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Jayem See
Biohazard.
WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:02:00 -
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What right does the West have to imply the use of MWD. Anyone that develops them has the ultimate FAIL that mutual destruction is assured.
So by all means do it. Nobody is going to win. As if we truly matter.
This beautiful planet will carry on without our stupid ass.
The funny thing is the posturing that makes one race feel better than another.
Aaaaaaand relax. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
33289
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:21:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:What right does the West have to imply the use of MWD. Anyone that develops them has the ultimate FAIL that mutual destruction is assured.
So by all means do it. Nobody is going to win. As if we truly matter.
This beautiful planet will carry on without our stupid ass.
The funny thing is the posturing that makes one race feel better than another.
Honestly, we wrote most of international law and chose to bring in other nations as equals and decolonise, the UN was built because thats what the Superpowers in the immediate aftermath of WW2 desired. If it wasn't then it wouldn't be there, along with international law. How hard would it have been for say the Western Allies to conquer the world in Operation Unthinkable, incorporating the Wermarcht into the Allied forces and assaulting the USSR under nuclear bombardment.
That's what we avoided, it might be the most arrogant thing the west can say, but its true that at that point nothing came close, with the US being the lone nuclear power, Britain having only its side of collaboration in the Manhattan project and the Soviets pouring over theoretical papers.
Hence the current arrangement of those Nuclear Superpowers eyeing each other as equals that could cut deals with each other to avoid actually using the Arsenals that maintained their power, and keeping the club exclusive to avoid an unstable nation (ie Pakistan) gaining the fire-power to disrupt the peace. There was absolutely nothing fair about this, it was power politics on a global scale to avoid large scale warfare and history has proved that its been the most effective enforcer of the Industrial age, Europe since the collapse of the Roman Empire.
Peace is on the one side, fairness on the other, and human nature permeating the whole thing, which chose peace.
And if the planet is going to carry on regardless of our existence, I would much prefer humanities demise far, far in the future and steps taken to ensure that.
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Grimpak
Duty.
The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:35:00 -
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well ******* hell.
I'm going on a limb here, and I really hope that I'm completely wrong but..
well there is this personal "doomsday prophecy" that I have, where I believe the next "Big One" will start with small-ish regional conflict, akin to how the World War 1 started, and then how it will snowball dragging more and more countries to it, pretty much becoming a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
up until this day I didn't had any reasons to believe this would happen in the next 10 to 15 years, but England just made me believe it might start much more sooner than expected.
hell guys, I really hope I'm wrong...
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jason hill
The Riot Formation
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:41:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Kirjava wrote:
I'm also under the impression that this is Britain and France dragging the US into war, not the other way around...
Sounds suspiciously like Libya. Pretty much.
not so much Britain and france but more like William bloody hague dragging us into war ...Christ on a fkn bike why cant the bloke just shut his bloody mouth |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
33289
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:42:00 -
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Thing is, now the cats out of the bag with WMD's invasion going up highly in probability, what's going to stop Assad deciding that if he loses the war he will get dealt with like ******, and Qaddaffi. He probably doesn't see himself like that, but knows that the West does.
He has WMD's, and Israel is sitting right there, if Grimpak you are looking at a spark for this to escalate then that would be what I would be worried about.
But keep in mind I'm just speculating and rationalising what I know about the area into current events, hindsight will show how close to the mark any of it is really.
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Jayem See
Biohazard.
WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:44:00 -
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jason hill wrote:Kirjava wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Kirjava wrote:
I'm also under the impression that this is Britain and France dragging the US into war, not the other way around...
Sounds suspiciously like Libya. Pretty much. not so much Britain and france but more like William bloody hague dragging us into war ...Christ on a fkn bike why cant the bloke just shut his bloody mouth
10-4 - Nasal idiot drags us into something that has nothing to do with us.
Aaaaaaand relax. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:53:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:
The funny thing is the posturing that makes one racereligion feel better than another.
Fixt. They are the same race. |
jason hill
The Riot Formation
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:53:00 -
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anyways as far as I understand it Cameron and the rest of the bloody idiots have been told that they cant put boots on the ground ....cos the made too many of poor fukers redundant |
Grimpak
Duty.
