GǪ taking their abuse out of game, which this is.

Well considering your corp, you would say that. At least over here, recording of a conversation has to be agreed before it's allowed to be published, and CCP have banned people for taking their abuse out of game, which this is.

I agree. This is the salient point. In New Eden, we prey on the weakGÇötheir lack of military might, their insufficient funds, their lesser cunning or simple naiveteGÇöand walk away smiling. This is the fundamental mechanic of the game, and we take pleasure in the victories we gain by means of it. But we do not take this practice away with us when we leave Tranquility. To do so means to overstep an ethical boundary. Just as we do not abuse beggars on the street, or maltreat the sick and injured for personal gain or for the lulz, so we do not exploit someone's psychological weaknesses, his gullibility or suggestibility, in order to damage him in real life. There is a misapprehension on the part of some contributors to this thread that just because we can take a naive and foolish player and make him do things that humiliate him IRL, in order to hurt him, we should. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to play a game, and although it is not a question of rules being violated or the EULA being disregarded, it is morally culpable.

Some of you people have a lot to learn about what it takes to be a decent human being.

It's only 'out of game' by definition of the conversation taking place on TS. If the same thing had happened on EVE voice, would it still be out of game?

Eve = Sociopath's Playground

make him do things

Maybe he's getting help, or is recovered. Maybe he has a disability. I really don't know.

What I do know is that THIS behavior is bad for EVE. Today someone is blurring the line for RL harassment, tomorrow someone will step over it. The day after, someone will leap and there will be press conferences and lawsuits. This can come back to bite us all.

Just don't do it, if you feel the need to exploit and hurt people AT COST, you are the one who needs help.

Just because this stuff happens all the time in other video games and this guy was willing to do just about anything for video game it doesnt escape the fact that these guys are douches.

Don't get me wrong the scammed fella had it coming to him, but these guys just kept going on with it to the point of even involving the guy's family. The scammed dude shouldn't be compensated by any means or even sympathized, but **** guys I thought we were grown up adults who just wanted to fly in space for fun. Not sadistic ***holes...

Disagree. I would argue this incident provided a valuable life lesson to carbuilder. It makes sense that damaging ones own reputation in front of his family is quite low for any human being. However, this individual allowed it when he decided to put his gameplay on exhibit in front of his family. It is in the same vein as someone who gambles, loses it all, and has to come back and look his family in the eye. Only, this time it was done with monopoly money instead of real life money. In that regard you can say that Erotica1 and fellow members of the Order as doing this guy a favor. A favor of showing him his gullibility before he actually physically damages his homestead.

Also scamming is not considered abuse, so even if it is out of game it is still legal

The people who would do this are morally responsible for their own actions, it's not the fault of CCP or eve in general. You might as well just blame the whole internet for the trolls out there.

I can't really agree on that either. It kind of makes it as though you're giving human beings a free pass on scamming and belittling for the sake of them "learning something".

We shouldn't feel sympathy for the guy who let himself just be made a fooled of, but to accept these actions from the scammers as just "it happens" is just ludicrous.

What I do know is that THIS behavior is bad for EVE. Today someone is blurring the line for RL harassment, tomorrow someone will step over it. The day after, someone will leap and there will be press conferences and lawsuits. This can come back to bite us all.

I would never hold CCP responsible for it's players, but being a big enough troll can get you jail time. While it isn't CCP responsible, things we do can (sadly) open them to litigation.

There was one guy who wrote Erotica's name on his chest with peanut butter and took a pic of it and that was disgusting. He won 4 billion isk if I remember correctly.

Side Note: People who are willing to do stupid crap for space pixels, are exactly that...stupid. It is a game.

It's out of game by nature of the fact that they are making him do things unrelated to the game.

Then by that argument, it has nothing to do with EVE.

Side Note: People who are willing to do stupid crap for space pixels, are exactly that...stupid. It is a game.

When people invest over an hour f'ing someone else over out of game - it's no longer just a game.

The 'its just a vidya game' argument is hypocritical in most cases