Is this still be worked on or was it dropped?

I find the whole space part daunting and overwhelming. I'd rather just socialize on a station after a quiet afternoon of mining :3

oh well, maybe some time down there road...

So facebook with beer and hookers?

Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap?

Oh noes! It's this thread again....

We are more interested in spaceships in this internet spaceship game.

I find the whole space part daunting and overwhelming. I'd rather just socialize on a station after a quiet afternoon of mining :3

oh well, maybe some time down there road...

Oh noes! It's this thread again....

We are more interested in spaceships in this internet spaceship game.

I'd be nice if we could interact with other people's avatars in a bar or something.

Is this still be worked on or was it dropped?

My sub expires tomorrow (after I reactivated it to check "expansion") - that's how excited I am about spaceship game. Yet decent WiS functionality (MassEffect2-style combat in anomalies and in POSes) could make me re-subscribe easily - instead of playing APB: Reloaded for example.

We, baltec1, are more interested in spaceships in this internet spaceship game.

We are more interested in spaceships in this internet spaceship game.

My sub expires tomorrow (after I reactivated it to check "expansion") - that's how excited I am about spaceship game. Yet decent WiS functionality (MassEffect2-style combat in anomalies and in POSes) could make me re-subscribe easily - instead of playing APB: Reloaded for example.

... do the art and open the door!

I love the spaceship part! It is the best part.

Yet I would love to be able to walk around and maybe play some poker for ISK.

Yes I know about EvE Poker, but still. Would be cool to have it properly integrated.

Just some minigames and a small space to walk around in. Should not be that hard for CCP to put together.

poker was at one point confirmed

I fixed that for you.

It's your opinion and as such you should be proud of it and not try to dilute it with other people's opinions.

I'd be nice if we could interact with other people's avatars in a bar or something.

Is this still be worked on or was it dropped?

Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap?

CCP has had multiple avatars in one area on internal builds, or so they have said. They handle the graphics issue by reducing detail as required to keep fps up. Especially on anyone in the background.

It's crazy that this feature was so close to completion.

Really, a bar, corp meeting room, and a station entrance gathering area would add so much immersion to the game. WiS doesn't need anything else (honestly, adding "gameplay" to WiS just hurts the core game, but a simple coffee shop style design adds greatly to the social side of Eve).

"real eve players" are greatly varied and dont agree on what should be done :)

Sure they do. Real Eve players care about spaceships and the industry that supports space combat.

Anybody who doesn't care about those things can go play Second Life like all the other pedo roleplayers.

Real EVE players also run gambling, radio station, lottery and poker websites, and have been known to roleplay, write stories, invent languages and just trade without giving a damn about fighting or being fought.

Just because the gameply doesn't YET contain much non-spaceship functionality doesn't mean it can't and never will, and please don't presume to dismiss those of us who are interested in seeing the game expand beyond the narrow two-word descriptor "Internet Spaceships" and into the much broader category of "Space Opera Game" as not being "real EVE players"

Real EVE players are imaginative and adaptable and see new content as an opportunity to be exploited.

go play Second Life like all the other pedo roleplayers.

Real EVE players are imaginative and adaptable and see new content as an opportunity to be exploited.

Real EVE players also run gambling, radio station, lottery and poker websites, and have been known to roleplay, write stories, invent languages and just trade without giving a damn about fighting or being fought.

It would be a shame if we never see the real potential of WiS, with greater immersion and new gameplay opportunities, including new ways to harass the enemy. Especially if we don't get it because CCP are scared a few whiners might ragequit.

All those things can be done outside of the game and don't force CCP to waste resources on things a tiny fraction of the playerbase wants. Besides, roleplayers are disgusting people...we shouldn't be encouraging them to infest our game.

Roleplayers are disgusting people...we shouldn't be encouraging them to infest our game.

The population of Eve has grown considerably since the dropoff of people quitting during the Incarna riots. The reason? CCP announced they were putting further nonsense on the backburner and returning to a focus on Eve's core gameplay.

Why would you want them to go back to doing something that cost them paying customers?

