Drones. Check. Go watch TV. Dualbox means you got 2 domis doing it.

This is an example of the devaluation of ISK that may be most damaging to this game. Billions of ISK.....but it's apparently not rich by EVE standards.

It tends to make for a throwaway culture. And it causes a huge gulf between those with it...and those trying to get it. It's also a creepy analogy for the real world.

You're almost there. The arguments being used against miners are fine...they just need to be applied to other professions as well.

Oh and when I say 'in a week', I'm talking about 3-4 hours a day for that week.

You're almost there. The arguments being used against miners are fine...they just need to be applied to other professions as well.

5b in a week? But I can't tell you how..... Yeah sure.

Buying plex for RL and selling 'em? You can do that in an hour.

I've been playing 3 years with 7 chars. I've done WH's, 0.0, had mulitple POS's doing multi billion isk BPO's, missioning with 3 x 40m SP chars, marketing with capital investment in the 10's of billions and I have NEVER made that kind of money.

So unless it's using market bots or 0.0 bots you didn't come close.

I can state I pulled 6b last week dumping my accumulated assets because I am stuck for something to do. But I sure as hell don't make it every week, that's for sure.

I make the call it's either RL involvement or illegal acts.

so what everyone except PVPers and 0.0 alliances that nom moon goo and have mining bots then?

A lot of people in my alliance make billions of ISK from typing in a chat window for an hour at most.

But the 5b isk man can't do it every week for "3 or 4 hrs a day". If we could, then we wouldn't even need G**ns running market interference, nobody would care.

Actually, maintaining market orders for 3-4 hours a day can reasonably net you quite a bit more than 0.0 plex running.

For the record. None.

I dumped all my mining vessels because I can't be bothered anymore. As a single player running a couple of Hulks the risk is too great and the rewards far too small.

And that's my motivation against this crap. MY gameplay is being affected by a game mechanic that is risk free while I am subject to absolute destruction for pennies. I mined passively while I ran my business in RL. I was always active and never used bots.

But I'll be ****** if I have to sit and do all the crap neccessary to avoid death so somebody else can get their cheap thrills. The money I earn doing the mining paid for my efforts in lowsec ops and trying to move forward in the game.

As it is for soooo many people in Eve. THEIR style of gameplay, casual mining for low rewards, is being affected.

Considering your terrible stream of kneejerk anti-Goonswarm posts, I wanted to let you know that I felt a warm glow of pleasure to finally have this confession from you.

Your frustration - which we have caused - almost makes up for the bad threads you make.

EVE is a game about 'affecting the gameplay' of other players. That's literally the entire point of EVE. Miners impact gameplay by producing goods which are then sold and turned into warships, or fueling those warships. We impact gameplay by murdering them for it.

I've often wondered why you seem so blind yet so frustrated, and I think the answer is in the quoted post. Delightful!

I don't need my knob polished to stay happy.

Screw hisec ice miners. I have no sympathy. They produce war materiel while hiding under Concord and beg and plead for special protection while the products of their labor - which is mostly botted, as most ice miners seem to be cheats - are used to wreak havoc across nullsec. At least miners in low, wspace and null take risks to reap their rewards.

Let them burn.

People fly Minmatar supercaps?