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Cron Moonvexor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:35:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote: In other words, Gallente hybrid platforms are still underpowered in every combat scenario, except for that tiny niche which only exists in fantasy.
+1. Sad but true Wait, on the other side - very small number of pilots fly gallente ==> Gallente ships stays some kind of Exclusive xD
Ok, I agree w/ Crazy KSK that web range bonus will lead to overposted with on-gate-kills KBs. Then I see 3 another ways (more or less bad): - balancing the sensor dampening technology (to give no chance for that Hurri to shoot Brut at distance >10km) [rather good way] - balancing speeds of gallente-s [so-so] - increasing the range of blasters [the worst scenario]
Some more thoughts? ) |
Mersault
Angels of Alina Stardust Underground
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:19:00 -
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I am really liking what I can see of this design :)
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Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:29:00 -
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Cron Moonvexor wrote: Ok, I agree w/ Crazy KSK that web range bonus will lead to overposted with on-gate-kills KBs. Then I see 3 another ways (more or less bad): - balancing the sensor dampening technology (to give no chance for that Hurri to shoot Brut at distance >10km) [rather good way] - balancing speeds of gallente-s [so-so] - increasing the range of blasters [the worst scenario]
Some more thoughts? )
id love sensor damps to get buffed (long overdue as well) but to make them useful on brutixes which has only 1 slot to spare they would have to be extremely powerful.... i.e. one damp -> under 10km targeting range
I think the only way is to make gallente the fastest race increasing the range of blasters would just make them obsolete and another kind of auto cannons
PS: pls ccp give the new 4 'BCs' their own class =( |
Zey Nadar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:40:00 -
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Naru-Kami would have made an awesome battleship. |
Integra Arkanheld
Andorra Paradis Fiscal
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:08:00 -
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TorTorden wrote:Day 1, winter expansion. Day 3, HulkaGeddon
It seems that a new re-balancing of empire will be needed. PVP in empire should be only during wars, and not all the time with suicide attacks. Soon we might see FreighteraGeddon. |
Cron Moonvexor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:33:00 -
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Zey Nadar wrote:Naru-Kami would have made an awesome battleship.
He have another project Fujin - http://baranha.deviantart.com/art/FUJIN-FINAL-181896594 this one more exotic ^^ |
VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:38:00 -
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Blaster haters gonna hate.
We all know EVE is a solo pvp game, but there are those few underhanded types that fly with other people or (Empress forbid) alts that use these things known as "Skirmish Links." Even worse, use dirty tricks like "Overload" to increase the range of "Warp Scrambler" and "Stasis Webifiers"even further. These dasterdly tools shut down Microwarp Drives in a heart beat, slow it down to over half its cruising speed, and stop the loved by all Hurricane from kiting the brutish Brutix and weak and stupid Megathron. There have even been reports of, the so called, Rokh using said tactics! Curse those Gallente and Caldari scum! How dare the mighty Hurricane be brought low by such a noobish tactic! We're all well aware that the Hurricane is the only ship to fly in EVE and all other tactics are...
NULL and VOID
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:41:00 -
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It better cost quite more than the current average suicide ganker... So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no casual content... no solo content... no PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Narjack
CragCO
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:43:00 -
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I can't wait to hear the Gallente tears as this ship gets owned in fight after fight. How does CCP figure that a paper thin short range brawler is going to work? Lets see, Talos coming at me with MWD on and massive sig radius. Push fire on my weapons and keep burning away from him. Pop. He'll never get get to turn the webs/guns on because he'll already be primary and never close the distance in time. Yes, this ship will have some use at gate camps, in big blobs, and ganking. Great. Yawn. So do other more survivable Gallente ships now. OH, sure, you'll get a warp in by a cloaky now and then. It will happen to some, but hard to do if the kiting ships are always burning if they are doing it right.
When will CCP figure out that a short range brawler should be a shield tanked fast ship with very high resists. That works. Armor tanked ships need range, which is why Amarr does well with their lasers. But hey, I'm excited because these things will be on a lot of killmails as the victim until they get tired of dying and stop getting flown much like the rest of the broken Gallente line.
For the historical perspective, battlecruisers are supposed to be heavily armed but lightly armored. At the battle of Jutland a British Admiral forgot this fact and tried brawling his BC's versus the German main fleet and literally got them popped. Lightly tanked battlecruisers must fight at distance, hit fast and move or get destroyed. This Gallente ship will go the way of the HMS Invincible.