Sure they do. Real Eve players care about spaceships and the industry that supports space combat.

Anybody who doesn't care about those things can go play Second Life like all the other pedo roleplayers.

The population of Eve has grown considerably since the dropoff of people quitting during the Incarna riots. The reason? CCP announced they were putting further nonsense on the backburner and returning to a focus on Eve's core gameplay.

Why would you want them to go back to doing something that cost them paying customers?

Real Eve players don't care about WiS

... but after that I'd actually like to see a well implemented WIS that adds meaningful gameplay.

And with meaningful gameplay I mean stuff like:

- breaking into the quarters of known scammers that never undock, so that they are no longer 100% immune to player retaliation

- infiltrating medical facilities to compromise an enemy's clone

- stealing from other players ships and hangars

- bribing or intimidating brokers to modify other player's market orders

etc

I love the spaceship part! It is the best part.

Yet I would love to be able to walk around and maybe play some poker for ISK.

Yes I know about EvE Poker, but still. Would be cool to have it properly integrated.

Just some minigames and a small space to walk around in. Should not be that hard for CCP to put together.

Real Eve players don't care about WiS.

All those things can be done outside of the game and don't force CCP to waste resources on things a tiny fraction of the playerbase wants.

-Yes to breaking and entering, but you'll need to hire hit men to do it. We Capsuleers are puny and weak. We're vicious pilots, and we have drunken brawls in pubs, but we ain't strong enough or smart enough to know how to break and enter. We hire Dust mercenaries for that - or pirate NPC's...

-Yes to hiring NPC pirates to break into and sabotage a SINGLE character's clone vat. If you need a bunch of player's clones sabotaged, then hire Dust Mercs to come in and destroy a medical facility in a raid. Why? Because we don't have heavy weapons or armor to fight the Concord security forces guarding these facilities, but Dust players do...

-Yes to hiring Dust mercs to brake in and raid a player's hanger and destroying or stealing property. Why? Because we don't have heavy weapons or armor to fight the Concord security forces guarding these facilities, but Dust players do...

-No to bribing or intimidating brokers. It'll totally bork the whole economy.


Let's be real, CCP want's to make Dust work, and want Dust to be a part of the EVE Universe. This is one way to do it. I'm just saying.....



Also add the above to it. And add the following too:



And finally, my own vision of WiS, I'd like to have the option of going to the market and actually interact with an NPC broker when I put my stuff up for sale or place orders for things I want to buy. I would like to have the option of going to the manufacturing center and speaking to an NPC about leasing time for manufacturing. I would like to have the option to go to a "dry dock" facility and have my ship's crew use those facilities to install or remove modules and such to my ship. Also, I'd like to have my ship painted at the paint shop, and watch the progress, overtime, as the ship is painted over a few hours to a few days depending on the size of the ship.

Am I asking for too much? Who do I address this to? Santa Claus, right?

I find the whole space part daunting and overwhelming. I'd rather just socialize on a station after a quiet afternoon of mining :3

oh well, maybe some time down there road...

Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap?

Two stupid ignorant hicks on the forums are not the "Real Eve players". Take a look through this thread and see how much support it gets. Your a small minority here, and from my experience the same can be said of players in-game, off the forums.

Besides, your just a sad Goon alt with no kill-board. You are not a real Eve player.

The reason WIS has not been put in game already is that they had a MASSIVE walk off when they tried. WIS and a Cash Market. The CEO of CCP put out a dev blog apologizing to the player base and begging they return to the game.

He promised no more focus on WIS, no Cash Market, and a complete focus on taking care of things that have been ignored for years.

He got his people back, dont think CCP will risk that again for one minute.

The problem with incarna was greedy secret emails, ship hangar / spinning removal, "microtransactions" aurum nonsense, pay to win models and the future greedy plans with Wis, not the WiS itself.

If CCP would had been sticked with the original plans with WiS (ambulation trailer) with hookers, casinos and pubs, where you could gamble and socialize with other station residents (or corp mates),there would be no incarna rage.

