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Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:34:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:What should i get to eat today? stay slim and get a protein shake from the gym or long John silvers OR Panera Breads turkey basil sammich?
Wataburger tripple meat, watasized, Dr. Pepper. |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
22
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:35:00 -
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Fille Balle wrote:Not until they add some other massive mineral sink, like arenas for instance.
How 'bout some massive null sec wars?
Just an idea.....but it might work.
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
65
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:44:00 -
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Hardest job in the world is trying to find any meaningful content in a Goon post |
Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
21
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:00:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Hardest job in the world is trying to find any meaningful content in a Goon post
Poasting in a Goon Alt post.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
405
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:10:00 -
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I see only one solution to this - TOTAL CIVIL WAR!!!!
The Winter Expansion should be that you log on and have two buttons - Fight for Mittani, or fight for the Ice Miners. With all of New Eden falling under two Alliances - there will be an 3pic bloodbath, and the winner determines the future of highsec and suicide ganking.
If Mittani wins, Concord is removed, and replaced by Goon Police (TM), each armed with Fleet Issue Titan. Fleet Issue Titan will have original DD mechanic restored. Local will be removed, asteroids will be removed from wormholes, and the entire game becomes 0.0. CCP Dropbear will adjust lore for RP purposes.
If the Ice Miners win, than all PvP in the game will exist in a single arena in Delve, where you must ask permission before you can lock a target and fire a weapon. The Apostle will be declared CEO of CCP, and all the gamers disgruntled with Mists of Pandaria will flee to New New Eden, where they can farm gold and /emote dance in stations. 3pic mount segways will be sold to players via NeX store, and all stations will be redecorated for each and every Holiday. Mittens and Helicity Boson will each receive a permaban from EvE and all of the interweb, and fitted with a RF ankle bracelet that scrambles all nearby WiFi signals.
Starting this Winter - your actions will finally have consequence. Welcome to the future. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
1
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:16:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I see only one solution to this - TOTAL CIVIL WAR!!!!
The Winter Expansion should be that you log on and have two buttons - Fight for Mittani, or fight for the Ice Miners. With all of New Eden falling under two Alliances - there will be an 3pic bloodbath, and the winner determines the future of highsec and suicide ganking.
If Mittani wins, Concord is removed, and replaced by Goon Police (TM), each armed with Fleet Issue Titan. Fleet Issue Titan will have original DD mechanic restored. Local will be removed, asteroids will be removed from wormholes, and the entire game becomes 0.0. CCP Dropbear will adjust lore for RP purposes.
If the Ice Miners win, than all PvP in the game will exist in a single arena in Delve, where you must ask permission before you can lock a target and fire a weapon. The Apostle will be declared CEO of CCP, and all the gamers disgruntled with Mists of Pandaria will flee to New New Eden, where they can farm gold and /emote dance in stations. 3pic mount segways will be sold to players via NeX store, and all stations will be redecorated for each and every Holiday. Mittens and Helicity Boson will each receive a permaban from EvE and all of the interweb, and fitted with a RF ankle bracelet that scrambles all nearby WiFi signals.
Starting this Winter - your actions will finally have consequence. Welcome to the future.
I'm throwing all my money at the screen and nothing is happening. |
Psychophantic
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:30:00 -
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Andski wrote:kill you are selves irl
The Mittani effect....
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
65
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:31:00 -
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Baaldor wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:Hardest job in the world is trying to find any meaningful content in a Goon post Poasting in a Goon Alt post.
If you could tell me how this is a goon alt post ill give you all my isk and quit the game forever. Thats your challange for today |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
26
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:39:00 -
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The logical solution: Remove insurance from CONCORD deaths. The Armageddon solution: Add ice to all CONCORD space belts. Yulai will have 30 ice mining belts. |
Jita Alt666
429
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:23:00 -
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Why does there need to be a solution?
To the OP: CCP will understand how removing high sec wars and ganking will increase inflation. What if the removal of higher end ice and minimising of mid level minerals from high sec was to accompany this?
