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Cornette
Solar Revenue Service TAXU
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:00:00 -
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Charles Edisson wrote:Dont be silly, it's a galle ship. It's nieche is to look pretty when it dies.
This made me |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:40:00 -
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Well has it stands on SISI right now Talos is total crap.
Armor tank makes another brick, just another cause we didn't had enough.
DPS is ..... what is dps already?
Speed meh
maneuvrability meh
Tank meh
Shield tanked makes it a lot more agile, keeps a good top speed without being something extraordinary, aloud the use of 2 TE's and 2MFS's in lows with 1 DCII or another TE/MFS at your wish making the thin tank even worst, but you have some dps...
Ammo used: faction antimater for close range and lol NULL because it's better than faction iron....VOID you avoid it, has usual.
T2 ammo needs you CCP to give it some love, more than that that you love it really hard if you want that stuff to be worthy some day.
Because Tornado is another fracking pownmobile ready to come out, skirmish has snipe has gank has pos blah blah, this ship is just better at everything.
Thx so much for this hybrids rebalance |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club C0VEN
2
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:49:00 -
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CCP yours incompetence is killing me .... Good that I didn't give my credit card no# to CCP payments lol...
What are you doing there ? Not so much PPL has left the game ? Well... You are on good way to ruin it to game over .
All hands to hybrids!!! or ppl will get pissed.. Talos sucks and I may ask WTF is this ?? Tourist SHIP? Yacht ? ...
PS. Good that I subscribed only for one month... |
ViperLok
ExoGeni Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 02:33:00 -
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The Talos is perfect, If anything It needs a speed nerf. So I can keep killing Gallente ships in my Hulk. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2011.11.06 05:12:00 -
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you guys should test on SISI the sniper Tornado 1400, sniper/brawler Tornado 800, has most rusty ships, just perfect killing machine
Talos atm is very meh, either in tank or dps. didn't tested with the web bonus but obviously doesn't need, can't get in range before it's blown anyway.
The diemost s I've crossed are still diemost, maybe with more pg but still diemost, while the zealot ... nice ship for sure. |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.06 09:38:00 -
[276] - Quote
This ship is Pre-Nerfed becouse Hybirds will still suck even after the Hybird changes.
How about you give use a fun ship at least based off Drones. Thoughs are at least always fun and are the most used Gallente ships. Ya mainly becouse Hybirds suck but at least drones are fun still.
Ideal time and feel free to tell me I'm crazy after you read it all and think about how it would work.
Talos
While not endowed with any High slot weapon systems though's guys over at Creo Dron have out done them selfs this time. They have learned how to fit the Carriers uniq drone hardwired subsystem routins onto a Battle Cruiser at the cost of any other weapon system. And pushed the envolope of what mite be considered safe with drone AI.
Developer: Creo Dron
Role Bonus: 99% reduction in warfare Link module CPU needs. Can use 1 Warfare Link module.
Battlecruiser Skill bonus: +25 Drone Bandwidth and +50 Drone Bay per level. 10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones per level.
Speical Weapon System Bonus: 99.7% Reduction in Drone Control Unit 1 module CPU and Powergrid needs.
6 high slots 5 med slots 6 low slots
Drone Bandwidth 125m3 Drone Bay 375m3
And what ever cpu/powergride is needed or fair same for the mid's and low's.
But I realy think 6 highs is just right. It lets you fit max dps with a warfare link or you have to start giving up warfare link and dps for other high slot mods and it also forces you to give up high slot mods for more drone range. i.e. if you want to snip with Senterys you have to start feeding drone link augmentors into high slots lowering the amound of dps you can do not counting the Omnidrectionals tracking links eating up mids.
Max level Drone Bandwidth 250m3 Drone Bay 625m3
That will let you field 10 heavys or senterys. You can check EFT for the dps of a Dominx riged with 2x SDA is 538 for Garde 2's or double it for this ship at 1076. But keep in mind that's max dmg and drone rigs lower cpu so 2xSDA rigs pluse drone modes should turn you into a glass cannon.
And with out any SDA's your looking at around 450 dps or double it for this ship at 900.
I realy think the dps is on par with the other ships and one full flight of drones is 250m3 and it's your only weapon so the 625m3 drone bay is not that big.
And the Cargo hold needs to be halved as you will need to carry no ammo but to make it fair we need to lower the amount of cap boosters in there.
Ok thats just a ruff ideal for a fun Teir 3 BC. Reather then the Pre-Nerfted Hybird ship thats comeing are way. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2011.11.06 12:10:00 -
[277] - Quote
Rip Minner wrote:This ship is Pre-Nerfed becouse Hybirds will still suck even after the Hybird changes.