[quote=Stitcher]Real EVE players also run gambling, radio station, lottery and poker websites, and have been known to roleplay, write stories, invent languages and just trade without giving a damn about fighting or being fought.

I'd be nice if we could interact with other people's avatars in a bar or something.

Is this still be worked on or was it dropped?

My sub expires tomorrow (after I reactivated it to check "expansion") - that's how excited I am about spaceship game. Yet decent WiS functionality (MassEffect2-style combat in anomalies and in POSes) could make me re-subscribe easily - instead of playing APB: Reloaded for example.

We are more interested in spaceships in this internet spaceship game.

All those things can be done outside of the game and don't force CCP to waste resources on things a tiny fraction of the playerbase wants. Besides, roleplayers are disgusting people...we shouldn't be encouraging them to infest our game.

[quote=Zimmy Zeta]... but after that I'd actually like to see a well implemented WIS that adds meaningful gameplay.

And with meaningful gameplay I mean stuff like:

- breaking into the quarters of known scammers that never undock, so that they are no longer 100% immune to player retaliation

- infiltrating medical facilities to compromise an enemy's clone

- stealing from other players ships and hangars

- bribing or intimidating brokers to modify other player's market orders

etc

Not only WIS but anyrelevant EVE development is dropped.

History - learn it so you do not repeat it.

most eve players are generally pretty autistic. thus they don't like change. so they complained and now WiS has been put on a back burner :\

This is actually true.

Source:

http://www.clinicaladvisor.com/video-game-addiction-common-in-autistic-boys/article/305070/#

if scale is the problem, then do it in small scale, let me invite other people into my hangar,
give us a poker table somewhere, we could have plenty of fun with that,
and it would not require massive hardware to run.

for example, to be honest, jita 4-4 would probably be laggy as **** for everyone

i was amongst those who were furious over WiS, it was not because i did not want WiS,
but it was because it had been advertised as a HUGE new thing,
and when it arrived, something like 10% of the things promised had been implemented.

balance fixes dont require the same developers as making new content does, you should see new innovative content, AND fixes for existing content, at the same time, not one or the other

as an analogy, think of cars, some people design cars, OTHER people maintain cars.
noone stops designing new cars because engines need oil changed :)

I'd appreciate more constructive criticism on how WiS could be more appealing to the general masses please.

Also, try to at least provide sources on claims such as "this game is dying" and etc...

Thanks

Two questions.

1. Why should it appeal to "the masses"?

2. Why should we want it to appeal to "the masses"?

It's not even remotely true. "video game addiction is common in autistic boys" is a very long way from being the same thing as "most EVE players are autistic."

Allow me to illustrate.

If you even cared about reading that article you'd know that 43% of people with autism have a game console at home, computers are probably included in that.

I'm amazed that it's as low as 56%.

My sub expires tomorrow (after I reactivated it to check "expansion") - that's how excited I am about spaceship game. Yet decent WiS functionality (MassEffect2-style combat in anomalies and in POSes) could make me re-subscribe easily - instead of playing APB: Reloaded for example.

You keep saying "autistic" like it's an insult, as opposed to a diagnosis. Which is nonsense. It's like trying to insult a community by saying "most WoW players have generally had a Basal Cell Carcinoma".

Even if that were true, how is it insulting? And where exactly are you getting this information anyway? I'm pretty sure you don't have access to all our medical records.

After four Fanfests and I-forget-how-many player meetups, and pushing eight years of just hanging out on TS or whatever, the conclusion I draw is that EVE players are a varied, generally friendly, generally well-adjusted group of individuals from a variety of walks of life. I'm sure that our community includes persons who are on the autistic spectrum. I have no idea whether that percentage is greater or lesser than that found in, say, Battlefield, CoD, LoL, DotA, WoT or.... I don't know, Barbie Horse Adventures. But I certainly don't think it's "most" or "a majority".

Pulling statistics out of your arse, leaping to logically inept conclusions and then acting all smug when somebody says "smells like bull chit to me" doesn't make you King of the Internet, dude.

If you even cared about reading that article you'd know that 43% of people with autism have a game console at home, computers are probably included in that.