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Bhaal Chinnian
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:03:00 -
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Although I applaud the CCP artists 'effort' at implementing the original artists work, it falls short. Burhtuns' paintover is more of a credit to the original design.
Also, when looking at the stats of the Talos , why would anyone use these ships as 'in yo face' brawlers despite the relatively minor changes to blasters(blasters==spaceshotguns)? Their usage would be better served as snipers(with rails, of course.) |
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Bob Niac
Degenerate Corp Territorial Claim Unit
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:06:00 -
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a blaster platform? I dunno.. Rather have railboat with an RoF and falloff bonus myself.
Also.. Why dont rails have em and explosive as primary damage on certain amm? For instance antimatter slugs should do exp/therm due to the nature of the substance. Plutonium could probably have an EM damage over time stat. These would be "soft" payloads because they do not have kinetic damage. I <3 Logistics. Proud pilot of all 4 logi cruisers and my shiny Archon [deceased.] Also a Chimera which may or may not be horrible. |
Benjamin Hamburg
Kernel of War Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:07:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:Dare Devel wrote:Nova Fox wrote:You do realize that all baster ships are a bit more agile and less massive now right? And that blaster range has been addressed.
And secondly both drawings of are of the same ship, I dont see why you're comparing oranges to oranges. Can anyone confirm this please? Nova Fox is wrong, wrong, wrong. Blaster boats are getting slightly better speed, and are becoming slightly less agile (bigger number = less agile). Blasters themselves are getting a tracking boost (it's either 20% or 30%). Railguns are getting 10% better volley damage. Most hybrid turrets are getting reduced pg and cpu need, and they're all getting a reduction to capacitor use. The changes on the Chaos build are welcome, but they still don't go far enough to address blasters' critical flaw - their lack of versatility. Blasters still have no answer to ubiquitous Minmatar kiting tactics in skirmishes (even on the edge of web range), and rails are still outdone by pulse lasers with Scorch in full-on fleet slugfests. Until blasters get better damage projection and rails get better DPS (a 10% buff just isn't enough), the weaknesses in hybrids still don't come close to compensating for Gallente hybrid platforms' fragility, sluggishness, resist profile and fat-ass signatures. The defining concept of Gallente boats - their up close and personal facemelting potential - just doesn't have a real application in modern PVP. Unless CCP buffs hybrids further, or starts from scratch with a whole new Gallente combat philosophy that actually works, Gallente blaster boats will still be underpowered in every combat scenario* except for a tiny niche which only exists in fantasy. *ganks and docking games are not 'combat'
Completly disagree.
The usual flaw of Galente was'nt only in Hybrid gun.
First of all, armor tanking a ship who also have the worst range one of the worst base speed were completly off track. Now, CCP added speed, give a damage boost and tracking boost. What does this mean, is that if you are an intelligent person you'll fit tracking enhancer or scripted tracking computer w/optimal script. Why? Cause you have engouh DPS anyway and with tracking bonus, Hybrid become on top of best tracking gun. Blaster will have better tracking than autocannon, so the **ONLY** issue can be settled with some TE or scripted TC.
After wich you need to stop fitting of 3 armor rig and realize that 1 armor rig with 2 other (damage mod or whatever) are what could keep Gallente engough rapid to catch unexpected kitting vessel. Having tried that in PVP, I can confirm it's working and we are forced to believe it would be better with promised change.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:20:00 -
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Nice looking ship, but I almost wish they would swap the Thorax and Talos models. Battleship sized blasters on a Thorax hull would really emphasize the "in your face" aspect...
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:26:00 -
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AUTOCANNONS ARE BEST!
