Highsec players have been complaining about being "forced" into a style of play they don't enjoy, that they would prefer not to partake in, for years, even when they were fully aware of the type of game they were signing up for, even when the stories of the scams and ganks may have been what drew them to the game in the first place. High irony. CCP, thankfully, has never really paid them much heed, beyond beefing up CONCORD (such that they are now automatic disciplinary machines [minus a small security status dependent response delay]) and telling them to harden the **** up.

But, highsec players are surprisingly vocal when it comes to complaining about any disruption to their style of play. This year, CCP has begun to take notice. Perhaps the need to retain players and attract new ones has decided this change of direction, this move from the HTFU attitude of old.

Flying in Space (FiS) development may be back. And everyone is happy and excited and optimistic. And that's all good. I'm happy and excited for new FiS development as well. But there's this undercurrent of urgency on the part of CCP, that player retention is tied to highsec and changes need to be made. Radical changes. And without them, CCP will continue to bleed subscriptions. They seem ready to do something rash, when perhaps there's nothing at all that needs to be done.

Thus The Mittani (CSM Chairman) and his Goonswarm enter the picture.

There seems to be a game of Russian Roulette being played. The only two people at the table are Hilmar and The Mittani. Each seem to be pushing towards something from which the other can't back down. Hilmar is playing more subtle hands here, tossing out hints and innuendo. The Mittani is running up and down the halls, arms flailing wildly, daring, screaming at CCP to do something not to Goonswarm's (or the Sandbox's) benefit. What is at stake seems to be high security space and how it will interact with the Sandbox. Will highsec continue to be a member of the Sandbox, or will it be removed from the combat, ship-to-ship aspect, of the player-driven content model?

Already, the war declaration system has been gutted. This new change of policy apparently passed through the CSM with nary a word of dissent. Even if the CSM chairman could give a rat's ass about high security space, he has always expressed the opinion that the sandbox should not be ****** with. Yet, this policy change, removes all corporations (but especially highsec corporations) from a major component of non-consensual PvP, one of the cornerstones of the sandbox philosophy.

So what gives? The CSM either cares deeply for the sandbox, or it doesn't.

So what does The Mittani do? He wages highsec piracy (ganking) upon Gallente ice miners. Now, I'm all for this. It is what EVE is about, after all. But what about the timing? With CCP already giving concessions to the screaming carebears, does making them scream ever louder help the situation? Hilmar has already suggested that CONCORD needs buffing to curb ganking. No word yet on whether this is something CCP is currently working on, but Arnar Hrafn Gylfason (Senior Producer for EVE Online) readily agreed with Hilmar. Two top CCP dudes agreeing that ganking needs to be curbed. Take from that what you will. If it happens it will be the final nail in the coffin and non-consenual PvP in highsec will be officially dead.

The Mittani, whatever agenda he might have with his Gallente Ice Interdiction (and the agenda certainly isn't financial -- Goons were ******* rich before the interdiction and they'll be ******* rich after the interdiction), it's certainly working to change the sandbox, maybe even removing one entire section of space from having to participate in an important aspect of it (i.e., combat.)

I'm beginning to think that The Mittani's agenda is scorched earth. That he decided sometime in August that he was leaving EVE Online after his CSM term was complete, but that before he left, he was going to leave EVE in such a state, that he would feel absolutely no compulsion to return. The agenda is to force CCP into ******* with the sandbox, change the face of EVE for good. He'll leave the game come early 2012, and a good portion of the Drone Clusterfuck Federation will follow.

It's a thought and a possibility, at any rate. He certainly seems hellbent on forcing CCP into some highsec changes that aren't going to bode well for the game overall.

you should have warned me that i have to put my tinfoil hat before reading this.

You weren't let in on the plan. You're a pleb in the organization. :)

I'm beginning to think that The Mittani's agenda is scorched earth.

I'm satisfied that Hilmar, as a mature and knowledeable person will not be bulldozed or bullied into anything that will hurt the income and ongoing success of Eve. He's done right before, no reason he won't do what's right again.