How about you give use a fun ship at least based off Drones. Thoughs are at least always fun and are the most used Gallente ships. Ya mainly becouse Hybirds suck but at least drones are fun still.
Ideal time and feel free to tell me I'm crazy after you read it all and think about how it would work.
Talos
While not endowed with any High slot weapon systems though's guys over at Creo Dron have out done them selfs this time. They have learned how to fit the Carriers uniq drone hardwired subsystem routins onto a Battle Cruiser at the cost of any other weapon system. And pushed the envolope of what mite be considered safe with drone AI.
Developer: Creo Dron
Role Bonus: 99% reduction in warfare Link module CPU needs. Can use 1 Warfare Link module.
Battlecruiser Skill bonus: +25 Drone Bandwidth and +50 Drone Bay per level. 10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones per level.
Speical Weapon System Bonus: 99.7% Reduction in Drone Control Unit 1 module CPU and Powergrid needs.
6 high slots 5 med slots 6 low slots
Drone Bandwidth 125m3 Drone Bay 375m3
And what ever cpu/powergride is needed or fair same for the mid's and low's.
But I realy think 6 highs is just right. It lets you fit max dps with a warfare link or you have to start giving up warfare link and dps for other high slot mods and it also forces you to give up high slot mods for more drone range. i.e. if you want to snip with Senterys you have to start feeding drone link augmentors into high slots lowering the amound of dps you can do not counting the Omnidrectionals tracking links eating up mids.
Max level Drone Bandwidth 250m3 Drone Bay 625m3
That will let you field 10 heavys or senterys. You can check EFT for the dps of a Dominx riged with 2x SDA is 538 for Garde 2's or double it for this ship at 1076. But keep in mind that's max dmg and drone rigs lower cpu so 2xSDA rigs pluse drone modes should turn you into a glass cannon.
And with out any SDA's your looking at around 450 dps or double it for this ship at 900.
I realy think the dps is on par with the other ships and one full flight of drones is 250m3 and it's your only weapon so the 625m3 drone bay is not that big and it still makes the loss of drones harmfull if it go's on to long or aoe dmg is cleaning the clock on your drones.
And the Cargo hold needs to be halved as you will need to carry no ammo but to make it fair we need to lower the amount of cap boosters in there.
Ok thats just a ruff ideal for a fun Teir 3 BC. Reather then the Pre-Nerfted Hybird ship thats comeing are way.
Well to be honest I'd like to test this setup, the extra drone control unit would just make so fun to use.
The single problem I can see with is the fact that this ship would still be stuck in pve role or very small gang role. Drones can be popped, a single smart bomb or Burst ECM and that's it you have 0dps. While I agree those drone boats are the preferred boat of almost every gallente starter pilot it's just because they don't have that much choice, If I could fit a full 8 cruise launchers on my Hyperion believe me I wouldn't bother with hybrids any more.
Has you just said in another post, CCP will have to comem to the conclusion they just can't keep the shortest range weapon system in the game where everything else has range, dps, dmg selection or/and application. IF they do then they clearly don't give a f++ck about hybrids and balance and just need to keep one race on the bottom so even idiots can have easy killmails. This is exactly where Gallente sub caps stands. |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
13
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Posted - 2011.11.06 12:22:00 -
[278] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Rip Minner wrote:This ship is Pre-Nerfed becouse Hybirds will still suck even after the Hybird changes.
How about you give use a fun ship at least based off Drones. Thoughs are at least always fun and are the most used Gallente ships. Ya mainly becouse Hybirds suck but at least drones are fun still.
Ideal time and feel free to tell me I'm crazy after you read it all and think about how it would work.
Talos
While not endowed with any High slot weapon systems though's guys over at Creo Dron have out done them selfs this time. They have learned how to fit the Carriers uniq drone hardwired subsystem routins onto a Battle Cruiser at the cost of any other weapon system. And pushed the envolope of what mite be considered safe with drone AI.
Developer: Creo Dron
Role Bonus: 99% reduction in warfare Link module CPU needs. Can use 1 Warfare Link module.
Battlecruiser Skill bonus: +25 Drone Bandwidth and +50 Drone Bay per level. 10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones per level.
Speical Weapon System Bonus: 99.7% Reduction in Drone Control Unit 1 module CPU and Powergrid needs.
6 high slots 5 med slots 6 low slots
Drone Bandwidth 125m3 Drone Bay 375m3
And what ever cpu/powergride is needed or fair same for the mid's and low's.
