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Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.21 15:31:00 - [151] Goodness. Reading a thread like this makes me despair of the future of Eve with a playerbase like this. Even Stavr0s is acting like a carebear :p c'mon Stavros you are better than that - no need to try to claim what Roark is doing is greifing. It's no more greifing than the pirating mOo or SI does every day. I heartily approve of what Roark is doing - it doesnt' depend on if he is in the right or wrong. He is trying to use in game methods to accomplish something, rather than whining on the boards or petitioning CCP to give him back his money. If you've got a problem with someone, blow them up. If you can't do it, pay other people to blow them up for you. This is how problems should be settled. Roark has every right to put such a huge bounty on James. James had every right to take the money, and has every right now to keep it, and thumb his nose at TTI and tell them to do their worst. Conflicts like that are what makes the game INTERESTING. I can't believe all the poor sports out there who think Roark should take such a huge loss laying down. Goodness. James saw an opportunity, moved in, and took it. Kudos to him for thinking quick and being fast on his feet. Now TTi is applying in game methods to get their money back. Kudos to them for actually seeking revenge in game, and actually DOING something, rather than sitting around whining or petitioning CCP to get it back. All of you who claim what TTi is doing is greifing just sicken me. Could you be any more carebear? Is what James did Greifing? What he did was perfectly acceptable by game mechanics. So is what Roark is doing. You seem to want to be able to steal money from someone and then not have to accept the consequences!! Grow some balls! That would be like me robbing a trader, and then running to the forums and crying when their corp declares war on me, saying how unfair all this 'greifing' that they are doing is. James effectively robbed TTI of 100 million. He did it in a perfectly acceptable way. Heck, it would be perfectly acceptable if he'd blown up Roark's ship and looted 100 mill from his cargo pod. TTI wants revenge. And thus the stage is set for a bit of fun. One of the guys in our alliance robbed a guy of 40 million: He agreed to buy 48 million of megacyte. The trader shows up, and puts in the megacyte to trade window. The buyer put in 4800000 isk. The trader clicked accept. The buyer gleefully informed us he'd just made about 43.2 million :) Now is this any different than what James is doing? Not really. Our guy knew the trader wasn't really wanting to sell all that megacyte for 4.8 million, just as James knew TTi wasn't really wanting to buy one unit of Tritanium for 100 million. But both were able to take advantage of a moment of inattentiveness on the part of the seller and robbed them blind. Good for them. To then claim the seller is 'greifing' when he comes back to reclaim what he lost is extremely childish. Tell 'em to do their worst and live with the consequences. Or cut a deal somehow. I think most of you are letting your envy and hatred of TTI get in the way of a rational view of this matter. It's perfectly fine to hate TTI and to cheer James on for taking themoney. Just at least have the maturity to not try to weep and wail about 'greifing'. Stop asking CCP to hold your hand and protect you from your choices in game.