I'd also like for you to add on my personal theory of how The Mittani has personally been training bears to fly Thrashers for the Red Alliance.

That is actually absolutely true. He even trains them to post on boards. Just look at me.

If he is intending to "Burn Eden" as it were, he's biting off far more than he can chew. Eve is much bigger than Mittens, for all his beliefs otherwise.

QFT

Put the tinfoil away. Goons like this game. They want it to be better. The Gallente ice interdiction is an extension of null-sec warfare, an attempt to affect the supercap problem before winter hits. The Goons are naturally railing against the stagnation (and fun) that has vacated null-sec and are being proactive.

Either Mittens is scared of the DRF and is trying to kneecap them or he intends to invade. Who really gives a **** anymore?

80% of Eve is getting to the point they don't give a **** about Goons (CFC pets too) OR DRF.

It's a stagnated wasteland full of arrogant pricks who need a solid smack in the mouth to wake 'em up.

Thanks for backing me up?

Either Mittens is scared of the DRF and is trying to kneecap them or he intends to invade. Who really gives a **** anymore?

80% of Eve is getting to the point they don't give a **** about Goons (CFC pets too) OR DRF.

It's a stagnated wasteland full of arrogant pricks who need a solid smack in the mouth to wake 'em up.

Either Mittens is scared of the DRF and is trying to kneecap them or he intends to invade. Who really gives a **** anymore?

80% of Eve is getting to the point they don't give a **** about Goons (CFC pets too) OR DRF.

It's a stagnated wasteland full of arrogant pricks who need a solid smack in the mouth to wake 'em up.

It's in preparation of an invasion planned after winter expansion release.

He's promised TEST new space etc. Their plan is to take out NC., RDN., IRC, WN, SOLAR and SOL-W while RED, XIX, and XWX sit out any invasion. WN still is helping RED because they feel RED will help them later but supposidly Mittani has guarantees from RED, XIX and XWX that they won't intervene on any invasion of the rest of the former DRF.

DRF disbanded 3 weeks ago. If you think the CFC is a problem, come out and take care of it.

And getting the CSM positioned to get caps nerfed was an objective request? As I said, more than half of Eve probably don't give a **** anyway. Truly.

Mittens went and made this personal so I hope he ******* loses and I hope EVERY highsec miner joins the reds too. I truly do.

I'm siding with Russia. Most Aussies do, we hate the Yanks more than the reds. The arrogance. Ugggghhhhhh.

So Poetic finally gives up on stalking Eve University and decides to stalk Goons instead! Good luck...you're going to need it since you're now competing with The Apostle.

You don't get it do you. Nobody gaf anymore.

And getting the CSM positioned to get caps nerfed was an objective request? As I said, more than half of Eve probably don't give a **** anyway. Truly.

Mittens went and made this personal so I hope he ******* loses and I hope EVERY highsec miner joins the reds too. I truly do.

I'm siding with Russia. Most Aussies do, we hate the Yanks more than the reds. The arrogance. Ugggghhhhhh.

You've only got 4,000 sheep.

I'd only need 3 horses ya moron. Not even worth buying some hay to travel with.

And getting the CSM positioned to get caps nerfed was an objective request?

Getting supercaps nerfed means that the little guys have more of a chance in this game instead of getting squashed under a stack of nyxes and avatars.

You're just buttmad.

What part about the super nerfs will give the little guys a chance? Sure, it will reduce lolhotdrop from completely ruining lowsec, but all it does for nullsec is to make goons bigger and everyone else smaller.

So Poetic finally gives up on stalking Eve University and decides to stalk Goons instead! Good luck...you're going to need it since you're now competing with The Apostle.

I think you're confused...we are the little guys.

I have seen far more on the internet that supports that, and nothing whatsoever that supports conspiracy theories such as yours.