But I realy think 6 highs is just right. It lets you fit max dps with a warfare link or you have to start giving up warfare link and dps for other high slot mods and it also forces you to give up high slot mods for more drone range. i.e. if you want to snip with Senterys you have to start feeding drone link augmentors into high slots lowering the amound of dps you can do not counting the Omnidrectionals tracking links eating up mids.
Max level Drone Bandwidth 250m3 Drone Bay 625m3
That will let you field 10 heavys or senterys. You can check EFT for the dps of a Dominx riged with 2x SDA is 538 for Garde 2's or double it for this ship at 1076. But keep in mind that's max dmg and drone rigs lower cpu so 2xSDA rigs pluse drone modes should turn you into a glass cannon.
And with out any SDA's your looking at around 450 dps or double it for this ship at 900.
I realy think the dps is on par with the other ships and one full flight of drones is 250m3 and it's your only weapon so the 625m3 drone bay is not that big and it still makes the loss of drones harmfull if it go's on to long or aoe dmg is cleaning the clock on your drones.
And the Cargo hold needs to be halved as you will need to carry no ammo but to make it fair we need to lower the amount of cap boosters in there.
Ok thats just a ruff ideal for a fun Teir 3 BC. Reather then the Pre-Nerfted Hybird ship thats comeing are way. Well to be honest I'd like to test this setup, the extra drone control unit would just make so fun to use. The single problem I can see with is the fact that this ship would still be stuck in pve role or very small gang role. Drones can be popped, a single smart bomb or Burst ECM and that's it you have 0dps. While I agree those drone boats are the preferred boat of almost every gallente starter pilot it's just because they don't have that much choice, If I could fit a full 8 cruise launchers on my Hyperion believe me I wouldn't bother with hybrids any more. Has you just said in another post, CCP will have to comem to the conclusion they just can't keep the shortest range weapon system in the game where everything else has range, dps, dmg selection or/and application. IF they do then they clearly don't give a f++ck about hybrids and balance and just need to keep one race on the bottom so even idiots can have easy killmails. This is exactly where Gallente sub caps stands.
Well this is true but even with Hybird set up you get nuted zero dps or cap booster limit number of thoughs with ammo in hanger. same with limited number of drones in bay. But like I said I just think this thing would be way funner to play both in PVE and at least have a fighting shot at pvp too. You would only lose all drones to smart bombs all at once if you droped your drones all in one place. Drop one or two at a time as your moving for pvp for senterys. But hay if people start carrying smart bombs all the time for fighting Talos then I would say thats a job well done.
And at this point I do think they clearly dont give a two ***** and a giggle about Hybirds. But at least were geting Tech 2 ammo's worked on and much needed fitting fixs. And even a small boost to Rails. We have just taken Caldires place as the pve race right now.
Well I mean if you dont count ships like the Valgur for speed pve. |
Infininte escher
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 15:05:00 -
[279] - Quote
hybrid's still suck but i became gallente for the drones, remove most or all high slots make it a sentry specialist able to drop 10 sentry's (in a grouped moded to possibley hold back on lag) |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2011.11.06 15:18:00 -
[280] - Quote
Check this out
Just saw it from another thread.
SISI is going crazy |
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:21:00 -
[281] - Quote
tornado is so broken |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
20
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:34:00 -
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ViperLok wrote:The Talos is perfect, If anything It needs a speed nerf. So I can keep killing Gallente ships in my Hulk.
Needs speed nerf ? Check Sisi. CCP created new lol gang modules and i saw on test server again a vagabond which flew over 16k speed. LOL CCP and their logic ? Who understand them ? |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
13
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:54:00 -
[283] - Quote
Thats just awsome! Winter Expation 2011 Trust in Rust |
Machti Nutako
Internet Spaceships Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 04:08:00 -
[284] - Quote
Rip Minner wrote:Thats just awsome! Winter Expation 2011 Trust in Rust
Im pretty sure its in rust we trust, but that works too |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
15
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Posted - 2011.11.07 07:06:00 -
[285] - Quote
Machti Nutako wrote:Rip Minner wrote:Thats just awsome! Winter Expation 2011 Trust in Rust Im pretty sure its in rust we trust, but that works too
Ya but the time spand has been years now and added to the New useless Hybird BC and the Hybird/Tech 2 ammo changes that looks like it's going to buff Auto Cannons even more then Blasters.