What if level 4s started entering low sec more frequently?
both ideas are already floating around. |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:10:00 -
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Quote:guy on twitter: my dad also plays (77 years old!) but is becoming increasingly annoyed at the suicide gankers Hilmar: do we need to take a look at some CONCORD AI upgrades to curb the ganking reply: I believe we need to look at it, yes
not exactly solid evidence...
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
486
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:15:00 -
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let's see
CONCORD instaneuts, instajams and instagibs you as soon as they're on grid, why does it need a buff at all? |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:16:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:This was garbage. I cant believe i read it all.
Why is it not possible that Goons are just doing this b/c they are bored and so they are RP'ing that they can only get sustenance from miner tears?
whats funny about that is theyre doing the opposite of what they pretend to be. They pretend to be "agents of change" I see them saying it all over. Theyer doing the exact opposite in 0.0. theyre stagnating all that into one giant alliance sio if theyre getting bored,its their own fault lol
I expect more and more of this in the coming days as more and more 0.0 are allied under the same banner and more and more bored 0.0 PVP hungry pilots there are.
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Minta Contha wrote:I don't want hisec to become a zone of invulnerability. QFT.
Andski wrote:there is nothing more entertaining than a thread full of bad ideas
wait a Goon WANTS an invulnerable High Sec?
X Gallentius wrote:The logical solution: Remove insurance from CONCORD deaths. The Armageddon solution: Add ice to all CONCORD space belts. Yulai will have 30 ice mining belts. Logical solution, remove CONCORD, let the faction police and the players police themselves They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:26:00 -
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Andski wrote:let's see
CONCORD instaneuts, instajams and instagibs you as soon as they're on grid, why does it need a buff at all?
either the idea i gave above OR no six second wait. Instantly warp to offender They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
486
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:48:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Andski wrote:let's see
CONCORD instaneuts, instajams and instagibs you as soon as they're on grid, why does it need a buff at all? either the idea i gave above OR no six second wait. Instantly warp to offender
Why in the world would CCP do that? CONCORD isn't meant to protect you, it's meant to provide consequences for suicide ganking.
If they implement that, then you should be able to tank and evade CONCORD. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Andski wrote:let's see
CONCORD instaneuts, instajams and instagibs you as soon as they're on grid, why does it need a buff at all? either the idea i gave above OR no six second wait. Instantly warp to offender Why in the world would CCP do that? CONCORD isn't meant to protect you, it's meant to provide consequences for suicide ganking. If they implement that, then you should be able to tank and evade CONCORD.
OK, two seconds then. Then you can still alpha or youre ******
make it hard at least, ****
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
487
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:05:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Andski wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Andski wrote:let's see
CONCORD instaneuts, instajams and instagibs you as soon as they're on grid, why does it need a buff at all? either the idea i gave above OR no six second wait. Instantly warp to offender Why in the world would CCP do that? CONCORD isn't meant to protect you, it's meant to provide consequences for suicide ganking. If they implement that, then you should be able to tank and evade CONCORD. OK, two seconds then. Then you can still alpha or youre ****** make it hard at least, ****
On top of the other proposed ideas (taking away insurance, instant CONCORD response, etc.) nobody would be suicide ganking. High-sec is not safe nor is it supposed to be, period. |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:12:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:[quote=Kinis Deren]Why is that so many players refuse to adapt?
Adapting requires some intelligence, but far more important: effort. Whining on forums is free.
After all since I am perfect, why should I change?? It's always the others you see. |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
16
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:13:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:CCP will understand how removing high sec wars and ganking will increase inflation.
I don't really buy inflation arguments for game play decisions. CCP can pretty much set the rate of inflation wherever they like in lots of ways. The current insurance mechanics, for example, contribute greatly to inflation. If they decided that they wanted to get rid of hi sec ganking, but did not want to increase inflation, they could figure out a way to do that.
Jita Alt666 wrote:What if the removal of higher end ice and minimising of mid level minerals from high sec was to accompany this?