How did Megathron and Armageddon do more damage? WHY YOU DO MORE DAMAGE MEGAGEDDONTHRON!? |
CaldeteisX
Aurora Polaris The Babylon Consortium
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:40:00 -
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Gods Coldblood
The Ankou Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:43:00 -
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Much love for this CCP!!! I really like how its design fits in with the megathron class - Pure Sexyah!!! My Youtube EVE Online PVP channel: BOOM |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:48:00 -
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Anna Lynne Larson wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:[+] Talos [+|n] bcLargeHybridTurretCPUNeedBonus [+|n] bcLargeHybridTurretCapacitorNeedBonus [+|n] bcLargeHybridTurretPowerNeedBonus [+|n] leadershipCpuBonus [+|n] massFactor [+|n] shipHybridDamageBonusBC2 [+|n] shipStasisWebSpeedFactorBonusBC1 [+] agility: 0.56 [+] armorEmDamageResonance: 0.5 [+] armorExplosiveDamageResonance: 0.9 [+] armorHP: 2272.0 [+] armorKineticDamageResonance: 0.65 [+] armorThermalDamageResonance: 0.65 [+] armorUniformity: 0.75 [+] baseWarpSpeed: 1.0 [+] bcLargeTurretCPU: 0.5 [+] bcLargeTurretCap: 0.5 [+] bcLargeTurretPower: 0.05 [+] capacitorCapacity: 3100.0 [+] capacity: 600.0 [+] cpuLoad: 0 [+] cpuOutput: 400.0 [+] damage: 0 [+] droneBandwidth: 25.0 [+] droneCapacity: 25.0 [+] emDamageResonance: 1.0 [+] explosiveDamageResonance: 1.0 [+] fwLpKill: 200.0 [+] gfxBoosterID: 394.0 [+] heatAttenuationHi: 0.76 [+] heatAttenuationLow: 0.76 [+] heatAttenuationMed: 0.71 [+] heatCapacityHi: 100.0 [+] heatCapacityLow: 100.0 [+] heatCapacityMed: 100.0 [+] heatDissipationRateHi: 0.01 [+] heatDissipationRateLow: 0.01 [+] heatDissipationRateMed: 0.01 [+] heatGenerationMultiplier: 0.65 [+] hiSlots: 8.0 [+] hp: 2597.0 [+] kineticDamageResonance: 1.0 [+] launcherSlotsLeft: 0 [+] lowSlots: 5.0 [+] mainColor: 16777215.0 [+] mass: 12000000.0 [+] maxDirectionalVelocity: 2000.0 [+] maxLockedTargets: 7.0 [+] maxPassengers: 450.0 [+] maxTargetRange: 70000.0 [+] maxVelocity: 210.0 [+] medSlots: 4.0 [+] minTargetVelDmgMultiplier: 0.25 [+] powerLoad: 0 [+] powerOutput: 1150.0 [+] powerToSpeed: 1.0 [+] propulsionGraphicID: 394.0 [+] rechargeRate: 775000.0 [+] requiredSkill1: 3332.0 [+] requiredSkill1Level: 3.0 [+] requiredSkill2: 12099.0 [+] requiredSkill2Level: 3.0 [+] rigSize: 2.0 [+] rigSlots: 3.0 [+] scanGravimetricStrength: 0 [+] scanLadarStrength: 0 [+] scanMagnetometricStrength: 20.0 [+] scanRadarStrength: 0 [+] scanResolution: 230.0 [+] scanSpeed: 5500.0 [+] shieldCapacity: 2111.0 [+] shieldEmDamageResonance: 1.0 [+] shieldExplosiveDamageResonance: 0.5 [+] shieldKineticDamageResonance: 0.6 [+] shieldRechargeRate: 1400000.0 [+] shieldThermalDamageResonance: 0.8 [+] shieldUniformity: 0.75 [+] shipBonusBC1: 10.0 [+] shipBonusBC2: 5.0 [+] signatureRadius: 200.0 [+] structureUniformity: 0.75 [+] techLevel: 1.0 [+] thermalDamageResonance: 1.0 [+] turretSlotsLeft: 8.0 [+] typeColorScheme: 11331.0 [+] uniformity: 1.0 [+] upgradeCapacity: 400.0 [+] upgradeSlotsLeft: 3.0 [+] volume: 270000.0 [+] warpCapacitorNeed: 8.13e-07 [+] warpFactor: 0 Or for players who don't want to translate; Gallente - Talos Skills required: Gallente Cruiser III, Battlecruisers II Bonuses: Role Bonus: 50% reduction to Large Hybrid Turret CPU requirements 50% reduction to Large Hybrid Turret cap usage 95% reduction to Large Hybrid Turret powergrid requirements Battlecruisers skill bonus: 10% bonus to velocity factor of Stasis Webifiers per level 5% increase to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level Shield HP: 2111.0 Resistances: EM/Ex/K/T 0/50/40/20 Armor HP: 2272.0 Resistances: EM/Ex/K/T 50/10/35/35 Structure HP: 2597.0 (of course, it's a Gallente ship) Resistances: 0/0/0/0 Capacitor: 3100GJ Cargohold: 600m3 Drone Bandwidth: 25Mbit/s Drone Bay: 25m3 Max Locked targets: 7 Max Lock range: 70km Max Velocity: 210m/s Magnetometric Sensor strength: 20 Scan resolution: 230 Sig radius: 200 CPU: 400tf Powergrid: 1150mW High slots: 8.0 Turret Slots: 8.0 Medium slots: 4.0 Low slots: 5.0 400 Calibration and 3 rig slots
"IF" blaster changes announced on "that" sheet are kept, T2 ammo gets rid of tracking penalty, that stuff should most probably turn around 1K dps without implants/boosters, now at lvl5 BC the web bonus is 87% speed reduction and that is sweet to make his blasters work properly.