I felt it was time we reworked that saying alittle. |
Gabrielle Rammaninov
19th Star Logistics Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 07:35:00 -
[286] - Quote
Yeah "awsome" ... at the moment on SISI the Talos has neither drones or web bonus ... that's so logical on a pvp large turret ship... hurray for the whiners. So what's the advantage over a Mega with the same dps, more tank, more med slots, drones and prolly very close price wise. |
Gustav Knuttsen
Billionaires Club C0VEN
1
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Posted - 2011.11.07 12:50:00 -
[287] - Quote
Gabrielle Rammaninov wrote:Yeah "awsome" ... at the moment on SISI the Talos has neither drones or web bonus ... that's so logical on a pvp large turret ship... hurray for the whiners. So what's the advantage over a Mega with the same dps, more tank, more med slots, drones and prolly very close price wise.
You dont understand !!!! Its tourist ship !!! YACHT !! Dont be idiot gallente are peaceful race we don't need any weapons !
CCP please Nerf Gallente they are OP as Hell we want peace love and unity ! |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2011.11.07 18:53:00 -
[288] - Quote
Gustav Knuttsen wrote:Gabrielle Rammaninov wrote:Yeah "awsome" ... at the moment on SISI the Talos has neither drones or web bonus ... that's so logical on a pvp large turret ship... hurray for the whiners. So what's the advantage over a Mega with the same dps, more tank, more med slots, drones and prolly very close price wise. You dont understand !!!! Its tourist ship !!! YACHT !! Dont be idiot gallente are peaceful race we don't need any weapons ! CCP please Nerf Gallente they are OP as Hell we want peace love and unity !
That's why I fly Angel and Minmatar stuff over my first race, I'm a rebel !!
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Angeliena
Eye of God Controlled Chaos
1
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:03:00 -
[289] - Quote
If you remove the ship's web bonus, then pealse increase the game's base T2 web strength to 75%. |
Red Teufel
Eternity Inc
12
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:07:00 -
[290] - Quote
brutix is still better then the talos atm on the sisi server. |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2011.11.08 22:53:00 -
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Angeliena wrote:If you remove the ship's web bonus, then pealse increase the game's base T2 web strength to 75%.
Well actually I must agree on the fact that stronger web bonus on this ship would be in direct conflict with the purpose of this ship witch is to hit/melt same size stuff and above.
I've started by thinking this wasn't fair to take it out, but when you think about it the regular web already helps a lot on shooting cruisers but it's the same for every gun type when their purpose is to blow big stuff but be vulnerable against smaller stuff.
Once again if the new changes for guns, reload 5sec, ammo size is kept, then is the ship that needs tweaks to actually have the maneuvrability/bonus to use it's guns properly.
Imho, teh ammo is still in need of changes, too many different ranges when -50, 0, + 35(new) and +60 would be enough for all kind of rails situations, blasters T2 ammo need trcking penalty removed, cap penalty removed and probably some +% dmg on top for long range T2
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Blind Furry
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:38:00 -
[292] - Quote
I find it interesting that the ship players seem to feel need fixing before it's released has been dropped from the sticky threads but the other 3 that are getting + reviews haven't |
MIrple
Full Bore Inc Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:54:00 -
[293] - Quote
So this is one thing I have not seen said yet to make the Close range Blaster Boat work is to give it a +1 to warp so it makes the kiting ships come in close if they want to pin it down it not they can just warp away. |
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
25
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Posted - 2011.11.12 01:33:00 -
[294] - Quote
Looks like a beautiful ship, one of the best in the gal fleet, but I'm forced to pre-judge it as a failure vs most any target i can think of ( except the Naga which might be worse ).
When AC's, which are supposed to be a close range weapon, can hit at 30+ and Pulse can easily hit out of web and scram range you're just going to DIAF with this ship.
Unless there's a NOS button on the dashboard this will be relegated to level 3's in no time it seems. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
399
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Posted - 2011.11.12 02:15:00 -
[295] - Quote
Blind Furry wrote:I find it interesting that the ship players seem to feel need fixing before it's released has been dropped from the sticky threads but the other 3 that are getting + reviews haven't
Let it drop, seems you didn't understood yet that 3 years and hundreds of pages of players feedback were useless and the new sticky's are mostly...jokes? (hybrids/ammo stuff allente bc)
Come back after the expansion see why it's a loss of our time. I'l receive you with my new Tornado's hugs
Edit: Because I can ! |
Etyrnyl
Divine Assembly of Forgotten Travelers Peregrine Nation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:50:00 -
[296] - Quote
I have been playing on Sisi a bit with the Talos, and have created a fit, which would be all out carnage. Although, this fit does not have much of a tank resistance wise, it dishes out some serious damage.