Ulstan Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2003.08.21 15:31:00 - [152] Goodness. Reading a thread like this makes me despair of the future of Eve with a playerbase like this. Even Stavr0s is acting like a carebear :p c'mon Stavros you are better than that - no need to try to claim what Roark is doing is greifing. It's no more greifing than the pirating mOo or SI does every day. I heartily approve of what Roark is doing - it doesnt' depend on if he is in the right or wrong. He is trying to use in game methods to accomplish something, rather than whining on the boards or petitioning CCP to give him back his money. If you've got a problem with someone, blow them up. If you can't do it, pay other people to blow them up for you. This is how problems should be settled. Roark has every right to put such a huge bounty on James. James had every right to take the money, and has every right now to keep it, and thumb his nose at TTI and tell them to do their worst. Conflicts like that are what makes the game INTERESTING. I can't believe all the poor sports out there who think Roark should take such a huge loss laying down. Goodness. James saw an opportunity, moved in, and took it. Kudos to him for thinking quick and being fast on his feet. Now TTi is applying in game methods to get their money back. Kudos to them for actually seeking revenge in game, and actually DOING something, rather than sitting around whining or petitioning CCP to get it back. All of you who claim what TTi is doing is greifing just sicken me. Could you be any more carebear? Is what James did Greifing? What he did was perfectly acceptable by game mechanics. So is what Roark is doing. You seem to want to be able to steal money from someone and then not have to accept the consequences!! Grow some balls! That would be like me robbing a trader, and then running to the forums and crying when their corp declares war on me, saying how unfair all this 'greifing' that they are doing is. James effectively robbed TTI of 100 million. He did it in a perfectly acceptable way. Heck, it would be perfectly acceptable if he'd blown up Roark's ship and looted 100 mill from his cargo pod. TTI wants revenge. And thus the stage is set for a bit of fun. One of the guys in our alliance robbed a guy of 40 million: He agreed to buy 48 million of megacyte. The trader shows up, and puts in the megacyte to trade window. The buyer put in 4800000 isk. The trader clicked accept. The buyer gleefully informed us he'd just made about 43.2 million :) Now is this any different than what James is doing? Not really. Our guy knew the trader wasn't really wanting to sell all that megacyte for 4.8 million, just as James knew TTi wasn't really wanting to buy one unit of Tritanium for 100 million. But both were able to take advantage of a moment of inattentiveness on the part of the seller and robbed them blind. Good for them. To then claim the seller is 'greifing' when he comes back to reclaim what he lost is extremely childish. Tell 'em to do their worst and live with the consequences. Or cut a deal somehow. I think most of you are letting your envy and hatred of TTI get in the way of a rational view of this matter. It's perfectly fine to hate TTI and to cheer James on for taking themoney. Just at least have the maturity to not try to weep and wail about 'greifing'. Stop asking CCP to hold your hand and protect you from your choices in game.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2003.08.21 15:42:00 - [153] Yea but... James didnt rob anyone. It was all legit. If you put an ad in the newspaper selling your new Audi for $1 and someone buys it, you can't go after them saying "oh it was typo". You can ask them nicely. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.08.21 15:42:00 - [154] Yea but... James didnt rob anyone. It was all legit. If you put an ad in the newspaper selling your new Audi for $1 and someone buys it, you can't go after them saying "oh it was typo". You can ask them nicely. ---
Josephine	Posted - 2003.08.21 15:50:00 - [155] Quote: Quote: Yes, afterall noone really wants producers and makers and real players in empire space, when we can fill it with guys like you instead. There are plenty of good, honest manufacturers in empire space, most are honourable folk, not like the greedy, capitalist pigs that are once again infecting this space. Next time think before you type, it makes things a lot easier. We're caldari, business is our life, capitalism is our life. That you aparently are against the caldari way of life is midly amusing, perhaps you should first see to it that you aren't a commodity anymore before you start telling me what kind of communist dreamland you would like empire space to be.
Josephine Doomheim	Posted - 2003.08.21 15:50:00 - [156] Quote: Quote: Yes, afterall noone really wants producers and makers and real players in empire space, when we can fill it with guys like you instead. There are plenty of good, honest manufacturers in empire space, most are honourable folk, not like the greedy, capitalist pigs that are once again infecting this space. Next time think before you type, it makes things a lot easier. We're caldari, business is our life, capitalism is our life. That you aparently are against the caldari way of life is midly amusing, perhaps you should first see to it that you aren't a commodity anymore before you start telling me what kind of communist dreamland you would like empire space to be.
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:02:00 - [157] "Yea but... James didnt rob anyone. It was all legit." No, it's still robbery. It's just legimate robbery. Just as in this game we have legitimate piracy and legitimate murdering. ;) Or think of it as scamming as you will. Scams aren't quite robbery, as the person AGREES to give you the money. It's perfectly legit. However, they don't get what they thought they were getting. You take advantage of a mistake on their part. I hope no one is going to be foolish enough to suggest that going after scammers is 'greifing'.