Will it fit rails with T2 short ammo instead of blasters, that deserves another thread.
Was afraid of getting another space potato but I admit you guys owned me on this one, looks great. |
Zuteh
Infinite Improbability Inc RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:57:00 -
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It's got too much sharp edges, needs more curves and to be more front heavy. The Firbolg is a good example of what it should look like. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:00:00 -
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Benjamin Hamburg wrote:Completly disagree.
The usual flaw of Galente was'nt only in Hybrid gun.
First of all, armor tanking a ship who also have the worst range one of the worst base speed were completly off track. Now, CCP added speed, give a damage boost and tracking boost. What does this mean, is that if you are an intelligent person you'll fit tracking enhancer or scripted tracking computer w/optimal script. Why? Cause you have engouh DPS anyway and with tracking bonus, Hybrid become on top of best tracking gun. Blaster will have better tracking than autocannon, so the **ONLY** issue can be settled with some TE or scripted TC.
After wich you need to stop fitting of 3 armor rig and realize that 1 armor rig with 2 other (damage mod or whatever) are what could keep Gallente engough rapid to catch unexpected kitting vessel. Having tried that in PVP, I can confirm it's working and we are forced to believe it would be better with promised change.
Interesting opinion, however I disagree on some specific point.
1 explo rigg = 1free slot for dmg mod = 1st penalty
Then you have to choose another armor rigg (trimark) 2nd penalty or leave your 1600 RT -third penalty
You can take your plate away but you'll get easily alpha by 2 arty canes
You can even do both but since stacking penalty are less severe than stacking bonus penalty, the use of at least 2 armor riggs and 1 plate shouldn't make it too much brick but shield buffers will still be better, witch for gallente is not very "RP"
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Juil
Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:57:00 -
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Not.. certain I like it seems to 'square' but eh.. On the Hybrid / Rail vs Blaster.. gotta wonder if those saying things will be 'fine' have ever bothered playing a Blaster Boat.. because the people stating that unless range or speed changes come in are 100% correct.
And the intresting thing will be do these truely fit in the 'Battlecruiser' Role.. a Traditional Battlecruiser was designed to be able to Outgun anything it couldn't outrun (Cruisers and Below) and Outrun anything it couldn't outgun (Larger vessels) Historically so far CCP is on the right track with these new ships in the fact that they have the ability to mount guns of the same level as a Battleship, their armor is apparently not as good.. and their speed is better.. Where as the existing battlecruisers are really just heavy cruisers.
We'll see come winter.. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:07:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:as much as i do like the new talos i was kinda hoping it was gonna be this one! even so it looks kinda similar-ish i can see a modified version of this being a very likely contender for the amarr Oracle! although my personal preference is this one Though it looks more like a battleship. i reeeeeeeeaaaaalllly like this for the caldari Naga... u really HAVE to look at that 1 close up! its very caldari! and very lush! ohh btw get rid of the web bonus on the Talos... all your doing is throwing yet another gal ship into the overflowing basket of lowsec-only gallente gank ships! Gallente need a viable fleet pvp ship.
The eve online facebook winner likely the amarrian one
http://www.rpgownage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/194739.jpg |
Blind Furry
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:10:00 -
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I must say the design is very sexy.
I don't know about the ships performance as is unless ccp is planning on us shoehorning a 100mn ab on it to close in on targets with a mwd the sig will be fairly massive and I would expect to be dead b4 I can close to combat range.
Would be kinda sexy to have even a specialy web for this ship longer range, lower speed reduction if script loaded without script higher speed reduction at normal web ranges
Look forward to testing it on sisi b4 it goes live (I hope) |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:11:00 -
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I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM EXTREAMLY DISAPOINTED WIHT CCP CHOICE TO DO A WEBBER VELOCITY BONUS INSTEAD OF A FALL OFF BONUS...