Knowing that, your picture is incorrect.

I'd appreciate more constructive criticism on how WiS could be more appealing to the general masses please.

Also, try to at least provide sources on claims such as "this game is dying" and etc...

Thanks

The "general masses" already told CCP what they want. It's not Micro-transactions or Greed-is-Good newsletters or not delivering on their promises.

Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap?

They were supposed to fix drugs and make smuggling part of the game with WiS.

You know, so piracy would be piracy instead of whining on the forums that blo sec doesn't have enough targets.

They were supposed to fix drugs and make smuggling part of the game with WiS.

You know, so piracy would be piracy instead of whining on the forums that blo sec doesn't have enough targets.

Its not that Eve is full of autistic players opposed to change, its that Eve players are afraid of women, who would be attracted to the game if WiS was implemented.

Im waiting for WIS the last 3 years and I am dissapointed that the money in our world has a priority (unsubscriptions and protest in Jita), instead of ideas and desires to do something new, special and unique.

Lets open main page of EVE - www.eveonline.com and what can we see there? - "EVE Online is a Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Space Game - EVE Online" - this is SPACE Game, nothing said about "spaceships", NOTHING .

... as an analogy, think of cars, some people design cars, OTHER people maintain cars.
noone stops designing new cars because engines need oil changed :)

You're surprised that a company that lives and dies by the number of people who pay it a subscription fee every month prioritizes what the vast majority of its paying customers want instead of the tiny population of disgusting roleplayers? Really?

The "general masses" already told CCP what they want. It's not Barbies in Space.

I'd be nice if we could interact with other people's avatars in a bar or something.

Is this still be worked on or was it dropped?

prioritizes what the vast majority of its paying customers want instead of the tiny population of disgusting roleplayers?

This is not WoW, This is EVE

I agree that you are right, unfortunately this is true and this is sad, but lets look from another side - do you realy think that WIS cant attract new people to eve in order to (at least) compensate decreasing of subscriptions of those who does not want to see WIS? I dont think so.



To be honest this situation looks like we are in a kindergarten, where around us we have tears and snots.

This.

WIS would most likely stir up some angry voices to begin with but they would die down eventually. People who like EVE would still play EVE no matter if you could WIS or not.

WIS to me would be like planetary interaction for example, it exists, the possibility to do is there but I don't like it. So I don't do it. Simple as. Those who enjoy it will do it and those who don't, won't.

This.

WIS would most likely stir up some angry voices to begin with but they would die down eventually. People who like EVE would still play EVE no matter if you could WIS or not.

WIS to me would be like planetary interaction for example, it exists, the possibility to do is there but I don't like it. So I don't do it. Simple as. Those who enjoy it will do it and those who don't, won't.

very good point here, I think planetary interaction is really stupid, I am not going to use it, but i'm not going to decide for other people just because "I" dont like it

most eve players are generally pretty autistic. thus they don't like change. so they complained and now WiS has been put on a back burner :\

You've done it again. You're not the vast majority, your just a sad alt of a dumb hick who has no killboard and is afraid to post with his main. Just from counting comments in these threads, the people who want WiS outweigh the opposition. And from my experience being in null corps, lowsec pirate corps, highsec corps, WH corps, the same can be said of people in game.

This vast majority you speak of is a figment of your limited imagination.

Here is how you can prove you are right: round up all the current players who want to play Barbies in Space and cancel your accounts. If there are really that many of you CCP will stop everything else and make it happen.

Here is how I can prove I am right: Look at the population increases of the last two years since they put roleplaying trash on the back burner.

If all the people who wanted WiS eventually implemented cancelled their accounts Eve would die instantly.

There's only one way to find out.

Just Biomass. No one wants you here.

The biggest population increase Eve has seen was after Crucible, the expansion that implemented the three remaining captains quarters.

All of those rooms were built using modular assets, so that the investment made in building the CaptainGÇÖs Quarters will be capitalized on further when more environments get built. They have given us the start of a library of modules, which can be used to flesh out racially themed interiors for all sorts of interesting gameplay.