Ulstan Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:02:00 - [158] "Yea but... James didnt rob anyone. It was all legit." No, it's still robbery. It's just legimate robbery. Just as in this game we have legitimate piracy and legitimate murdering. ;) Or think of it as scamming as you will. Scams aren't quite robbery, as the person AGREES to give you the money. It's perfectly legit. However, they don't get what they thought they were getting. You take advantage of a mistake on their part. I hope no one is going to be foolish enough to suggest that going after scammers is 'greifing'.
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:03:00 - [159] james = hunted therefore: if james in m0o, m0o = more hunted therefore fights that m0o now has > fights m0o used to have therefore: stavr0s boredom level at stupidly boring game <= stavr0s old boredom level I have mathematically proved I am not carebearing, everyone worship me for I am your god. Ta Stav -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:03:00 - [160] james = hunted therefore: if james in m0o, m0o = more hunted therefore fights that m0o now has > fights m0o used to have therefore: stavr0s boredom level at stupidly boring game <= stavr0s old boredom level I have mathematically proved I am not carebearing, everyone worship me for I am your god. Ta Stav -- "DANCE DANCE"

Macumba	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:13:00 - [161] I like the math Stav, but surely you would have a fun time just randomly killing TTI? "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf
Riddari	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:13:00 - [162] Quote: "Yea but... James didnt rob anyone. It was all legit." No, it's still robbery. It's just legimate robbery. Just as in this game we have legitimate piracy and legitimate murdering. ;) Or think of it as scamming as you will. Scams aren't quite robbery, as the person AGREES to give you the money. It's perfectly legit. However, they don't get what they thought they were getting. You take advantage of a mistake on their part. I hope no one is going to be foolish enough to suggest that going after scammers is 'greifing'. He did not scam, he fullfilled a legit buy order? Where is the scam in that? ¼©¼ a history
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:13:00 - [163] Quote: "Yea but... James didnt rob anyone. It was all legit." No, it's still robbery. It's just legimate robbery. Just as in this game we have legitimate piracy and legitimate murdering. ;) Or think of it as scamming as you will. Scams aren't quite robbery, as the person AGREES to give you the money. It's perfectly legit. However, they don't get what they thought they were getting. You take advantage of a mistake on their part. I hope no one is going to be foolish enough to suggest that going after scammers is 'greifing'. He did not scam, he fullfilled a legit buy order? Where is the scam in that? [center] ¼+¼ a history
Macumba Minmatar Doomheim	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:13:00 - [164] I like the math Stav, but surely you would have a fun time just randomly killing TTI? "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf
MooKids	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:15:00 - [165] Quote: "Yea but... James didnt rob anyone. It was all legit." No, it's still robbery. It's just legimate robbery. Just as in this game we have legitimate piracy and legitimate murdering. ;) Or think of it as scamming as you will. Scams aren't quite robbery, as the person AGREES to give you the money. It's perfectly legit. However, they don't get what they thought they were getting. You take advantage of a mistake on their part. I hope no one is going to be foolish enough to suggest that going after scammers is 'greifing'. Scamming would imply that James intentionally decieved Roark into giving him the money. However, it was Roark who made the buy order, forgot to double check it and basically screamed for someone to take the cash. James just filled an order. If he didn't do it, someone else would have. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
MooKids Caldari Halo Corporation	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:15:00 - [166] Quote: "Yea but... James didnt rob anyone. It was all legit." No, it's still robbery. It's just legimate robbery. Just as in this game we have legitimate piracy and legitimate murdering. ;) Or think of it as scamming as you will. Scams aren't quite robbery, as the person AGREES to give you the money. It's perfectly legit. However, they don't get what they thought they were getting. You take advantage of a mistake on their part. I hope no one is going to be foolish enough to suggest that going after scammers is 'greifing'. Scamming would imply that James intentionally decieved Roark into giving him the money. However, it was Roark who made the buy order, forgot to double check it and basically screamed for someone to take the cash. James just filled an order. If he didn't do it, someone else would have. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:24:00 - [167] Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 21/08/2003 16:24:17 scam?theft? whatever you tti friends or alts wanna say, in my opinion, those words suit you guys more, much more.