Isn't the whole concept of the sandbox based upon the fact that players can adjust tactics in response to the tactics of others? Game play will evolve in a similar style to a biological arms race. New players, like me, will either learn passively and suffer the consequences, or will take an active approach to learn much needed survival skills. If we accpet all this, why would the Goon's current campaign be any different to anything else the game has previously faced?

... Already, the war declaration system has been gutted. ... Yet, this policy change, removes all corporations (but especially highsec corporations) from a major component of non-consensual PvP, ...

I'm not against Gallente Ice Interdiction. It adds spice to the game. But considering Hilmar has his eyes on highsec and seems to want to make it SAFER, then this ongoing interdiction seems to be forcing CCP into making it safer sooner rather than later (after a good sleep and giving it a good think.)

Do you have any other actual proof of that, besides that one change regarding wardecs?

What did I miss that happened that made wardecs against highsec corporations impossible?

But there's this undercurrent of urgency on the part of CCP, that player retention is tied to highsec and changes need to be made. Radical changes. And without them, CCP will continue to bleed subscriptions.

Do you have any other actual proof of that, besides that one change regarding wardecs?

Do you have any other actual proof of that, besides that one change regarding wardecs?

The CEO of BoB swore death and destruction and the flatlining of Eve if his needs and wants where not met. Great threats of massive unsubs were held up as a form of extortion. The drama that ensued proved costly, both for BoB and a small group of CCP staff.

Eve is still here.
The bad CCP staff are not.
BoB is not.

I'm satisfied that Hilmar, as a mature and knowledeable person will not be bulldozed or bullied into anything that will hurt the income and ongoing success of Eve. He's done right before, no reason he won't do what's right again.

One Corporation does not Eve make, no matter what.

I wouldn't base my argument on something as sketchy as that.

The conspiracy theory is for fun.

The damage this interdiction could do, forcing CCP to make highsec even safer, is real.

They've already changed wardec policy such that if you want to avoid being wardecced, it is ******* ridiculously easy. If they buff CONCORD to make ganking even harder? Highsec becomes a completely risk-free environment. How is that good for the game?

In this instance, you listen to what they say ... you don't wait until its too late and they've already gone and done it.

As to the tweets, really? Your founding a grandiose conspiracy on tweets? /facepalm

you don't get it... this is a stealth re-nerf eve-u thread. If you follow the blog to see what links were linked, two of them lead straight to the dec-shield threads.

... a plot to overthrow CCP.

[quote=Halcyon Ingenium]That conversation might have amounted to nothing. It might have amounted to a meeting the next day, and then a directive to change CONCORD. We don't know. Should we wait until it is too late? Both of them obviously think its a good idea (or they did at the time.)

Why wait until we have tonnes of hindsight...

??

Overthrow CCP, cause eve to crash, is there all that much of a difference? Ones fate is tied to the others.

Whats even funnier is that there IS a grand conspiracy... But its against TEST

If you pay attention, you will see that Goons overwhelmingly detest TEST, and are trying to provoke the mighty highsec blob into attack, at which point they will use TEST as a meatshield, and let them get ground out of existence.

Once Montolio emoragequites, the interdiction will end because Goons achieved their goal.

Its all so obvious, how can you come up with this mind melting garbage about a plot to overthrow CCP.

All the wonderful threads about us say otherwise.

to do something not to Goonswarm's (or the Sandbox's) benefit.

This coming from an alliance that was almost reset by Test in Fountain through "lack of effort" and got so scared of the possibility that they sided with Goons to protect their scrawny ass.

I do laugh that it's actually FA that will be the meatshield in any case. You always were. Your screaming banshee leader made sure of that. lolz.

This coming from an alliance that was almost reset by Test in Fountain through "lack of effort" and got so scared of the possibility that they sided with Goons to protect their scrawny ass.

I do laugh that it's actually FA that will be the meatshield in any case. You always were. Your screaming banshee leader made sure of that. lolz.

Easy one, remove Concord [or cripple them hard] and eve dies.

