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Halcyon Ingenium
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:52:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:[quote=Halcyon Ingenium]That conversation might have amounted to nothing. It might have amounted to a meeting the next day, and then a directive to change CONCORD. We don't know. Should we wait until it is too late? Both of them obviously think its a good idea (or they did at the time.)
Why wait until we have tonnes of hindsight...
Because acting without anything more than conjecture is an even dumber thing to do? Because the type of rhetoric you're using is the same garbage that is used daily to motivate the filthy unwashed masses to do stupid crap for no good reason? Because said stupid crap usually ends up being a huge waste of time at best, and a monumentally disruptive and destructive enterprise at worst?
There are many reasons to not act on conjecture and emotional arguments. The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality. |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
182
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:54:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:... a plot to overthrow CCP. ?? Overthrow CCP, cause eve to crash, is there all that much of a difference? Ones fate is tied to the others. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
165
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:58:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:... a plot to overthrow CCP. ?? Overthrow CCP, cause eve to crash, is there all that much of a difference? Ones fate is tied to the others. Maybe carebearing up the game makes it super popular. Either way, carebear it up, and we leave. Hell, after we leave a whole horde of Koreans might join up to play.
At any rate, effectively EVE dies to everyone that joined up under its original premise -- the sandbox for all, not the sandbox for some. EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
753
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:00:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:mkint wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: I'm not against Gallente Ice Interdiction. It adds spice to the game. But considering Hilmar has his eyes on highsec and seems to want to make it SAFER, then this ongoing interdiction seems to be forcing CCP into making it safer sooner rather than later (after a good sleep and giving it a good think.)
Do you have any other actual proof of that, besides that one change regarding wardecs? you don't get it... this is a stealth re-nerf eve-u thread. If you follow the blog to see what links were linked, two of them lead straight to the dec-shield threads. Whats even funnier is that there IS a grand conspiracy... But its against TEST  If you pay attention, you will see that Goons overwhelmingly detest TEST, and are trying to provoke the mighty highsec blob into attack, at which point they will use TEST as a meatshield, and let them get ground out of existence. Once Montolio emoragequites, the interdiction will end because Goons achieved their goal. Its all so obvious, how can you come up with this mind melting garbage about a plot to overthrow CCP. This coming from an alliance that was almost reset by Test in Fountain through "lack of effort" and got so scared of the possibility that they sided with Goons to protect their scrawny ass.
I do laugh that it's actually FA that will be the meatshield in any case. You always were. Your screaming banshee leader made sure of that. lolz. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:02:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:The Apostle wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:So Poetic finally gives up on stalking Eve University and decides to stalk Goons instead! Good luck...you're going to need it since you're now competing with The Apostle. You don't get it do you. Nobody gaf anymore. All the wonderful threads about us say otherwise.
How many started by Goon sock puppets? I need moar statistical analysis so i can get teh closure.
Why does OP not understand that Mr. The Mittani is an attention *****? That would explain everything. Be a pretty short blog though.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

thekiller2002us
WE FIGHT Noir. Mercenary Group
10
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:02:00 -
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'mittani is screaming for ccp Quote:to do something not to Goonswarm's (or the Sandbox's) benefit.
i stopped reading once i hit this part. you are kidding me right? are you serious? do you even know who mittens is? |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
182
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:06:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:This coming from an alliance that was almost reset by Test in Fountain through "lack of effort" and got so scared of the possibility that they sided with Goons to protect their scrawny ass.
I do laugh that it's actually FA that will be the meatshield in any case. You always were. Your screaming banshee leader made sure of that. lolz. Sorry, but what happened back in fountain actually prompted us to 'grow' and 'evolve' to earn a place.
You might try those 2 things instead of whining about goons. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
103
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:17:00 -
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What an aweful bunch of drivel from someone who is clearly out of touch with the majority of Eve online... |