Dragon Emperor Amarr Dark Design	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:24:00 - [168] Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 21/08/2003 16:24:17 scam?theft? whatever you tti friends or alts wanna say, in my opinion, those words suit you guys more, much more.
Kristopher Michael	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:25:00 - [169] The faint sound of static can be heard as you recieve this incoming transmission I've been monitoring this channel for a while now, and I must say, you are all a bunch of guppies. What happened to the pioneering spirit that formed this universe on this side of the EVE gate? Have you forogotten what our ancestors endured that we may be here? I appaluad Mr. Roark for seeking his own justice, and it'll be profitable to most lone rouges, and other peopel such as myself whom agree with "Civil" society, but choose to exist on the outskirts. I also appluad Mr. Hawkings for trying to get away with it, eihter way, Mr. Hawkings if you get the isk and live, congrats to you. And Mr. Roark, if you do get a hundred corpses, I would love to be invited aboard your ship for dinner, how elegant it would be to dine under such a chandeler. Speaking of business deals, if I can bring you the corpses of Mr. Hawkings, would you consider a percentage off all my purchases from your corporation instead of the isk reward? And to all you morons who think it'd be great to kill Mr. Hawkings as his friend and split the isk reward? I'm sure Roark woud see through it, and if you havn't kept up with technology lately, the more you clone, the more you risk serious ceberal damage, memory loss, and gentetic structure defects. After one-hundred of his clones have been activated, i'm sure he'll loose his complete identity. Kristopher out. OOC: Sigh Does ANYONE ELSE KNOW WHAT THE RPG part of MMORPG means?!?! It means role playing game! So on the forms if a thread is started IC (IN character) reply IC! Don't start griefing OOC (out of character) reply to the thread how your character would! =Kristopher Michael= -Merlin Pilot Extrodinaire- "I wish we had a snapshot of Kristopher Michael shooting Shollos in the back of his Scorpion with a merlin, i think he did nearly Six Hundred Damage to him" -Rabid Kristopher Michael Fan-
Kristopher Michael Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:25:00 - [170] The faint sound of static can be heard as you recieve this incoming transmission I've been monitoring this channel for a while now, and I must say, you are all a bunch of guppies. What happened to the pioneering spirit that formed this universe on this side of the EVE gate? Have you forogotten what our ancestors endured that we may be here? I appaluad Mr. Roark for seeking his own justice, and it'll be profitable to most lone rouges, and other peopel such as myself whom agree with "Civil" society, but choose to exist on the outskirts. I also appluad Mr. Hawkings for trying to get away with it, eihter way, Mr. Hawkings if you get the isk and live, congrats to you. And Mr. Roark, if you do get a hundred corpses, I would love to be invited aboard your ship for dinner, how elegant it would be to dine under such a chandeler. Speaking of business deals, if I can bring you the corpses of Mr. Hawkings, would you consider a percentage off all my purchases from your corporation instead of the isk reward? And to all you morons who think it'd be great to kill Mr. Hawkings as his friend and split the isk reward? I'm sure Roark woud see through it, and if you havn't kept up with technology lately, the more you clone, the more you risk serious ceberal damage, memory loss, and gentetic structure defects. After one-hundred of his clones have been activated, i'm sure he'll loose his complete identity. Kristopher out. OOC: Sigh Does ANYONE ELSE KNOW WHAT THE RPG part of MMORPG means?!?! It means role playing game! So on the forms if a thread is started IC (IN character) reply IC! Don't start griefing OOC (out of character) reply to the thread how your character would! =Kristopher Michael= -Merlin Pilot Extrodinaire- "I wish we had a snapshot of Kristopher Michael shooting Shollos in the back of his Scorpion with a merlin, i think he did nearly Six Hundred Damage to him" -Rabid Kristopher Michael Fan-

j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:28:00 - [171] "I like the math Stav, but surely you would have a fun time just randomly killing TTI?" ... I think it's about the extra amusing aspect of having your prey come to you on their own. :s fun + extra fun > fun ... there you go, math fanciers.
