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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
16
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Posted - 2011.10.27 18:54:00 -
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CCP, do you remember yourlself nerfing 90% webs back then?
Do you recall your words?
"basically, the fight is over once anyone gets into a webrange".
Ok, you've replaced the old unltimate web with an ultimate scrambler, which - guess what - brings an end to a fight just as effectively as the 90% web before. Moreover, now you decide it's a good ideat to...
... give a 90% web to a ship which is basically free.
So 90% aren't overpowered anymore. huh? What's changed?
I for one can't come up with anything rather than suppose you're:
a) cluesless
b) trolling
c) both of the above
2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is"
2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?"
Nice progress, guys. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
16
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Posted - 2011.10.27 18:54:00 -
[92] - Quote
CCP, do you remember yourlself nerfing 90% webs back then?
Do you recall your words?
"basically, the fight is over once anyone gets into a webrange".
Ok, you've replaced the old unltimate web with an ultimate scrambler, which - guess what - brings an end to a fight just as effectively as the 90% web before. Moreover, now you decide it's a good ideat to...
... give a 90% web to a ship which is basically free.
So 90% aren't overpowered anymore. huh? What's changed?
I for one can't come up with anything rather than suppose you're:
a) cluesless
b) trolling
c) both of the above
2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is"
2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?"
Nice progress, guys. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:02:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
For a design that took a fast Destroyer and scaled it up to a fast Battle Cruiser with over sized guns, I'd say the changes look pretty logical.
For me, design logic does not equate to design beauty. It may "make sense" to have 5 large barrels lashed sideways to the top of the hull to accommodate the oversized weapon turrets. But that does not make it look pretty. It's like welding three fifty gallon drums to the roof of a Ferrari because of the increased fuel capacity necessitated by the larger engine...then saying it still looks good because it's logical.
Or makes "cents". They could rename it "Sixty-five Dollars". I count 4 rolls of quarters and 5 rolls of dimes melded into the model. |
Anna Lynne Larson
Black Sail Anarchists
5
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:10:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:[+] Talos
[+|n] bcLargeHybridTurretCPUNeedBonus
[+|n] bcLargeHybridTurretCapacitorNeedBonus
[+|n] bcLargeHybridTurretPowerNeedBonus
[+|n] leadershipCpuBonus
[+|n] massFactor
[+|n] shipHybridDamageBonusBC2
[+|n] shipStasisWebSpeedFactorBonusBC1
[+] agility: 0.56
[+] armorEmDamageResonance: 0.5
[+] armorExplosiveDamageResonance: 0.9
[+] armorHP: 2272.0
[+] armorKineticDamageResonance: 0.65
[+] armorThermalDamageResonance: 0.65
[+] armorUniformity: 0.75
[+] baseWarpSpeed: 1.0
[+] bcLargeTurretCPU: 0.5
[+] bcLargeTurretCap: 0.5
[+] bcLargeTurretPower: 0.05
[+] capacitorCapacity: 3100.0
[+] capacity: 600.0
[+] cpuLoad: 0
[+] cpuOutput: 400.0
[+] damage: 0
[+] droneBandwidth: 25.0
[+] droneCapacity: 25.0
[+] emDamageResonance: 1.0
[+] explosiveDamageResonance: 1.0
[+] fwLpKill: 200.0
[+] gfxBoosterID: 394.0
[+] heatAttenuationHi: 0.76
[+] heatAttenuationLow: 0.76
[+] heatAttenuationMed: 0.71
[+] heatCapacityHi: 100.0
[+] heatCapacityLow: 100.0
[+] heatCapacityMed: 100.0
[+] heatDissipationRateHi: 0.01
[+] heatDissipationRateLow: 0.01
