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Zarithas
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Zarithas on 29/12/2005 15:17:15
Originally by: Jackxter Hey all
**** happens many ppl say! well it happened to me yesterday.
I was killing some rat in a 0.4 sector. I was having a hard time killing the rat, but I was gonna kill it eventually... All of a sudden a pirate pops out of nowhere - me having 0 shield and 1/2 armor on my destroyer - shoots two missiles and my ship blows up. Pods me right after.
Now I am not here to whine, since I knew it was risky going into 0.4 space, but why did he kill me like that? He killed me like a coward, when I was almost dead. Do pirates always behave this way? And did he get a reward for killing me? Cozz he wasn't asking for money either...
Jack out
Did he get a reward? At least 2.
-Any decent jettisoned modules -The corpse -The killmail
Not all pirates are after ransoms all the time, it just depends how the pirate is feeling or what he wants to do. He did not kill you like a coward, he almost definitely would've killed you whether you were fighting the rat or not.
Thank you for not whining though, at least you took it like a man and didn't do what some of the other posters do...
"A PIRATE KILLED ME 0.3 HE KILLED MY SHIP MY POD HE'S A ***** ******* %@#$@#$^&!@$$^^^**$$#%^$!!!!! CPP SHUD BAN HIM AND ANYONE LIEK HIM!"
Personally, I would say to just go ratting in 0.5 instead, you'll still get good rats there. Either that or bring friends into 0.4.
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Arhab
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:26:00 -
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Killing someones pod serves only one purpose, its to destroy his implants, period. Its like pulling the wings off a fly, it serves no other purpose then some sadistic subconcious urge all humans have. Killboard points? how many points do you get for destroying a pod?
Its a fair tactic in war since destroying pods makes the opponent lose more money in an attrition war/siege, but why pirates feel the need to pod, beside the sadistic thing is beyond me. As far as collecting corpses goes, i so far have never seen anyone post screenshots or brag about the number of corpses they own.
my 2 isk.
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eve warrior
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: eve warrior on 29/12/2005 15:26:15
Originally by: Eviljohn Most ppl with half a brain would only attack someone they think they could beat, at least pirates try.
Most honorable carebears , miners and agent runners fall into the coward classification as most dont even fire back and half log.
They just do the uber warror thing and post with alts moaning about how they got owned by a 12 year old coward that has mental problems
Btw im 13 this week send me isk for prezzys
Dam, u are actualy 5 years older then me.
Not to go off topic, Some of us kill just becase its what we do. I dont need isk, i dont need killmails, Its just that i sleep better at night knowing i have ruined someones day
But i dont pod ppl unless i am at war with them. Its too heavy on the sec ratings these days after ccp nurfed the rats that gave a 0.8 sec increase in complex's. As once again CCP make life harder for Pirates
Eve warrior
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Luthair StoneDog
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:26:00 -
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Oh god yes.. bring friends to 0.4.. targets are getting a little scarce round where I live.
Also.. Iberi.. wtf? Where is the profit in ONLY attacking small weak targets? We have to attack bigger stronger targets if we want a decent payoff. That's not to say we won't attack small fry when there is nothing else around.
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:33:00 -
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i collect corpses to drop infront of gates
they dont jettison into cans and u can drop as many as u like, u drop a few hundred at a warp in point and it acts like a massive net and as most ppl dont have bio mass on overview there like wtf
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Luthair StoneDog
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:37:00 -
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lol... actually. We have containers full of corpses.. it's a bit twisted, but good fun.
Oh and a pod is worth 50 points on our killboard.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Leon 026
Quote: It is real life fact. Pirate is coward
Hey, here's another "real life fact". People that whine about pirates being cowards, are cowards themselves. If they werent, they'd stuck if up and go hunt the pirates themselves instead of complaining.
Yes, but usually these people do not try to play Big Bang Hero. Contrary to average pirate which is of course Real Hero. But in fact pirate is usual coward. Because there is nothing heroic in killing defenseless noobs, shuttles and industrials.
Quote: Pirate's arent stupid, they are opportunists that attack weaker defended/armed ships to maximize efficiency for less risk for higher profit.
Sure. Stupid pirate has too short career.
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Arhab Killing someones pod serves only one purpose, its to destroy his implants, period. Its like pulling the wings off a fly, it serves no other purpose then some sadistic subconcious urge all humans have. Killboard points? how many points do you get for destroying a pod?
Its a fair tactic in war since destroying pods makes the opponent lose more money in an attrition war/siege, but why pirates feel the need to pod, beside the sadistic thing is beyond me. As far as collecting corpses goes, i so far have never seen anyone post screenshots or brag about the number of corpses they own
my 2 isk.