Sure they do. Real Eve players care about spaceships and the industry that supports space combat.

Anybody who doesn't care about those things can go play Second Life like all the other pedo roleplayers.

Here is how you can prove you are right: round up all the current players who want to play Barbies in Space and cancel your accounts. If there are really that many of you CCP will stop everything else and make it happen.

Here is how I can prove I am right: Look at the population increases of the last two years since they put roleplaying trash on the back burner.

As for you proving your right, the population increase over two expansions proves nothing. The Eve playerbase has grown every year like clockwork. After Incarna, the population was still higher than the previous year.

They had to make cuts on jobs because they didn't meet their predictions, as a result of Incarna being a terrible expansion.

If CCP starts to do anything with WIS in the near future, then they will confirm automaticly that cutting of jobs was a mistake.

it's never easy to admit mistake, but all the corner cutting after incarna, i just cant see why that was needed
of course i dont have access to the ccp budget reports,
but i cant see any reason to fire or relocate departments that were doing good work, especially not with so much
almost-finished content like clothing, on display, but not actually for sale

seriously, we have access to about 20% of the clothing the market has listed, and on display as 3d models
was THIS the best logical place to stop?

i dont know what happened inside ccp, but from where i'm standing, this looks very much like a panic decision

edit: before someone calls me... whatever you call people who play will dolls, the unavailable clothing bit is mostly an easy to demonstrate example of a VERY rushed decision

If the population had continued to dwindle after Incarna that would have confirmed that cutting jobs and refocusing on real Eve content was a mistake. That's not what happened.

I for one am looking forward to any Walking in Station content CCP brings out. Just wish we didn't have to wait so long. It would be nice to finally hear them say "Okay, we're going to do this", even if it was just a small project here and there.

Fingers crossed for the summer expansion. That said, the stuff we were shown and told/hinted about at fanfest was really boring. We can only hope I suppose.

Maybe one day, if WoD is popular, maybe, MAYBE, they'll consider thinking about possibly making a note to revisit an attempt at almost reviving WiS.

If the population had continued to dwindle after Incarna that would have confirmed that cutting jobs and refocusing on real Eve content was a mistake. That's not what happened.

Dude, seriously. Are you a pigeon? Just how many times we have to explain to you that problem with incarna WAS NOT WiS but its greedy and forced implementation?

I hate incarna myself and was among those angry players. But not because of WiS

The problem was the developer time CCP wasted on WiS, 2 lost years.

After CCP refocus their priority on actual EvE Online, they delivered 4 amayzing expansions on a row, and the game is on better shape than ever.

If they don't add WIS, they should allow you to invite up to X people to your CQ's. That way you get a small bit of interaction out of the norm.

I'd be nice if we could interact with other people's avatars in a bar or something.

Is this still be worked on or was it dropped?

If they don't add WIS, they should allow you to invite up to X people to your CQ's. That way you get a small bit of interaction out of the norm.

Hi, thank you for bringing this subject up the 10000000000 time please now go self destruct your pod with your best implants in as I cba to do it myself.

ok, this i am very curious about, inviting other people into your CQ,
how much programming work would that take?
nothing else, just the option to invite some friends over so we can actually be in the same place?

I'd appreciate more constructive criticism on how WiS could be more appealing to the general masses please ...

zoom in from full New Eden map scale down to individual system scale, via region and constellation.

Data available at each level:

world map:
sov data, including "Under attack by..."
corp and alliance jump bridges
Number of corp and alliance towers in each system.
number of corp and alliance members in each system, if any (little green number)
Number of blues, reds, neutrals and war targets in systems containg a corp or alliance member.
cynos (bright blue if owned by corp or alliance) - delayed 1 minute if no alliance members in system, real-time if there are.

region map
Presence, number and ownership of SBUs, iHubs, POSes and suchlike provided that they have appeared on the overview of an alliance member's fleet member within the last 12 hours.
Tracks movement of reds and blues that are similarly scouted with a red arrow indivating (X many moved to this system) - fades after a couple of minutes.
Tracks number and location of alliance members who are destroyed

constellation map
scouted data such as presence of bubbles on gates (appears as the stargate jump line appearing either red or blue with the label "Blockade")
Tracks number and location of alliance members who acquire a PvP flag.

system map
Location of any alliance or corp bookmarks
physical location of any scouted towers, POSes, SBUs, iHubs etc and their reinforcement timers
Physical location of any cynos in the system
bubbles, clashes, etc. This is the next best thing to being in the system yourself except that you can't look at the grid, lock anything

All levels
context-sensitive radial menu controls giving people the ability to highlight, draw lines and arrows, etc.
Contains a jump range indicator.