[+] heatDissipationRateMed: 0.01
[+] heatGenerationMultiplier: 0.65
[+] hiSlots: 8.0
[+] hp: 2597.0
[+] kineticDamageResonance: 1.0
[+] launcherSlotsLeft: 0
[+] lowSlots: 5.0
[+] mainColor: 16777215.0
[+] mass: 12000000.0
[+] maxDirectionalVelocity: 2000.0
[+] maxLockedTargets: 7.0
[+] maxPassengers: 450.0
[+] maxTargetRange: 70000.0
[+] maxVelocity: 210.0
[+] medSlots: 4.0
[+] minTargetVelDmgMultiplier: 0.25
[+] powerLoad: 0
[+] powerOutput: 1150.0
[+] powerToSpeed: 1.0
[+] propulsionGraphicID: 394.0
[+] rechargeRate: 775000.0
[+] requiredSkill1: 3332.0
[+] requiredSkill1Level: 3.0
[+] requiredSkill2: 12099.0
[+] requiredSkill2Level: 3.0
[+] rigSize: 2.0
[+] rigSlots: 3.0
[+] scanGravimetricStrength: 0
[+] scanLadarStrength: 0
[+] scanMagnetometricStrength: 20.0
[+] scanRadarStrength: 0
[+] scanResolution: 230.0
[+] scanSpeed: 5500.0
[+] shieldCapacity: 2111.0
[+] shieldEmDamageResonance: 1.0
[+] shieldExplosiveDamageResonance: 0.5
[+] shieldKineticDamageResonance: 0.6
[+] shieldRechargeRate: 1400000.0
[+] shieldThermalDamageResonance: 0.8
[+] shieldUniformity: 0.75
[+] shipBonusBC1: 10.0
[+] shipBonusBC2: 5.0
[+] signatureRadius: 200.0
[+] structureUniformity: 0.75
[+] techLevel: 1.0
[+] thermalDamageResonance: 1.0
[+] turretSlotsLeft: 8.0
[+] typeColorScheme: 11331.0
[+] uniformity: 1.0
[+] upgradeCapacity: 400.0
[+] upgradeSlotsLeft: 3.0
[+] volume: 270000.0
[+] warpCapacitorNeed: 8.13e-07
[+] warpFactor: 0
Or for players who don't want to translate;
Gallente - Talos
Skills required: Gallente Cruiser III, Battlecruisers II
Bonuses:
Role Bonus:
50% reduction to Large Hybrid Turret CPU requirements
50% reduction to Large Hybrid Turret cap usage
95% reduction to Large Hybrid Turret powergrid requirements
Battlecruisers skill bonus:
10% bonus to velocity factor of Stasis Webifiers per level
5% increase to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level
Shield HP: 2111.0
Resistances: EM/Ex/K/T 0/50/40/20
Armor HP: 2272.0
Resistances: EM/Ex/K/T 50/10/35/35
Structure HP: 2597.0 (of course, it's a Gallente ship)
Resistances: 0/0/0/0
Capacitor: 3100GJ
Cargohold: 600m3
Drone Bandwidth: 25Mbit/s
Drone Bay: 25m3
Max Locked targets: 7
Max Lock range: 70km
Max Velocity: 210m/s
Magnetometric Sensor strength: 20
Scan resolution: 230
Sig radius: 200
CPU: 400tf
Powergrid: 1150mW
High slots: 8.0
Turret Slots: 8.0
Medium slots: 4.0
Low slots: 5.0
400 Calibration and 3 rig slots |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
76
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:12:00 -
[95] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
For a design that took a fast Destroyer and scaled it up to a fast Battle Cruiser with over sized guns, I'd say the changes look pretty logical.
For me, design logic does not equate to design beauty. It may "make sense" to have 5 large barrels lashed sideways to the top of the hull to accommodate the oversized weapon turrets. But that does not make it look pretty. It's like welding three fifty gallon drums to the hood of a Ferrari because of the increased fuel capacity necessitated by the larger engine...then saying it still looks good because it makes sense. Or makes "cents". They could rename it "Sixty-five Dollars". I count 4 rolls of quarters and 5 rolls of dimes melded into the model.
Ret-¦rded car analogies are ret-¦rded.
Why not mount a minigun on that Ferrari? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
146
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:17:00 -
[96] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:We were going to put the blog out tomorrow...but why wait? Your favorite Community team brings you more news of another player created masterpiece jumping into the game in the upcoming Winter Expansion. I can't wait to get into my very own Talos. How about you? 