The Cursed Few
1076
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:59:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:He has WMD's, and Israel is sitting right there, if Grimpak you are looking at a spark for this to escalate then that would be what I would be worried about.
the kindle is there, the wood is there, and you have the fireplace all setup and ready to go. all you need is a goddamn spark, and whadda you know, England might have that goddamn spark.
c'mon guys, I know it was a barbaric attack but the situation down here is so sensitive ****** up that direct military intervention might just make it worse.
Hell in the state Egypt is atm, the social disturbances in Turkey and all the other countries that are still reeling over the Arab Spring, I won't be surprised if some bozo decides to aim a damn missile at Israel in the midst of all this clusterfuck and next thing you know, nukes are flying all over.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12355
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Posted - 2013.08.26 23:56:00 -
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The schism between the different factions of Islam seems to be following down the path of the historical schism in the Christian Church during the late Middle Ages (also known as the Dark Ages). Strangely enough during that time Islam was the centre of scientific and academic study, while the Christians were busy burning women at the stake for owning a cat and slaughtering each other for a slightly different interpretation of the Bible.
The whole Shia and Sunni thing is pretty much mirroring the history of western religion, except these days the belligerents have the ability to kill each other in much greater numbers, and in much less time.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
40537
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Posted - 2013.08.27 00:02:00 -
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God GÇÅ@TheTweetOfGod 2m
When it comes to Syria the time for harsh rhetoric is over. It is now time for even harsher rhetoric. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
33291
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Posted - 2013.08.27 00:16:00 -
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Civilians lining up for gas masks in Israel now, siege mentality incoming.
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Kytayn
Kronos TEchnologies
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Posted - 2013.08.27 00:36:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The schism between the different factions of Islam seems to be following down the path of the historical schism in the Christian Church during the late Middle Ages (also known as the Dark Ages). Strangely enough during that time Islam was the centre of scientific and academic study, while the Christians were busy burning women at the stake for owning a cat and slaughtering each other for having a slightly different interpretation of the Bible.
The whole Shia and Sunni thing is pretty much mirroring the history of western religion, except these days the belligerents have the means to kill each other in much greater numbers, and with more efficiency. The radicalisation is mainly the fault of fundamentalist Imams putting their own spin on the Koran while ignoring or twisting the bits of it that talk about tolerance for other religious beliefs, ignoring the fact that in the past Islam allowed, and actively encouraged women to get an education and anything else that doesn't match their blinkered ideology.
Even as a dyed in the wool atheist I respect the beliefs of those that are not, as long as their beliefs don't advocate murder, war etc; each to their own.
Is it just me or does the situation bring to mind a quote from Ambassador Kosh? "...we should let them pass." |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.08.27 02:56:00 -
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Called it.
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Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2013.08.27 03:12:00 -
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Im not getting drawn into a debate on this as doing this via my phone would take forever.
But in a nutshell:
This is all pants on head crazy. From a military and financial standpoint.
From an Israeli standpoint bar the nutters who wont fight anyway this is all nuts. Dont interfere in a civil war especially with heart eating / christian / alawite beheading jihadi rebels. Unless there will be classic USAF accuracy on friendlies *ahem* 2 birds 1 stone as it were.
Im wondering how USA/UK/France will react to possible casualties / hostage crises. The syrians have S300 SAMs and while the IAF travel for this kind of sortie this quite different than American aerial doctrine.
Could be wrong on that, but when i was in the IDF thats why a lot of yanks came for instruction with the IAF. Im just a tread head.
Anyone got any family / friends in the forces? Hows the combat fatigue looking?
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Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2013.08.27 05:00:00 -
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They did the same prior to the first Gulf War.
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Grimpak
Duty.
The Cursed Few
1076
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:14:00 -
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oh ****, there goes the safeguard.
surprisingly, it comes from Saudi Arabia tho.
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Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2013.08.27 08:04:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:oh ****, there goes the safeguard. surprisingly, it comes from Saudi Arabia tho.
Not really. Weakening Syria weakens Iran by proxy. Saudi and Iran are in their own mini cold war over control of the persian gulf (or arabian gulf as arab nations call it) and a holier than thou religious war for temporal power.
They sit back and sing Onward Christian Soldiers and reap the benefits.