Far back in the past [even before my time] there was no Concord. Only few new people arrived. Then they added Concord and the subscriber count "exploded". Do you really thing CCP would remove Concord and kick out half of the eve-population ?

When did this thread become a brainstorming session for terrible ideas?

[stuff about blob-warfare] He's promised TEST new space etc. Their plan is to take out NC., RDN., IRC, WN, SOLAR and SOL-W while RED, XIX, and XWX sit out any invasion. WN still is helping RED because they feel RED will help them later but supposidly Mittani has guarantees from RED, XIX and XWX that they won't intervene on any invasion of the rest of the former DRF. [more stuff about blobwarfare]

Take this trash out of General Discussion. Actually don't stop there, just take it out completely.

Yeah. I know. I did write some other **** about something, something, something but got bored so it's probably all up to **** and really I don't give a **** anymore about 0.0, CFC, CCCP, CCP, whatever.

Truly. This game is getting even MORE boring because the only "event" these days is watching some poor bastard get slaughtered by arrogant pigs of 0.0 warlords and it's now called "fun" because of it.

What have we become?

Just kill all the alliances, reset 0.0 and start the ******* game again. Any corp gets bigger than 100 members, Concord kills 'em.

Whatever. **** 'em all.

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omg loool u mad bro?

goons love eve - but goons dont love carebaere pussys getting stinking rich in high sec with 0 risk.
just think about 0 more ganks in high 0 more BIG AMMOUNTS of isk getting destroyed...

if they start the game again , yes but ALL 0 SP and 0 ISK and NO save zone like pussysec

'mittani is screaming for ccp

i stopped reading once i hit this part. you are kidding me right? are you serious? do you even know who mittens is?

Pfft,

the thing that makes all this funny is that it is all part of the plan.

goons are doing exactley what they are supposed to be doing.

I think Istvan Shogatsu said it best:

"The most effective pawn is one who does not realise they are standing on a chess board"

Keeps playing goons, keep playing - I'll get the pop corn ready.

AK

I sayz stuff...

Words

Whats even funnier is that there IS a grand conspiracy... But its against TEST

If you pay attention, you will see that Goons overwhelmingly detest TEST, and are trying to provoke the mighty highsec blob into attack, at which point they will use TEST as a meatshield, and let them get ground out of existence.

Once Montolio emoragequites, the interdiction will end because Goons achieved their goal.

Its all so obvious, how can you come up with this mind melting garbage about a plot to overthrow CCP.

When I do venture into nullsec, this is what I see....not much. For every 5 empty systems I might see 1 with a couple of people traversing another. For every 20 empty systems I might see 1 with a population above 5. IDK. Seems like null might be suffering from a lack of people. I've heard nullsec'ers complain about that very fact. If it's true then one must ask "Why?". Perhaps its for reasons I've already outlined. Whatever the reason, perhaps what we need to recognize is the possible changing of the face of Eve from being null-centric with huge lagging fleet battles with trillions of isk/tens of thousands of RL dollars at risk, to something more manageable for the masses. And maybe, that's why Mittani is having his tantrum? Maybe ganking defenseless ice miners is his way of saying "NOTICE US......please....we're really bored out here, someone come play with US".

It almost doesn't matter. Certain personalities are best kept away from any perceived position of clout or authority and his is one of those personalities. In truth, he has no power over CCP, but he thrives on the perception that he does and that perception isn't good for the integrity of the game.

The only saving grace here is that people like him usually self destruct when they get too full of themselves and in all likelihood he'll manage to get himself banned eventually.

Null sec did it to themselves.

FA is in a pretty good place these days...you should have stuck it out with them instead of getting run off by the evil afk cloakers. They have been flourishing now that they aren't being treated like serfs by the old NC.

I'm beginning to think that The Mittani's agenda is scorched earth.

I think he's the guy pressing CCP to nerf technetium moons (which is GSF's main source of income), fleet lag (which GSFs main fleet doctrine is designed to work in) and supercaps (which GSF and their allies are one of the major holders of).