The point being, this is a strategic tool that can be used to organise reinforcements, retreats, plan campaigns and brief people ahead of roams.

Able to be loaded with any blueprint and will display what materials and skills are needed to finish that blueprint, and whether there is enough of that item available in the designated hangar.

You can "tree" down into each one, pulling each component apart into its own components.

you can create and name boxes, and link each one to a corp hangar.

you can drag items around and into the boxes - they retain the line linking them to their higher and lower tiers

Each box displays information like necessary quantity of the lowest currently-open tier, and the estimated total value of all the items within it.

again, highlighter, line and arrow pointer tools

Big button to send the whole thing to a manufacturing slot if all of the prerequisite materials and skills are available.

Basically an EFT-like system - call up any ship, fit it with any module, see all the same information we get from the standard fitting window, save corp fits. Ideal for theorycrafting - anyone can modify the fitting being shown at any time, or maybe only if they have the appropriate skill

Dude, seriously. Are you a pigeon? Just how many times we have to explain to you that problem with incarna WAS NOT WiS but its greedy and forced implementation?

I hate incarna myself and was among those angry players. But not because of WiS

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.

They didn't spent 2 years on the CQ. They spent two years on the Carbon engine, which we have been reaping the benefits of ever since. Those amazing expansions you talk about have only been possible because of those two years working on Carbon. The hard work is done now, the engine is finished and they've been using it for years, they just need to make more WiS content.

To be realistic, is there any official info that there was a drop of subcription right after Incarna?

Haha, yeah. Those concept arts. Ironicly Incarna was reason I started to play. At that moment I only knew that this MMO is about space and ships. Then I accidently bumped into youtube video of CCP fanfest and they talked about walking on station, shady contraband and all kinds of activities outside ship. I thought myself. "Whoa! Thats like Mass Effect but ten times better and with real players!".

Turned out not exactly what I imagined or moreso, was misled to believe. But I'm still here and kinda grew into EVE now and dont really care is there WiS or not. But those concept arts... damn you CCP!

To be realistic, is there any official info that there was a drop of subcription right after Incarna?

They flew the entire CSM in for a special summit to find a way to stem the bleeding. WiS was a disaster for the game and it's only the fact that CCP has ignored roleplayers and furries for the last two years that has caused subs to go up continually since then.

Maybe people don't remember but Eve's core gameplay (spaceships and the industry that supports them) suffered for two years prior to Incarna because CCP wasted so much time trying to figure out how to make space Barbies happen. You can cry on the forums all you want but they learned their lesson.

WiS never happened. We got CQ, which is not synonymous. The previous two years of low content were due to the carbon engine being developed.

I'm glad you agree with me. Two years of wasted effort (where real Eve content was ignored) and all we got was four rooms with couches. Imagine how bad off we would be if they wasted even more time to implement more avatar-based nonsense!

Wow, it's confirmed. You really are the daftest person I have ever had a discussion with.

I'm glad you agree with me. Two years of wasted effort (where real Eve content was ignored) and all we got was four rooms with couches. Imagine how bad off we would be if they wasted even more time to implement more avatar-based nonsense!

most eve players are generally pretty autistic. thus they don't like change. so they complained and now WiS has been put on a back burner :\

You're plainly ignorant of just how heavily EVE's backend and the spaceship game relies on Carbon.

How much WiS content has been added to the game since the final three CQs went live? (Hint: it's none)

http://evevault.ign.com/screenshots/?ss=88&page=9
Concept arts were misleading.