/emote checks snigg killboard.... 10 points a pod
Really I pod because if we dont the person just stays in system scaring off targets (smacking) or hop in a ship just to setup to blow up said pirate ship.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jackxter well guess I'm a fun easy target then... I'm learning.
if my corp wants to kill him, how can they find him...?
There are agent with a location service but they are bugged atm. Every region has at least one lvl3 agent that can find ppl in the whole universe. But if your corpies dont know this already they will most prob. not be able to use them.
-- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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Athanaric
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Posted - 2005.12.29 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Athanaric on 29/12/2005 15:54:40 Speaking of bravery and cowardice in an anonymous, electronically-mediated, fictitious game world is a bit silly. If you feel courage is actually an element of video gaming, I encourage you to leave your mom's basement once in a while and interact with real humans. Like ask a girl out or something...that should take some 'courage.'
As to poddings and psychology:
Podding people reinforces that the pirate is not to be toyed with. Much like public hangings, it serves to beat the sheep-like general populace into mewling submission so that they pay their ransom (or taxes if you happen to be a 'legitimate' government). So while poddings may seem unfair and unnecessary at first (especially the random ones), it adds to the whole air of fear and danger surrounding the pirate. Thus, when one actually offers to let you live for a small fee, you'll feel relieved and pay it. This fear probably actually saves lives, by making people pay up and by discouraging the faint of heart from even entering low-sec space.
Also, explosions make my pants get all tight in front.
Edit: OP has a good attitude about the whole thing I think.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Iberi there is nothing heroic in killing defenseless noobs, shuttles and industrials.
No one has ever claimed that there is any honor in killing weaker targets. I don't care if people think so either, because it is the truth. Killing weaker targets is not honorable, nothing to argue here. However, when people with your shared opinion comes and says pirates are dishonorable, I lash back. Killing newbies does not make a pirate honorable, but it sure as hell does not make him automatically dishonorable.
There is no honor in paying taxes, going to work, going to school, spending your vacation with your family or buying a new car. Does this mean that the lack of honor extracted from these actions mean that they are dishonorable? Wouldn't that mean that every ordinary citizen such as yourself are lowlife scumbags without honor that deserves to be mocked in public by anonymous strangers?
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Jackxter
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Athanaric
Edit: OP has a good attitude about the whole thing I think.
well tnx...
realy I can't be bothered with the loss of my ship, I have enough money as it is... I just wanted to know why pirates kill :). I admit it's a stupid question, but I wanted to know what kind of profit there was in killing for them...
anywayz the destroyer was the toughest ship I could fly with my skills... think it will be easier to fly my stabber into 0.4 space? I've got the skills today... or will I just get killed again...? I mean at what point can I venture into unsecure space and have a chance at beating hostile ...
Jack out
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Luthair StoneDog
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:23:00 -
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It's true.. all this discussion of honour and so forth is a little silly.
In the context of the game.. I'd say just about the only dishonourable thing a pirate could do is to ransom somebody and then kill 'em.
As far as honour goes... meh. I could take it or leave it. If I think I can kill you... I'll attack. If I don't.. I'll get some help or move on. I'm honest... If I jump into your belt.. or you see me hovering over a gate, it doesn't take a genius to work out what comes next. I'm -9.6 lol... p.s if anybody wants to add to my bounty.. that would be great. It's pretty pathetic atm.
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milinkoee
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jackxter
Now I am not here to whine, since I knew it was risky going into 0.4 space, but why did he kill me like that?
He killed you because you made yourself an easy target. He didn't appear out of nowhere. He was obviously in local before he found you volunerable in the belt. You just let your guard down.
He podded you because you weren't prepared to warp away once your ship blew up. A hint, turn off turret and all other effects (CTRL-ALT_Shift+E and CTRL-ALT_Shift+T). This way you won't lag so bad when the ship pops. As your ship is about to blow be ready to right click and warp to your safe spot, which you of course created on entering the >.4 system, right?
A few simple precautions would have prevented your getting podded and/or killed at all.
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Athanaric
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jackxter
anywayz the destroyer was the toughest ship I could fly with my skills... think it will be easier to fly my stabber into 0.4 space? I've got the skills today... or will I just get killed again...? I mean at what point can I venture into unsecure space and have a chance at beating hostile ...
Best bet is to train tanking and gunnery skills or bring friends. If solo, just expect to lose alot of ships in low sec. Honestly, ratting in a rifter and docking after every belt is a good way to keep your isk and not lose too much at a time. Avoid fitting tech 2 and expensive named mods. Don't fly in low sec with implants. Maybe fit warp core stabs if you don't mind running. Or gyros if you wanna fight it out .