Any strike will send oil up due to possible unknowns. (Read Iran)
Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12378
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Posted - 2013.08.27 08:27:00 -
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Oh joy, yet another war in the Middle East, yet another excuse for the Oil companies to jack up the price instantly and then take months to drop it back down to market values after it's all over.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
913
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Posted - 2013.08.27 08:52:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Oh joy, yet another war in the Middle East, yet another excuse for the Oil companies to jack up the price instantly and then take months to drop it back down to market values after it's all over.
Brent crude just hit $111 USD/bl.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Verge of Collapse
2470
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:02:00 -
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Graygor wrote:
Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.
You are aware that you are profiteering from a war?
Basically saying "I am feasting on the cadavers of dead Syrians".
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.08.27 10:22:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Graygor wrote:
Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.
You are aware that you are profiteering from a war? Basically saying "I am feasting on the cadavers of dead Syrians".
The best cadavers are the profitable ones.
but seriously, buying stock isn't war profiteering. Buying up all the grain, then waiting until the government finally pays you 10x it's worth is war profiteering.
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Astenion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
275
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Posted - 2013.08.27 10:51:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:I thought governments were meant to represent the people? Not force them down a route of death and retaliation.
Welcome to being an American for the last 20 years. Doesn't feel so nice, does it? Maybe you'll get to know what it feels like when the rest of the world hates you for what your government has done in the name of protecting its own interests.
But don't worry, you won't be alone; Europe will fight this war to the last American. |
Astenion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
275
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:06:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Im wondering how USA/UK/France will react to possible casualties / hostage crises. The syrians have S300 SAMs and while the IAF train for this kind of sortie this quite different than American aerial doctrine.
Obviously you don't know much about US weapons employment because, yes, they do train for that. And I'm not talking about AGM-88s and the HTS, either. It's not just a bunch of SA-2s with Fan Songs they train against.
Graygor wrote:Could be wrong on that, but when i was in the IDF thats why a lot of yanks came for instruction with the IAF. Im just a tread head
Yes. You're wrong on that. Stop posting things you even admit to not knowing. "The yanks" train with the IAF to hone their skills on those very same weapon systems. This is why things like Red Flag exist. |
Astenion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
275
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:18:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:I'm also under the impression that this is Britain and France dragging the US into war, not the other way around...
Of course it is. As I said in the post above, everyone's always willing to fight to the last American.
The irony in all of this is that if the US decided to stay out of it, they'd be criticized and shunned by the very same "allies" who criticize them and shun them for their foreign policy. The US is damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Take note at just how quickly this NSA scandal will be overlooked when the EU has to deploy real forces and not just a bunch of drunken blue UN helmets hanging out at the bar and brothels. Notice how all is forgiven when the US is asked to take the lead in force numbers, sorties, and ops tempo. For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see an all-NATO-sans-US force deal with a crisis. I'd dance a ******* jig.
Sadly, the US will be dragged into it by France and the UK, just like the US dragged everyone into its war(s).
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Astenion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
275
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:22:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Do you not genuinely believe that eventually we can sort it out?
What planet are you on? Are you a vegan or something? |
Angelique Duchemin
Alexylva Paradox
606
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:27:00 -
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Astenion wrote: For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see an all-NATO-sans-US force deal with a crisis. I'd dance a ******* jig.
How about the Suez Crisis? <--- literally named "Crisis" too
Pretty sure the US still owe France and Britian for that one. The way to the US handled the matter may very well have caused the 6 day war and all the bitterness that followed.
We miss you Saede.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
40725
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:42:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Graygor wrote:
Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.
You are aware that you are profiteering from a war?
That's pretty much the story of humanity. Nothing new here. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
40725
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:44:00 -
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I've had Astenion blocked for quite awhile. Highly recommend this defensive action.
Will have to avert my eyes from any quoting or the stupid will infect my mind. |
Astenion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
275
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:49:00 -
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Well, that was 56 years ago. While you're at it and since we're talking about owing people, why don't you go back to WW2, just a few years prior, and see who owes whom? Hell, why stop there? Why not go back to WW1 and ask who owes whom, because Britain got pulled into that one as well as the Americans.
The point I'm trying to make is that we live in a different world now (well, most of us), and looking back 50 years ago doesn't help anyone. Hell, Germany is a strong ally to both Britain and the US, and they were "the bad guys" in WW2. It's a moot point.
Time to do something different for once. |
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