Roime
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:37:00 -
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This is the most moronic thread I've ever read
0/10
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Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:42:00 -
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So basically, because CCP acknowledged that the War-dec system was screwed and gave people a work until they fix it, that means there is a grand conspiracy......
Yeah, pure tinfoil hat job here. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á |
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March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
32
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:44:00 -
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TLDR. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
549
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:06:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:This coming from an alliance that was almost reset by Test in Fountain through "lack of effort" and got so scared of the possibility that they sided with Goons to protect their scrawny ass.
I do laugh that it's actually FA that will be the meatshield in any case. You always were. Your screaming banshee leader made sure of that. lolz. FA is in a pretty good place these days...you should have stuck it out with them instead of getting run off by the evil afk cloakers. They have been flourishing now that they aren't being treated like serfs by the old NC. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

HyperZerg
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
1
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:11:00 -
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Easy one, remove Concord [or cripple them hard] and eve dies.
Far back in the past [even before my time] there was no Concord. Only few new people arrived. Then they added Concord and the subscriber count "exploded". Do you really thing CCP would remove Concord and kick out half of the eve-population ? |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
183
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:13:00 -
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HyperZerg wrote:Easy one, remove Concord [or cripple them hard] and eve dies.
Far back in the past [even before my time] there was no Concord. Only few new people arrived. Then they added Concord and the subscriber count "exploded". Do you really thing CCP would remove Concord and kick out half of the eve-population ? When did this thread become a brainstorming session for terrible ideas? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Halcyon Ingenium
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:16:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:When did this thread become a brainstorming session for terrible ideas?
The OP.
The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality. |

Poetic Stanzitroll
BLOG University
14
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:50:00 -
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Guys Guys... listen. Eve is Real, there was a viedo and everything. Take it from me, I've been paying the game for about 4 weeks!
Eve mining ships, just like in real life, are weak and pathetic. And just like in real life, they have to be weak and non-tanky, otherwise who would the people who want to blow up stuff blow up?
See, I have a picture and everything that proves you can't build a tanky mining vehicle in real life. Yup, nothing tanky about that picture.
So the solution here is simple. Miners need to grow a pair, I've got 4, and get with the program. This game is for keeps, check out my kill stats. As you can see, I've managed to stay pretty safe in this harsh galaxy of Eve. In fact, I'm so hardcore I managed to blow myself up the other day in my stealth bomber. How hardcore is that!
So take it from me, an expert. You don't know anything! -Check out my blog, it's the best! |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
37
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:12:00 -
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El'Niaga wrote: [stuff about blob-warfare] He's promised TEST new space etc. Their plan is to take out NC., RDN., IRC, WN, SOLAR and SOL-W while RED, XIX, and XWX sit out any invasion. WN still is helping RED because they feel RED will help them later but supposidly Mittani has guarantees from RED, XIX and XWX that they won't intervene on any invasion of the rest of the former DRF. [more stuff about blobwarfare]
Who are all these alphanumeric entities, and why should the rest of us give a ****?
Oh, wait, that's right: We don't.
Oh, and Mittani is a child.
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |

Cunane Jeran
18
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:15:00 -
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Take this trash out of General Discussion. Actually don't stop there, just take it out completely. |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
184
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:16:00 -
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Cunane Jeran wrote:Take this trash out of General Discussion. Actually don't stop there, just take it out completely. You have my scimitar o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Via Shivon
Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:16:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Handsome ******* wrote:The Apostle wrote:Either Mittens is scared of the DRF and is trying to kneecap them or he intends to invade. Who really gives a **** anymore?
80% of Eve is getting to the point they don't give a **** about Goons (CFC pets too) OR DRF.
It's a stagnated wasteland full of arrogant pricks who need a solid smack in the mouth to wake 'em up. Thanks for backing me up? Yeah. I know. I did write some other **** about something, something, something but got bored so it's probably all up to **** and really I don't give a **** anymore about 0.0, CFC, CCCP, CCP, whatever. Truly. This game is getting even MORE boring because the only "event" these days is watching some poor bastard get slaughtered by arrogant pigs of 0.0 warlords and it's now called "fun" because of it. What have we become? Just kill all the alliances, reset 0.0 and start the ******* game again. Any corp gets bigger than 100 members, Concord kills 'em. Whatever. **** 'em all.
omg loool u mad bro?
goons love eve - but goons dont love carebaere pussys getting stinking rich in high sec with 0 risk. just think about 0 more ganks in high 0 more BIG AMMOUNTS of isk getting destroyed...
if they start the game again , yes but ALL 0 SP and 0 ISK and NO save zone like pussysec
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
37
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:27:00 -
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Via Shivon wrote:[
omg loool u mad bro?
goons love eve - but goons dont love carebaere pussys getting stinking rich in high sec with 0 risk. just think about 0 more ganks in high 0 more BIG AMMOUNTS of isk getting destroyed...
if they start the game again , yes but ALL 0 SP and 0 ISK and NO save zone like pussysec
^^^Quoting this incredible idiocy for posterity, before it can hit the "EDIT" button^^^
My God, it really exists:
The animate pastiche of lowest-common-Internet-denominators given form...Oh, the horror!
Seriously, what are you, 14? I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |

HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:40:00 -
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thekiller2002us wrote:'mittani is screaming for ccp Quote:to do something not to Goonswarm's (or the Sandbox's) benefit. i stopped reading once i hit this part. you are kidding me right? are you serious? do you even know who mittens is?
I think he's the guy pressing CCP to nerf technetium moons (which is GSF's main source of income), fleet lag (which GSFs main fleet doctrine is designed to work in) and supercaps (which GSF and their allies are one of the major holders of). |

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
34
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:48:00 -
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Pfft,
the thing that makes all this funny is that it is all part of the plan.
goons are doing exactley what they are supposed to be doing.
I think Istvan Shogatsu said it best:
"The most effective pawn is one who does not realise they are standing on a chess board"
Keeps playing goons, keep playing - I'll get the pop corn ready.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
184
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:59:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:Pfft,
the thing that makes all this funny is that it is all part of the plan.
goons are doing exactley what they are supposed to be doing.
I think Istvan Shogatsu said it best:
"The most effective pawn is one who does not realise they are standing on a chess board"
Keeps playing goons, keep playing - I'll get the pop corn ready.
AK OMG ITS A BOB PLOT!!!! 
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:09:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote: I sayz stuff...
Well worded. I don't know if I agree with it but, only because it is assuming something that we cannot know...Mittani & CCP's motivations. However, your blog does seems to imply that fundamentally changing the "sandbox" to exclude non-consensual PVP as a bad thing for the game. Honestly, I see it as a positive move for the future of the game. There are more successful MMO's out there that cultivate a certain portion of their playerbase as carebears. The more successful MMO's that do this certainly outnumber the MMO's that don't.
I live in w-space and have been there for 2 years now. You can't exactly say that I have any self-serving motivation to want hi-sec a non-pvp zone. I do recognize that there are a large number of people that enjoy aspects of the game which don't include PVP at all. I also recognize that a large portion of the population of Eve reside in hisec. One must as "Why?". From what I know of the people I've run into in Eve, the carebears, many of them are casual players. They're casual in that they only have an hour or two here or there to play the game, not casual as in "My POS was attack so I called into work said I was sick and spent the next 16 hours fending off the aggressors". I delineate "casual" here because there is a wide difference in perception of what exactly is "casual" play. We'll just call it all casual and try not to mince the words with semantic arguments. So, we have two types of casual players. Those with limited time and those willing to do whatever it takes. The former needs a safe environment to foster their activities since one can't just place a real time +10 hour fight on hold while the latter doesn't since they're willing to do whatever it takes to meet any challenges thrown at them at any time.
Given these two types of play styles in the game I would argue that there are a far larger number of players with limited amounts of time than those able to dump heaps of time on the game. This is a good dichotomy for the game because it means that there is a positive pressure of an over abundance of players in hisec with a negative pressure from a lack of players in nullsec and more dangerous areas of space. This, of course, eventually leads to players venturing out to the more dangerous areas given a certain amount of time in which to gain one's Eve legs. Unfortunately, few people these days want to go to nullsec. Instead, many are venturing into w-space as seen by its population explosion in the last year.
A year ago you could go days and weeks without seeing a soul in your hole (no jokes please). Now, you can't go 24 hours. So why the explosion in population? IDK. Maybe it's the insane RL financial and time requirements of having empires in null? Maybe it's the epeen? Maybe it's people like Mittani there who expect one's blind obedience? Maybe it's the RMT in the guise of a game? I just don't know. I do know that these are some of the reasons I don't go there.
When I do venture into nullsec, this is what I see....not much. For every 5 empty systems I might see 1 with a couple of people traversing another. For every 20 empty systems I might see 1 with a population above 5. IDK. Seems like null might be suffering from a lack of people. I've heard nullsec'ers complain about that very fact. If it's true then one must ask "Why?". Perhaps its for reasons I've already outlined. Whatever the reason, perhaps what we need to recognize is the possible changing of the face of Eve from being null-centric with huge lagging fleet battles with trillions of isk/tens of thousands of RL dollars at risk, to something more manageable for the masses. And maybe, that's why Mittani is having his tantrum? Maybe ganking defenseless ice miners is his way of saying "NOTICE US......please....we're really bored out here, someone come play with US".
I can't speak for nullsec, but I'm having a blast in w-space. And if hi-sec does go non-pvp, good. Hopefully, that'll mean more people in the game which will automatically translate to more people curious about the more dangerous areas of space.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Junglistbeast
Massive PVPness EntroPraetorian Aegis
3
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:21:00 -
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Seriously what?
Did CCP do anything after hulkaggeddon to help the high-sec dwellers? Why will they now?
I actually think your blog is a poor troll it's so badly written and full of aboslute rubbish! |

Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
137
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:21:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Whats even funnier is that there IS a grand conspiracy... But its against TEST  If you pay attention, you will see that Goons overwhelmingly detest TEST, and are trying to provoke the mighty highsec blob into attack, at which point they will use TEST as a meatshield, and let them get ground out of existence. Once Montolio emoragequites, the interdiction will end because Goons achieved their goal. Its all so obvious, how can you come up with this mind melting garbage about a plot to overthrow CCP. However, Montolio - always one step ahead - has already dispatched his most capable sky marshall to deflect the goon threat and become the hero that high sec deserves.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23698 |

Tenchi Sal
DeathStar Systems
13
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:32:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: I sayz stuff... When I do venture into nullsec, this is what I see....not much. For every 5 empty systems I might see 1 with a couple of people traversing another. For every 20 empty systems I might see 1 with a population above 5. IDK. Seems like null might be suffering from a lack of people. I've heard nullsec'ers complain about that very fact. If it's true then one must ask "Why?". Perhaps its for reasons I've already outlined. Whatever the reason, perhaps what we need to recognize is the possible changing of the face of Eve from being null-centric with huge lagging fleet battles with trillions of isk/tens of thousands of RL dollars at risk, to something more manageable for the masses. And maybe, that's why Mittani is having his tantrum? Maybe ganking defenseless ice miners is his way of saying "NOTICE US......please....we're really bored out here, someone come play with US".
Null sec did it to themselves. I just started playing eve again after being gone for around a year and a half or so. The recruitment channel is completely different. Before, you would see lots of alliances recruiting many different players. PvPs, ratters, miners, etc. Now its all other corps are recruiting everything except Null sec corps/alliances. Null sec ONLY wants pvpers. Some null sec alliances will even shoot their own members if they are caught mining. Its usually just renters that take non pvpers in.
Well when you want to exclude a large portion of people from Null sec alliances, what did you expect to happen? "Oh sure i'm a miner i'll just happily switch over to pvper for no apparent reason when i've never played with any of you guys and know nothing about you." A lot of 0.0 pvpers started off as industrialist who were recruited early on and started pvping in 0.0 during CTAs/Roams and found out they liked it. Now these same potential pvpers are denied access.
Its funny seeing these null sec tears flow while they live in denial over the fact that they shot themselves in the foot. |

Takamori Maruyama
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
20
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:36:00 -
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Hey what is going in this thread?
AWWWWWWWWWW **** The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |

Tanya Fox
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:38:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Quote:I'm beginning to think that The Mittani's agenda is scorched earth. It almost doesn't matter. Certain personalities are best kept away from any perceived position of clout or authority and his is one of those personalities. In truth, he has no power over CCP, but he thrives on the perception that he does and that perception isn't good for the integrity of the game. The only saving grace here is that people like him usually self destruct when they get too full of themselves and in all likelihood he'll manage to get himself banned eventually.
+1 for you |
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