Thinks the ice interdictio has something to do with capitals

I wonder whether Stanziel and Apostle are secretly some goon's alt meant to spew out such stupid and ridiculous **** that it actually helps to increase the popularity of Mittens by making his detractors seems far less intelligent by comparison. If this is the case, theyre succeeding wonderfully.

I guess I shouldnGÇÖt be surprised when people are either egotistical-attention-getters (oh, oh, letGÇÖs see how much forum action I can generate) or self-serving-ostriches (well that doesnGÇÖt fit my view of the world so IGÇÖll ignore/attack it) GǪ I just canGÇÖt decide if this whole Russian Roulette concept is the former or the latter.

So basically, because CCP acknowledged that the War-dec system was screwed and gave people a work until they fix it, that means there is a grand conspiracy......

Easy one, remove Concord [or cripple them hard] and eve dies.

Far back in the past [even before my time] there was no Concord. Only few new people arrived. Then they added Concord and the subscriber count "exploded". Do you really thing CCP would remove Concord and kick out half of the eve-population ?

However, your blog does seems to imply that fundamentally changing the "sandbox" to exclude non-consensual PVP as a bad thing for the game. Honestly, I see it as a positive move for the future of the game. There are more successful MMO's out there that cultivate a certain portion of their playerbase as carebears. The more successful MMO's that do this certainly outnumber the MMO's that don't.

OP, you simultaneously say the changes to wardecs end danger and risk in hisec and that the Goons are ganking people in hisec. Congratulations on contradicting yourself.

Why does EVE suddenly need to be like other MMOs. We have the community we do, because we aren't like other MMOs. We don't need to cookie-cutter it up.

... highsec players are surprisingly vocal...

No one is suggesting that CONCORD be removed.

That is actually absolutely true. He even trains them to post on boards. Just look at me.

I am. I hate when I'm trying to help some clueless player quit mining by blowing up his mining ship and concord swoops in and blows me up for no reason.

There will come a time, when GoonScum will fall.
GoonScum is the worst alliance and or corp in Eve in my mind.
Scam after scam after scam.
I was in a corp that were blue to the GoonScum and had the oppourtinity to part take in some of their operations fighting PL and friends. Let me say this, there is no doubt in my mind that all the players in GoonScum are just loosers in real life. They have been degraded in real life and have found EVE to take their anger out. I have had the pleasure of listening to people just discuss how they scammed this newbie or that newbie. It was really embarrassing to be associated with these people.
The make Eve not fun. It is simple as that...I think CCP needs to take some action against this corp. Start by taking out Bitchitani off the board.

Hilmar has already suggested that CONCORD needs buffing to curb ganking.

No word yet on whether this is something CCP is currently working on, but Arnar Hrafn Gylfason (Senior Producer for EVE Online) readily agreed with Hilmar.

I'm beginning to think that The Mittani's agenda is scorched earth. That he decided sometime in August that he was leaving EVE Online after his CSM term was complete, but that before he left, he was going to leave EVE in such a state, that he would feel absolutely no compulsion to return.

Mittani: Basically all ice miners are bots. Report them after you kill them! This way, not only do you kill them, you get them temp-banned!

I was in a corp that were blue to the GoonScum

there is no doubt in my mind that all the players in GoonScum are just loosers in real life.

Plus, I was looking at the forum rules for ***** an giggles and this is the list of offenses so far in the first post alone:

um lets see
Rule 18 violation - no advertisements
She's advertising her blog (with links provided)
(eh that one's kinda shaky lol)
oh definate rule number 5 "ranting prohibited" violation
DEFINATELY trolling Goons so rule #7 violated
Due to the rule 5 violation, this is not constructive so Rule #20 violation

There will come a time, when GoonScum will fall.
GoonScum is the worst alliance and or corp in Eve in my mind.
Scam after scam after scam.

reading the first page I saw



what? bullshit!
Link that please, thats stupid!