That's probably why everyone was making memes with the door.

Yes. None. You know why? I can tell you - because of such people like YOU

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.

You're welcome. I shudder to think how bad things would have gotten if The Mittani hadn't been on the CSM when Incarna happened.

How much WiS content has been added to the game since the final three CQs went live? (Hint: it's none)

Incarna benefitted the game technologically even if it has left us with a half-finished appendix of a feature rather than an actual. Hell, no Incarna, no DUST. The Carbon framework which allows DUST to work on Tranquility alongside EVE only exists because of Walking In Stations.

And as I illustrated on the last page, there IS functionality which communal avatar spaces could give us that we're not now benefitting from precisely because parochial morons like you seem to think that just because the game is currently almost pure Internet Spaceships, that it should remain that way forever more and never grow in new directions.

How frakking DARE you respond with a "you're welcome" when you're called out on that?

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.

You really have zero imagination or enthusiasm for things other than kicking other people's sandcastles, don't you?

I have yet to see compelling arguments why WiS should be implemented at all when WiS at its core is more pointless than missions and really just caters to specific groups of people who really ought to be sterilized.

You've done it again. You're not the vast majority, your just a sad alt of a dumb hick who has no killboard and is afraid to post with his main. Just from counting comments in these threads, the people who want WiS outweigh the opposition. And from my experience being in null corps, lowsec pirate corps, highsec corps, WH corps, the same can be said of people in game.

This vast majority you speak of is a figment of your limited imagination.

"I'm incapable of reading the myriad of threads full of cogent points supporting the existence of WIS, and I want everyone who doesn't agree with me to go away and quit reminding me of how wrong and close-minded I am."

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.

"I'm incapable of reading the myriad of threads full of cogent points supporting the existence of WIS, and I want everyone who doesn't agree with me to go away and quit reminding me of how wrong and close-minded I am."

It's nice to see those in favour of WiS actually fighting for this.
Eve can only grow and draw in new players if its universe improves and expands. Take theme parks, they keep add new rides, for example. MMOs that remain static, even those that keep improving gameplay, balance, and fix bugs, loose subscriptions and eventually become a pale shadow of their former glory.
As for the players who have a hissy fit every time this come up; we like space ship game, that why we play, adding Avatar play does not stop either development of the spaceship element (any more than Planetary Interaction did) it adds another sub game/element which only increases Eve appeal.
As one poster said, Eve is a science fiction game, and many players want full immersion into the game, space ship are only one part of Eve (a major part to be sure, and always should be the focus).
Hopefully CCP are listen to the reason arguments here, and not just the squealing troll ranting on about not having Barbie dolls in space (which frankly is both a crap argument and an insult to players that want Eve to develop and grow).

Since you are new around here, I have read similar threads like this one and the tune they play is the same. I have yet to see one that presents solid arguments why CCP should dedicate dev time (which means MONEY) into implementing WiS when the vast majority of players do not want WiS when there is more pressing issues at hand than to implement something that literally is just fluff.

(..) when the vast majority of players do not want WiS (...)

Oh lovely two threads, same people?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3479335#post3479335

let's make the threats face each other Street Fighter IV style.
Fight!

Players want to be able to explore the interiors of the EVE universe with their avatars.

What they don't want is a showroom for their micro transaction purchases.

I have yet to see compelling arguments why WiS should be implemented at all when WiS at its core is more pointless than missions and really just caters to specific groups of people who really ought to be sterilized.

I am also of the opinion that any Avatar content that is added should have an Eve-like level of brutality.

Maybe my vision of WiS slightly differs from the stereotypical "Barbies in Space"- but I can give you a compelling reason in a single word:

Fear.


Nowhere should be safe in Eve, danger should be everywhere.
Fear makes people dock up in stations.
Fear makes CEOs tell their corp not to undock during war.

Now fear should drive these people out of the station again- since staying in a confined station full of enemies should be more dangerous than trying to undock and flee into open space or just fight your way out.

But where exactly? And what projection of force? Personal security drones could make someone nearly as safe as now? And what about personal guns, and police forces?