It's beautiful.  |
Hentes Zsemle
EVE Corporation 21123151
2
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:20:00 -
[97] - Quote
I like the design, and don't care how much it resembles the "original" design. Im satisfied ccp didn't choose the spacefish.
As with all gallente ships, people will either love or hate how they look.
However, if the hybrid changes harvested from the test server data dump are going to be final, this ship is going to be useless for anything but ganking and station camping...just like the current blasterboats. |
Seamus Donohue
8
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:27:00 -
[98] - Quote
I have a question on the naming convention.
Given that Talos seems to be depicted as a winged creature and that Caldari ships tend to be bird-named, why was it decided to name the Gallente battlecruiser Talos and the Caldari battlecruiser Naga? I would have thought the appropriate naming convention would have been the reverse.
Survivor of Teskanen. -áFan of John Rourke.
I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE |
TorTorden
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
1
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:29:00 -
[99] - Quote
Day 1, winter expansion.
Day 3, HulkaGeddon |
Lucilia Mercapone
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:29:00 -
[100] - Quote
Looks great, sounds great can't wait!
Finally a great Patch to look forward too.
BC 5 ... check
All cruiser to 3+ ... check
large weapon specs to 4 ... damn only 3/8 better work on a new skillplan . |
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fenistil
1st. Legion
HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:36:00 -
[101] - Quote
Quote:in your face glass cannon
Again? When is gallente going to gain some versitality? |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:39:00 -
[102] - Quote
Razin wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
For a design that took a fast Destroyer and scaled it up to a fast Battle Cruiser with over sized guns, I'd say the changes look pretty logical.
For me, design logic does not equate to design beauty. It may "make sense" to have 5 large barrels lashed sideways to the top of the hull to accommodate the oversized weapon turrets. But that does not make it look pretty. It's like welding three fifty gallon drums to the hood of a Ferrari because of the increased fuel capacity necessitated by the larger engine...then saying it still looks good because it makes sense. Or makes "cents". They could rename it "Sixty-five Dollars". I count 4 rolls of quarters and 5 rolls of dimes melded into the model. Ret-¦rded car analogies are ret-¦rded. Why not mount a minigun on that Ferrari?
A Ferrari with a minigun would look better than this paper airplane with barrels strapped to it. And if you don't like car analogies, why make another car analogy? Hyprocrite's reply is hypocritical. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
90
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:43:00 -
[103] - Quote
TorTorden wrote:Day 1, winter expansion.
Day 3, HulkaGeddon
This ship looks sweet. Nice work CCP
All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
76
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:45:00 -
[104] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:
A Ferrari with a minigun would look better than this paper airplane with barrels strapped to it. And if you don't like car analogies, why make another car analogy? Hyprocrite's reply is hypocritical.
It was part of my comment on your car analogy. And damn right the minigun would look good on that Ferrari, barrel-like housing for the turret hardpoint notwithstanding.
As to the Talos hull form-factor: it's a single-hull Megathron. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
58
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:47:00 -
[105] - Quote
Very nice, that looks like a war machine. As all ships should |
Ethino
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:55:00 -
[106] - Quote
Talos
Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level.
95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets
AMIRIGHT ?!!?!?!  |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
14
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:18:00 -
[107] - Quote
TorTorden wrote:Day 1, winter expansion.
Day 3, HulkaGeddon
Day 2, ???
Patch Day most likely. (sorry, had to do it)
Ship is OK looking but everyone knows Gallente women are prettier than their ships.
Eagerly awaiting the next 2.
Your stuff goes here. |
Bobbith
No Fish
EVE Trade Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:19:00 -
[108] - Quote
This right here, pretty nice, keep it up CCP |
Majuan Shuo
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:36:00 -
[109] - Quote
Sexy ship is sexy. But will it blend...
other ships?
"I believe the Winter expansion needs to be a huge success, and so they are giving us ice cream, and cake, and ice cream cake, and pizza, and hookers, and blow, an pizza. Any and everything they think players want and they can do by winter, they will stuff into this expansion." |
Kandreath
De Re Metallica
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:39:00 -
[110] - Quote
Valhallas wrote:Should have called it Gankos
"Gankos - The last word in suicide ganking - coming soon"
I'm no fighter... but I can imagine the fight going one of two ways
(1). Alpha annihilates all targets. - The End
(2). Alpha annihilates all but a few targets - time to run!