I love the Goons as they give the rest of EVE something to laugh at

have you ever seen any of them speak at fanfest they are always overweight and look like they are in desperate need of the Asthma inhaler


+1 to the goons everytime. If you are invisible to the rest of society at least you can be important in a computer game

Hmmm, yes I'm a noob, but to be honest, I feel the OP is reading far too much into current events involving CCP, the CSM, Hi Sec and the sandbox. I guess it makes for a great conspiracy theory and potential blog visits - all that is missing is the obligatory doomsday date prediction.

Isn't the whole concept of the sandbox based upon the fact that players can adjust tactics in response to the tactics of others? Game play will evolve in a similar style to a biological arms race. New players, like me, will either learn passively and suffer the consequences, or will take an active approach to learn much needed survival skills. If we accpet all this, why would the Goon's current campaign be any different to anything else the game has previously faced?

Hmmm, yes I'm a noob, but to be honest, I feel the OP is reading far too much into current events involving CCP, the CSM, Hi Sec and the sandbox. I guess it makes for a great conspiracy theory and potential blog visits - all that is missing is the obligatory doomsday date prediction.

Isn't the whole concept of the sandbox based upon the fact that players can adjust tactics in response to the tactics of others? Game play will evolve in a similar style to a biological arms race. New players, like me, will either learn passively and suffer the consequences, or will take an active approach to learn much needed survival skills. If we accpet all this, why would the Goon's current campaign be any different to anything else the game has previously faced?

This was garbage. I cant believe i read it all.

Why is it not possible that Goons are just doing this b/c they are bored and so they are RP'ing that they can only get sustenance from miner tears?

I don't want hisec to become a zone of invulnerability.

kill you are selves irl

kill you are selves irl

What should i get to eat today? stay slim and get a protein shake from the gym or long John silvers OR Panera Breads turkey basil sammich?

Not until they add some other massive mineral sink, like arenas for instance.

Hardest job in the world is trying to find any meaningful content in a Goon post

I see only one solution to this - TOTAL CIVIL WAR!!!!

The Winter Expansion should be that you log on and have two buttons - Fight for Mittani, or fight for the Ice Miners. With all of New Eden falling under two Alliances - there will be an 3pic bloodbath, and the winner determines the future of highsec and suicide ganking.

If Mittani wins, Concord is removed, and replaced by Goon Police (TM), each armed with Fleet Issue Titan. Fleet Issue Titan will have original DD mechanic restored. Local will be removed, asteroids will be removed from wormholes, and the entire game becomes 0.0. CCP Dropbear will adjust lore for RP purposes.

If the Ice Miners win, than all PvP in the game will exist in a single arena in Delve, where you must ask permission before you can lock a target and fire a weapon. The Apostle will be declared CEO of CCP, and all the gamers disgruntled with Mists of Pandaria will flee to New New Eden, where they can farm gold and /emote dance in stations. 3pic mount segways will be sold to players via NeX store, and all stations will be redecorated for each and every Holiday. Mittens and Helicity Boson will each receive a permaban from EvE and all of the interweb, and fitted with a RF ankle bracelet that scrambles all nearby WiFi signals.

Starting this Winter - your actions will finally have consequence. Welcome to the future.

kill you are selves irl

Poasting in a Goon Alt post.

guy on twitter:
my dad also plays (77 years old!) but is becoming increasingly annoyed at the suicide gankers
Hilmar:
do we need to take a look at some CONCORD AI upgrades to curb the ganking
reply:
I believe we need to look at it, yes

This was garbage. I cant believe i read it all.

Why is it not possible that Goons are just doing this b/c they are bored and so they are RP'ing that they can only get sustenance from miner tears?

QFT.

there is nothing more entertaining than a thread full of bad ideas

The logical solution: Remove insurance from CONCORD deaths.
The Armageddon solution: Add ice to all CONCORD space belts. Yulai will have 30 ice mining belts.

let's see

CONCORD instaneuts, instajams and instagibs you as soon as they're on grid, why does it need a buff at all?

either the idea i gave above OR no six second wait. Instantly warp to offender

Why in the world would CCP do that? CONCORD isn't meant to protect you, it's meant to provide consequences for suicide ganking.