UNFORTUANTLY CCP IS TAKING THE EASY ROUTE AND IF THIS IS A SIGN OF THE HYBRID BOOST THEN ALOT OF GALLENTE SHIPS WILL LOOSE A BONUS WHEN NOT USING BLASTERS...
A FALL OFF BONUS WOULD ATLEAST BE USEFULL TO BOTH BLASTERS AND RAILS... |
impli
Krautz and Yankees
3
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:28:00 -
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Ugly Boy Woman wrote:Third, actually Large Blaster Specialization to V, anyone?
Yes, and BC V .. :D this will be very very very cool boat :D
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
128
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:31:00 -
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Very nice indeed...I may need to be training up some Gallente skills just a bit.
MeBiatch wrote:I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM EXTREAMLY DISAPOINTED WIHT CCP CHOICE TO DO A WEBBER VELOCITY BONUS INSTEAD OF A FALL OFF BONUS...
UNFORTUANTLY CCP IS TAKING THE EASY ROUTE AND IF THIS IS A SIGN OF THE HYBRID BOOST THEN ALOT OF GALLENTE SHIPS WILL LOOSE A BONUS WHEN NOT USING BLASTERS...
A FALL OFF BONUS WOULD ATLEAST BE USEFULL TO BOTH BLASTERS AND RAILS...
Do you realize you look like a turd when you type in all caps? Is there any reason to type in all caps? Are you afraid nobody will read what you say without typing in all caps? Caps button stuck? Maybe the text is too small for you to read without using caps? Forget your meds this morning? Hyperactive? Spastic? Whatever it is...there is help. Seek it. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
132
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:34:00 -
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Rails should actually work very well on this ship, with the web bonus serving as frigate defense (supplemented by it's drones).
I think that we will see both Blaster and Rail fits commonly, although it will take awhile for people to get out of their Blaster fetishes.
There will certainly be times when the web/blaster combo will be highly effective, either in conjuction with plenty of EW (but not so much in conjuction with remote repping), or in hot drop or gank situations where you can be sure to be right on top of your opponent immediately and need maximum firepower on target quickly.
But for your average fleet engagement you will be much better served by rails. In this case use the web to pin frigates trying to hold you down and kill them with rails and drones. Use your speed to keep range and keep transversal up, warp out the moment you take damage.
In both cases (other than very long range) a flight of light EW drones may be a very attractive tactic as well as they tend to be somewhat disproportionately effective.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:59:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Very nice indeed...I may need to be training up some Gallente skills just a bit. MeBiatch wrote:I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM EXTREAMLY DISAPOINTED WIHT CCP CHOICE TO DO A WEBBER VELOCITY BONUS INSTEAD OF A FALL OFF BONUS...
UNFORTUANTLY CCP IS TAKING THE EASY ROUTE AND IF THIS IS A SIGN OF THE HYBRID BOOST THEN ALOT OF GALLENTE SHIPS WILL LOOSE A BONUS WHEN NOT USING BLASTERS...
A FALL OFF BONUS WOULD ATLEAST BE USEFULL TO BOTH BLASTERS AND RAILS... Do you realize you look like a turd when you type in all caps? Is there any reason to type in all caps? Are you afraid nobody will read what you say without typing in all caps? Caps button stuck? Maybe the text is too small for you to read without using caps? Forget your meds this morning? Hyperactive? Spastic? Whatever it is...there is help. Seek it.
**** caps was stuck on... thanks for the flame burger though tastes good.... |
Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:00:00 -
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Just to remind all, CCP Devs have quite clearly stated that the stats that are floating around are from Sisi for ongoing testing and will most likely not be the stats on finished models.
So no need to get upset..........yet! |
Insane Randomness
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:23:00 -
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Jill Antaris wrote:Well it doesn't really look like gallente, I would have loved the Aquilon hull ingame.
THIS. Like for the next dominix hull. Damn thats all I'd fly. |
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel Dark Solar Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:39:00 -
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Phantomania wrote:Just to remind all, CCP Devs have quite clearly stated that the stats that are floating around are from Sisi for ongoing testing and will most likely not be the stats on finished models. So no need to get upset..........yet!
could you please link some of those clear statements ? all ive seen so far is a confirmation that it is indeed official data but not final
also its not sisi its chaos they took that from , a non public testing server |
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