[High] 8X Netron Blaster II
[Med] 10 MN MWD Stasis Webifier II 2 Large Shield Extenders II's
[Low] 3X Magnetic Field Stabilizer II's 2X Tracking Enhancer II's
Unfortunately, no drones
Using T2 ammo, I get 1150 dps with Void, 822 dps with Null. Ranges are 8774 m with Void, 14.6 km with Null. Falloffs are 9833 m with Void, 24.5 km with Null. Ship speed is 275 m/s without MWD, 1550 m/s with MWD. Eve effective HP are 16,262. Targeting range is 87.5 km, Sig radius is 270. |
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
25
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:36:00 -
[297] - Quote
[quote=Etyrnyl]I have been playing on Sisi a bit with the Talos, and have created a fit, which would be all out carnage. Although, this fit does not have much of a tank resistance wise, it dishes out some serious damage.
[High] 8X Netron Blaster II
[Med] 10 MN MWD Stasis Webifier II 2 Large Shield Extenders II's
[Low] 3X Magnetic Field Stabilizer II's 2X Tracking Enhancer II's
Using T2 ammo, I get 1150 dps with Void, 822 dps with Null. Ranges are 8774 m with Void, 14.6 km with Null. Falloffs are 9833 m with Void, 24.5 km with Null. Ship speed is 275 m/s without MWD, 1550 m/s with MWD.
It's hard to judge the exact fit in the Win-Nado vid referenced above but it seems to use dual webs so that means it's up close in void range and with the same dual LSE 2 tank as this talos is should melt.
8774+9833 for Void = anything close enough to web or scram you dies ( if you can track it )
14.6 + 24.5 for Null = anything that tries to kite you with a point had better have a good tank.
It's not like this bc gets the usual and semi useless rep bonus or an armor resist bonus so this might turn out to be not so bad after all.
With this kind of dps you can even consider dropping the 3'rd mag stab for something equally useful, OD, Nano Fiber, or an I-Stab.
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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
34
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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:00:00 -
[298] - Quote
Blind Furry wrote:I find it interesting that the ship players seem to feel need fixing before it's released has been dropped from the sticky threads but the other 3 that are getting + reviews haven't
Ya that is kind of funny but I honstly think that the Caldira ship is just as bad off as we are and there post is still stickied.
But that just mite mean that there going to fix the Caldira ship by leting it have some good old missile fun. But were still stuck with Hybirds on Gallente.
But for real the Gallente one would be better off if they just droped the hybird weapons off of it and let it have a massive drone bay and double bandwidth and launch 10 drones at one time.
Edit: But that would probly just reeks to much of Fail Hybird balanceing and after how many years now? |
Ikarus Gaul
Eiffel Integrated
63
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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:14:00 -
[299] - Quote
Blind Furry wrote:I find it interesting that the ship players seem to feel need fixing before it's released has been dropped from the sticky threads but the other 3 that are getting + reviews haven't
This leaves me with a sense of foreboding ... the bad traits and practices of yore at CCP return, a retreat from the hard choices necessary to achieve game balance?
I hope I'm wrong... |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
399
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Posted - 2011.11.12 16:30:00 -
[300] - Quote
Etyrnyl wrote:I have been playing on Sisi a bit with the Talos, and have created a fit, which would be all out carnage. Although, this fit does not have much of a tank resistance wise, it dishes out some serious damage.
[High] 8X Netron Blaster II
[Med] 10 MN MWD Stasis Webifier II 2 Large Shield Extenders II's
[Low] 3X Magnetic Field Stabilizer II's 2X Tracking Enhancer II's
Unfortunately, no drones
Using T2 ammo, I get 1150 dps with Void, 822 dps with Null. Ranges are 8774 m with Void, 14.6 km with Null. Falloffs are 9833 m with Void, 24.5 km with Null. Ship speed is 275 m/s without MWD, 1550 m/s with MWD. Eve effective HP are 16,262. Targeting range is 87.5 km, Sig radius is 270.
Again this is the set up I've tested, what conclusions can you take out of it?
1st a blaster ship meant to ARMOR tank (see shadoo ) has better dmg projection and dps with shield tank
2nd if you want the same dmg projection dps than with shield fit you need at least 9 low slots but still in need at least 3 med slots.
Witch brings me to the simple conclusion, Talos is a pure fail like it is right now on SISI and will be on TQ if it ever gets out there alike.
W8 you can gank miners at 1km...cool stuff |
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