If they implement that, then you should be able to tank and evade CONCORD.

OK, two seconds then. Then you can still alpha or youre ******

make it hard at least, ****

[quote=Kinis Deren]Why is that so many players refuse to adapt?

CCP will understand how removing high sec wars and ganking will increase inflation.

What if the removal of higher end ice and minimising of mid level minerals from high sec was to accompany this?

What if level 4s started entering low sec more frequently?

On top of the other proposed ideas (taking away insurance, instant CONCORD response, etc.) nobody would be suicide ganking. High-sec is not safe nor is it supposed to be, period.

It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space? This may seem radical, but think about it: wih proper incentives, player alliances may want to build up economic systems and defend them. And with the proper tools, players will be able to defend systems better than CONCORD.

k, goin back to my first idea: remove CONCORD. Faction status and faction police only. Let the players police themselves.
No consequences, space is dangerous.

It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space?

It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space? This may seem radical, but think about it: wih proper incentives, player alliances may want to build up economic systems and defend them. And with the proper tools, players will be able to defend systems better than CONCORD.

This imo. Ofc unless the new ppl coming into the game are especially hard, we probably wouldnt get any new players again

That's like a miner asking "why not just do away with guns?"...

Some people like being a peon in a mega alliance, some people don't. The variety of types of space support a whole varied ecosystem of ways you can play the game. There are very different opportunities in each type of space. Just tossing all that away and replacing it with homogenized goonspace seems like it would pretty much destroy the game.

I agree. Space is dangerous - 200k skillpoint noobs should be griefed in high sec.+1

Not everyone is afraid of conflict as you are. I know people who quit eve BECAUSE of highsec BS, because they never got to see 0.0 and thought eve was the most boring, lame thing ever.

This describes most peoples impression of highsec.

Well, for one thing you can't actually achieve anything worth mentioning without a large group of people involved, so the people who don't want to be 'peons' condemn themselves to being being cogs who will never be able to achieve fame.

What real reason is there to play eve other than the acclaim of other players? If you say earning isk, I will have to hunt you down.

Well, for one thing you can't actually achieve anything worth mentioning without a large group of people involved, so the people who don't want to be 'peons' condemn themselves to being being cogs who will never be able to achieve fame.

What real reason is there to play eve other than the acclaim of other players? If you say earning isk, I will have to hunt you down.

There is no real reason to play any video game. People play video games because they think they are fun. Do you really get more acclaim by being one of 1000 people to do something awesome or to be 1 of a group of 10 people that accomplished something 1% as cool? Or something that is 0.1% as cool that you accomplished solo? Seems you could go both ways on that. On one hand, a lot more people hear about something it takes 1000 players to accomplish than something it takes 10 players to accomplish. But, then again, they probably could have accomplished it just as easily with 999 players, so it's hard to really get too proud about something that you're only 1/1000th of.

The acclaim of random dudes you've never met who don't even know your real name may seem like the obvious payout of the game to you, but that's just a personal preference kind of thing. There are lots of other things people enjoy about the game. Figuring out a solution to a problem for yourself and managing to do something you weren't able to do in the past is the main payout for me. I couldn't get that in a big corp really.

Anyways, the point is that there are a lot of ways to play the game. That's what makes it fun. Different people with different interests can find niches that suit those interests. All the posters on this forum that spend so much effort arguing "X is the best way to play the game so we should just make everybody play that way" are totally missing the point of the game IMO. It's like demanding that all the tv stations only play one particular show because you are convinced that it is the best show...

Seems to be where he guy I quoted is tryin to get things.

Um ... they CAN be as is you realize... its called suicide ganking, can flipping, etc etc etc etc

Sorry, when I fly in a thousand man fleet I make a difference, so my name stands out.