What if level 4s started entering low sec more frequently?
I like both of those ideas, but with a major caveat. You can't really pve in crowded hostile space. So, if they try to force pve out of hi sec without making any other changes, I don't think it will really accomplish what it is intended to accomplish. If lots of people started going into low sec, low sec pve would rapidly become untenable. You'd basically always have probes up on dscan and every gate would be camped. The risk of pve in low sec would scale up with the reward, so the risk/reward dynamic would still favor hi sec. So, you'd just end up making null sec more profitable. But, null sec has it's own host of issues that make it unlikely that a bunch of hi sec people are going to head out there any time soon.
So, IMO, for a high sec nerf to have the desired effect of pushing people out into more dangerous space it would need to be accompanied by some kind of change to offset the overcrowding problem. For mining it might work better with the current number of systems than for missioning since you have wormhole space to spread the players across. Maybe they could introduce missions in wormhole space, but I'm not really sure that fits the wormhole lifestyle. Maybe they could add on a bunch of low sec systems to retain the lower population levels. Something I've always thought would be kind of cool would be to make a big, isolated, island of low sec somewhere very inaccessible. Maybe an island of low sec that you can only get to by jumping through wormholes or something would be fun. Or, failing that, an island of low sec out past null sec. I haven't really thought that all the way through, but one way or another, if you want to encourage people to move from hi sec to low sec you can't just ramp up the reward in low sec, you need to keep the risk constant too. |
x-Socrata-x
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
1
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:15:00 -
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It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space? This may seem radical, but think about it: wih proper incentives, player alliances may want to build up economic systems and defend them. And with the proper tools, players will be able to defend systems better than CONCORD. |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:17:00 -
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Andski wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Andski wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Andski wrote:let's see
CONCORD instaneuts, instajams and instagibs you as soon as they're on grid, why does it need a buff at all? either the idea i gave above OR no six second wait. Instantly warp to offender Why in the world would CCP do that? CONCORD isn't meant to protect you, it's meant to provide consequences for suicide ganking. If they implement that, then you should be able to tank and evade CONCORD. OK, two seconds then. Then you can still alpha or youre ****** make it hard at least, **** On top of the other proposed ideas (taking away insurance, instant CONCORD response, etc.) nobody would be suicide ganking. High-sec is not safe nor is it supposed to be, period.
k, goin back to my first idea: remove CONCORD. Faction status and faction police only. Let the players police themselves. No consequences, space is dangerous. They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:19:00 -
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x-Socrata-x wrote:It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space? This may seem radical, but think about it: wih proper incentives, player alliances may want to build up economic systems and defend them. And with the proper tools, players will be able to defend systems better than CONCORD.
This imo. Ofc unless the new ppl coming into the game are especially hard, we probably wouldnt get any new players again They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
26
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:21:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote: k, goin back to my first idea: remove CONCORD. Faction status and faction police only. Let the players police themselves. No consequences, space is dangerous.
I agree. Space is dangerous - 200k skillpoint noobs should be griefed in high sec.+1 |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
16
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:26:00 -
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x-Socrata-x wrote:It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space?
That's like a miner asking "why not just do away with guns?"...
Some people like being a peon in a mega alliance, some people don't. The variety of types of space support a whole varied ecosystem of ways you can play the game. There are very different opportunities in each type of space. Just tossing all that away and replacing it with homogenized goonspace seems like it would pretty much destroy the game. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
50
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:41:00 -
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x-Socrata-x wrote:It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space? This may seem radical, but think about it: wih proper incentives, player alliances may want to build up economic systems and defend them. And with the proper tools, players will be able to defend systems better than CONCORD.