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Jackxter
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:46:00 -
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as I said I tried to warp, both with my ship and my pod, but it did not work and I was killed before anything happened...
and I am a new player so I realy don't know about these precautions you are talking about...
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milinkoee
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jackxter as I said I tried to warp, both with my ship and my pod, but it did not work and I was killed before anything happened...
and I am a new player so I realy don't know about these precautions you are talking about...
I believe I just posted them explicitly.
Most important, watch local like a hawk, right click "show info" any new contact in local. Negative sec status, safe spot immediately, don't finsh killing rat or picking up loot, just run to safe.
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Luthair StoneDog
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Posted - 2005.12.29 16:59:00 -
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Keep local open.. keep it seperate from everything else, and check the info of every new player who appears.
In Castor.. there was a blue ball thing in the bottom right of the screen. It was some kind of scanner.. but I have to say, it was bloody useless. I used to detatch the local chat window and sit it all by itself directly over the top of the useless radar display.
Keep your eye on local... it'll save your ship.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.12.29 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 29/12/2005 17:12:08 Until CCP removes alts, all noobs must pay for the actions of wealthy alliance folk who enjoy moving their bpo's around using alts in shuttles, noob ships, and any other crappy frig they can find.
I help noobs when I can, but if I see a random player trying to move around in his little frigate, I will kill it, because sometimes they drop the most valuable loot.
And killing pods is just a way to keep the smack down in local, and prevent the guy from warning all the timid people on the other side of the gate.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2005.12.29 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jackxter and I am a new player so I realy don't know
Knowledge will not come to you by itself and it's not for free.
-- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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Jark Mennings
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Posted - 2005.12.29 17:35:00 -
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I feel for you my friend, but the only way to learn lessons is to have them happen to you. Have a think about what you have learned from this...
1) .4 is no place for a destroyer on his own ratting 2) Player sec status below -5? guess whats coming next 3) Local chat is a useful tool 4) Warp Core stabs are your friends 5) Some pirates like the thrill of the hunt, some are skilled, some are not-so skilled , some are dangerous BUT most importantly avoid unless you are prepared and even then some of them have more tricks than David Copperfield. Pirating is not my cup of tea but without them EVE would not be the same.
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MWEI
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Posted - 2005.12.29 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: MWEI on 29/12/2005 22:40:37 uhm.. because its a game?
it reflects more on your arrogance to whine about being killed in low sercuity space. if you dont like it, DONT GO THERE.
Why would anyone in CS stare at you when he can shoot you? When has "why" ever appeared into a game that involves blowing others up?
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Dan Black
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Posted - 2005.12.29 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jark Mennings David Copperfield
= a wus at pirating!
anyhow, you can say pirates only gank noobs, but being new to the proffession, I say it's a damn hard job to make a living out.
You don't just gank NPC-ers without any defense, rather then their tank. You're also in low sec space, ALL the time, you have to fight other pirates. You have to watch out for ambushes 24/7. You can get ganked at a gate by campers while hunting. But most of all. The skill of tracking someone down with your scanner before they've seen you in local. I wouldn't say the pirate proffession is one of cowards, rather then to see a nice and easy explosion Once In A While...
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2005.12.29 23:26:00 -
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"Knowledge will not come to you by itself and it's not for free."
Fortune cookie platitudes, however, are a free all-you-can-eat buffet!
Welcome to Eve, Jackxter. You've just received your "this game can be brutal" wake-up call...it happens to many of us. It feels lousy at first, but you'll get used to it. And with luck and effort, you'll get even.
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Apian
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Posted - 2005.12.29 23:34:00 -
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Most pirates are actully good pvpers; the bad ones die out. Although I do not believe that pirates should target the weaker players; let them grow into big fish that's worth spending time on =)
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2005.12.30 00:43:00 -
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because we can?
if ur fast, you can get ur pod outta there w/o much problem, only frigs or the T2 variants will have a chance at u (or gatecampers :) )
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Hadrian kadath
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Posted - 2005.12.30 01:59:00 -
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Fed customs can track players, never tried it though. As far as a why? No clue, rather than an ego trip, but space sure seems has an abundance of ********s.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.30 02:09:00 -
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First time getting podded? Erm... welcome to EvE.
Mine was Day Three in a hauler. ----------------
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Feriluce
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:06:00 -
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^^ Why is my alt the first in the dropdown list
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Xulnaga
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:48:00 -
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I saw it! I was horrified.
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