I identified a place I could perform well that would allow me to stand out

Why ? ItGÇÖs all said in his first paragraph of his pamphlet GÇ£Goonswarm shruggedGÇ¥ for those who can read and draw strategically conclusions. The Man allowed his last strategic failure get to his bones and could not see the possibilities behind his own ignitionGÇÖs.
I am burning hard to give out the complete strategic analyze (marked/military) we made but for the fun of the game we want to watch the operation GÇ£Goonswarm struggledGÇ¥ up to its final scene.

I am burning hard

Such a shame Goons took the easy route. Destruction takes but an instant. Constructing, improving, that takes more effort, more stamina and better personalities.

Are Goons a reflection on the world? That so many wastes of space can band together to try and spread their misery?

The highsec people want it to become more like WOW (sorry but its true)

Im sorry i dont know what that means. This was not included in our training.

The brutality of eve is what made this game popular. The popularity is going to kill eve because the mainstream gamer isnt used to this type of brutality, at all.

There is no right side for CCP here. They have to choose to ether conform to the highsec or the nullsec people. Nullsec people want eve the way it used to be - brutal and unforgiving. The highsec people want it to become more like WOW (sorry but its true)

Nullsec people have "eve" the way it used to be. They left highsec and went to nullsec.

Highsec people don't want highsec to be nullsec. They want it to be highsec.

If they wanted highsec to be like nullsec they'd go to nullsec and then they'd be in nullsec and highsec would still be highsec...

The problem now is nullsec came to highsec saying they want nullsec like it "used to be".

But they came to highsec to do it....

Now highsec peeps are thinking of moving to nullsec because highsec is as tough as nullsec anyway.

Thought for today: Why have highsec?
Thought for tomorrow: Why have ANY sec?

Remove gateguns, Concord, wardecs and HTFU.

Make NO difference to miners whatever the **** you do.

This coming from an alliance that was almost reset by Test in Fountain through "lack of effort" and got so scared of the possibility that they sided with Goons to protect their scrawny ass.

I do laugh that it's actually FA that will be the meatshield in any case. You always were. Your screaming banshee leader made sure of that. lolz.

Thought for today: Why have highsec?
Thought for tomorrow: Why have ANY sec?

High sec is fine as is, we have a saying here in New York, don't fix it if it ain't broken , Christ CCP, use your heads for a change

I believe most players want different sec since it caters to different play styles and help n00bs into the game. But that doesn't mean high sec should be completely safe. It is a PvP game ffs.

So REMOVE Concord, remove gateguns and HTFU.

Didn't I SAY that....???

I also said it'd make no difference to miners.

PvP'ers DON'T want the change. Why? Cos they''ll ******* die.

EXACTLY. So REMOVE Concord, remove gateguns and HTFU.

That would probably kill EvE and only a few select people wants that. Most players like EvE and that is why they are playing it. It is a different game with a smaller target group than other games. It is a niche game. And very successful at it too. How many MMOs can show growth every year for almost a decade. Why change such a winning formula?

Winning formula?

PvP'ers get to kill unarmed vessels claiming it's "sandbox" yadda ya, all the while USING Concord to protect THEIR ass in highsec.

When a miner says "c'mon, fair crack here fella" he's told to HTFU and the usual crap.

So why are you, Mr. "leet", USING Concord to protect YOUR ass in highsec but anyone else is lame, weak, cowardly for saying they want protection.

So Eve is PvP ad nauseum but only if YOU are allowed to die but not ME? amirite?

PvP'ers DON'T want the change. Why? Cos they''ll ******* die and there's no respawn button.

EXACTLY. So REMOVE Concord, remove gateguns and HTFU.

Didn't I SAY that....???

I also said it'd make no difference to miners.

PvP'ers DON'T want the change. Why? Cos they''ll ******* die.

Thats nothing actually done, only talk..

Why would you wait until they actually do it. They talked about it. They agreed about the need for it. Since we don't know that they aren't actually working on it ... best to bring it up before it is too late.

Easier to get CCP not to implement something, than it is to get them to unimplement something.