I would agree to this if the average Eve player wasn't a selfish douche waving his E-peen in the air every time he feels threatened. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:42:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:x-Socrata-x wrote:It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space? This may seem radical, but think about it: wih proper incentives, player alliances may want to build up economic systems and defend them. And with the proper tools, players will be able to defend systems better than CONCORD. This imo. Ofc unless the new ppl coming into the game are especially hard, we probably wouldnt get any new players again Not everyone is afraid of conflict as you are. I know people who quit eve BECAUSE of highsec BS, because they never got to see 0.0 and thought eve was the most boring, lame thing ever.
This describes most peoples impression of highsec.
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:49:00 -
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Teamosil wrote:x-Socrata-x wrote:It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space? That's like a miner asking "why not just do away with guns?"... Some people like being a peon in a mega alliance, some people don't. The variety of types of space support a whole varied ecosystem of ways you can play the game. There are very different opportunities in each type of space. Just tossing all that away and replacing it with homogenized goonspace seems like it would pretty much destroy the game. Well, for one thing you can't actually achieve anything worth mentioning without a large group of people involved, so the people who don't want to be 'peons' condemn themselves to being being cogs who will never be able to achieve fame.
What real reason is there to play eve other than the acclaim of other players? If you say earning isk, I will have to hunt you down. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:55:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote: k, goin back to my first idea: remove CONCORD. Faction status and faction police only. Let the players police themselves. No consequences, space is dangerous.
I agree. Space is dangerous - 200k skillpoint noobs should be griefed in high sec.+1
Seems to be where he guy I quoted is tryin to get things.
Um ... they CAN be as is you realize... its called suicide ganking, can flipping, etc etc etc etc
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:57:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:x-Socrata-x wrote:It seems to me that the problem is trying to have a justice system with NPCs. Why not just do away with "high-sec" space, make everything player-owned, and give alliances more options for policing space? This may seem radical, but think about it: wih proper incentives, player alliances may want to build up economic systems and defend them. And with the proper tools, players will be able to defend systems better than CONCORD. This imo. Ofc unless the new ppl coming into the game are especially hard, we probably wouldnt get any new players again Not everyone is afraid of conflict as you are. I know people who quit eve BECAUSE of highsec BS, because they never got to see 0.0 and thought eve was the most boring, lame thing ever. This describes most peoples impression of highsec.
Nice personal attack... I was FOR the idea dumbass, that wasnt a troll attempt
Tallian Saotome wrote: Well, for one thing you can't actually achieve anything worth mentioning without a large group of people involved, so the people who don't want to be 'peons' condemn themselves to being being cogs who will never be able to achieve fame.
What real reason is there to play eve other than the acclaim of other players? If you say earning isk, I will have to hunt you down.
ISK They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
16
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Posted - 2011.10.29 01:11:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Well, for one thing you can't actually achieve anything worth mentioning without a large group of people involved, so the people who don't want to be 'peons' condemn themselves to being being cogs who will never be able to achieve fame.
What real reason is there to play eve other than the acclaim of other players? If you say earning isk, I will have to hunt you down.
There is no real reason to play any video game. People play video games because they think they are fun. Do you really get more acclaim by being one of 1000 people to do something awesome or to be 1 of a group of 10 people that accomplished something 1% as cool? Or something that is 0.1% as cool that you accomplished solo? Seems you could go both ways on that. On one hand, a lot more people hear about something it takes 1000 players to accomplish than something it takes 10 players to accomplish. But, then again, they probably could have accomplished it just as easily with 999 players, so it's hard to really get too proud about something that you're only 1/1000th of.
The acclaim of random dudes you've never met who don't even know your real name may seem like the obvious payout of the game to you, but that's just a personal preference kind of thing. There are lots of other things people enjoy about the game. Figuring out a solution to a problem for yourself and managing to do something you weren't able to do in the past is the main payout for me. I couldn't get that in a big corp really.
Anyways, the point is that there are a lot of ways to play the game. That's what makes it fun. Different people with different interests can find niches that suit those interests. All the posters on this forum that spend so much effort arguing "X is the best way to play the game so we should just make everybody play that way" are totally missing the point of the game IMO. It's like demanding that all the tv stations only play one particular show because you are convinced that it is the best show... |
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