When will we see them on SISI? - Are they there now? |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
156
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:45:00 -
[111] - Quote
You do realize that all baster ships are a bit more agile and less massive now right?
And that blaster range has been addressed.
And secondly both drawings of are of the same ship, I dont see why you're comparing oranges to oranges. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
59
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:47:00 -
[112] - Quote
Ugly Boy Woman wrote:Third, actually  Large Blaster Specialization to V, anyone?
Yup. |
Jon Hellguard
X-COM
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:54:00 -
[113] - Quote
I'm all glad you'll introduce "GAMEPLAY CHANGING STUFF" in the next expansion agian.
But really, please finish up establishments sometime soon - or give us some extra apocrypha-kind of expansions too! |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
12
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:59:00 -
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as much as i do like the new talos i was kinda hoping it was gonna be this one!
even so it looks kinda similar-ish
i can see a modified version of this being a very likely contender for the amarr Oracle!
although my personal preference is this one Though it looks more like a battleship.
i reeeeeeeeaaaaalllly like this for the caldari Naga... u really HAVE to look at that 1 close up! its very caldari! and very lush!
ohh btw get rid of the web bonus on the Talos... all your doing is throwing yet another gal ship into the overflowing basket of lowsec-only gallente gank ships!
Gallente need a viable fleet pvp ship. |
Dalton Vanadis
Miranda United
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
418
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:15:00 -
[115] - Quote
I'm liking the "broken" model way more than the "omega" model. And we'll see how the amarr one turns out... Hope it's good |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
204
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:19:00 -
[116] - Quote
I like both ships, they share a similar quality, they both look kinda like their race design philosophies , and yet slightly off, as if influenced by new tech/ideas.
I hope some nice story elements can be incorporated into their launch, some common tech, based on capacitor and or hull advances. Anyway I am more curious about the Oracle I really hope it is going to be the Mentor model, or perhaps another awesome looking ship... and so far nobody has any idea what the Caldari one will look like!
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Dalton Vanadis
Miranda United
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
418
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:25:00 -
[117] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:as much as i do like the new talos i was kinda hoping it was gonna be this one! even so it looks kinda similar-ish i can see a modified version of this being a very likely contender for the amarr Oracle! although my personal preference is this one Though it looks more like a battleship. i reeeeeeeeaaaaalllly like this for the caldari Naga... u really HAVE to look at that 1 close up! its very caldari! and very lush! ohh btw get rid of the web bonus on the Talos... all your doing is throwing yet another gal ship into the overflowing basket of lowsec-only gallente gank ships! Gallente need a viable fleet pvp ship.
Yeah, I really like that second amarr model, that's one sexy looking ship.
That Caldari one looks more cruiser sized than BC size, but it oculd be tweaked to be one sexy naga... |
Dalton Vanadis
Miranda United
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
418
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:27:00 -
[118] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:I like both ships, they share a similar quality, they both look kinda like their race design philosophies , and yet slightly off, as if influenced by new tech/ideas.
I hope some nice story elements can be incorporated into their launch, some common tech, based on capacitor and or hull advances. Anyway I am more curious about the Oracle I really hope it is going to be the Mentor model, or perhaps another awesome looking ship... and so far nobody has any idea what the Caldari one will look like!
They're slowly revamping ship models to follow that design philosophy, starting with the T3's, then the scorp and the maller.
Personally, I would love CCP to get a lot of money so they can do a full out second Trinity for FiS... But this and the promise of a second apocrypha are higher up on the wishlist... |
Demon Azrakel
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
45
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:52:00 -
[119] - Quote
Between this, the moros changes, and blaster changes, I have a massive hardon... Perfect Hybrid Skills FTW... |
Burhtun
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative
Nox Draconum
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:54:00 -
[120] - Quote
I agree with whoever said that the CCP modifications harmed the original ship design. But the original design doesn't even look EVE-like... more reminiscent of submarines and fighter planes. |
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