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:28:00 - [172] "I like the math Stav, but surely you would have a fun time just randomly killing TTI?" ... I think it's about the extra amusing aspect of having your prey come to you on their own. :s fun + extra fun > fun ... there you go, math fanciers.
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:32:00 - [173] kristopher whilst my love for roleplayers is well known and documented, this is not an rp forum so i can post how i like. cheers -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:32:00 - [174] kristopher whilst my love for roleplayers is well known and documented, this is not an rp forum so i can post how i like. cheers -- "DANCE DANCE"
Mira Finoso	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:40:00 - [175] James Hawkings is an innocent man. He should be left alone to live an innocent eve-life. I'm sure most folks understand this... And I gotta say, much props goes out to Stavros for sticking up for him! Well done, m8.
Mira Finoso Gallente Horror Business	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:40:00 - [176] James Hawkings is an innocent man. He should be left alone to live an innocent eve-life. I'm sure most folks understand this... And I gotta say, much props goes out to Stavros for sticking up for him! Well done, m8.
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:51:00 - [177] just notice Roark offer 5m per james' corpse, and there's 2 match offer per Roark's corpse, anyone with business sense know what to do
Dragon Emperor Amarr Dark Design	Posted - 2003.08.21 16:51:00 - [178] just notice Roark offer 5m per james' corpse, and there's 2 match offer per Roark's corpse, anyone with business sense know what to do
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.21 17:03:00 - [179] Stavros - taking someone in under your wing just to generate more fights is a perfectly acceptable desire :) There's no need to try to dress it up by claiming you are protecting him from greifing :D "He did not scam, he fullfilled a legit buy order? Where is the scam in that?" Where is the scam in how our alliance member tricked the trader into selling 48 mill in megacyte for 4.8 mill? It was a legit trade! The guy agreed to it! All scams involve 'legit' transactions. You are merely taking advantage of the mistakes of others (in being too trusting, in being too hasty to double check the trade amount, etc) for your own profit. And yes, James deliberately took the money from TTi - it wasn't some honest mistake where he then gave the money back. He didn't inquire and say "Hey, I see you guys have 100 mill for 1 unit of tritanium. Did you mean to do that?" Nor should he have. :) He should've swooped in and grabbed the money, which he did. However it's naive of him (or anyone else) to assume TTI won't be at least mildly annoyed and come looking for some payback. Whether or not James scammed/stole or not is rather irrelevent however. James is free to keep the money, and TTi is free to go after him for it. James needs to be willing to live with the consequences of his money grab. He seems to be doing a pretty good job of it. I haven't heard him complaining. It's all the other people screaming "OMG GREIFING! TTI! PIRATES! WAAAAH!" that are annoying ;)
Ulstan Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2003.08.21 17:03:00 - [180] Stavros - taking someone in under your wing just to generate more fights is a perfectly acceptable desire :) There's no need to try to dress it up by claiming you are protecting him from greifing :D "He did not scam, he fullfilled a legit buy order? Where is the scam in that?" Where is the scam in how our alliance member tricked the trader into selling 48 mill in megacyte for 4.8 mill? It was a legit trade! The guy agreed to it! All scams involve 'legit' transactions. You are merely taking advantage of the mistakes of others (in being too trusting, in being too hasty to double check the trade amount, etc) for your own profit. And yes, James deliberately took the money from TTi - it wasn't some honest mistake where he then gave the money back. He didn't inquire and say "Hey, I see you guys have 100 mill for 1 unit of tritanium. Did you mean to do that?" Nor should he have. :) He should've swooped in and grabbed the money, which he did. However it's naive of him (or anyone else) to assume TTI won't be at least mildly annoyed and come looking for some payback. Whether or not James scammed/stole or not is rather irrelevent however. James is free to keep the money, and TTi is free to go after him for it. James needs to be willing to live with the consequences of his money grab. He seems to be doing a pretty good job of it. I haven't heard him complaining. It's all the other people screaming "OMG GREIFING! TTI! PIRATES! WAAAAH!" that are annoying ;)



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