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Dave Stark 3505	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:15:00 - [31] - Quote erotica 1. person being scammed. it's as obvious they deserved it as it's obvious that the sun will rise tomorrow.
KnowUsByTheDead Knights of the Dark Rose Black Crescent Inc. 195	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:16:00 - [32] - Quote The tears, OP, the tears continue to fuel our sociopathic nature. So all you are doing is perpetuating it. Thank you. You made me have a giggle. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Baggo Hammers 52	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:22:00 - [33] - Quote Incidentally DSM-5 no longer uses "sociopath." The term has been excised. They are just a brand of Psychopath now. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Remiel Pollard Layman's terms TAXU 1677	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:22:00 - [34] - Quote OP, I'd be very interested in seeing qualifies you to label anyone a sociopath. No, I really would, because it just so happens I am autistic with severe comorbid depression (it's more of an acute thing), schizophrenia - paranoia type, and numerous sociopathic tendencies. Sounds like a pretty mean cocktail, doesn't it? Sounds like I should be murdering and torturing small animals, doesn't it? Yet, I don't. Seriously though, those are only the tip of the iceberg. The range of tests I went through suggest possible other complications as well, but none of them are quite as scary sounding as the above. And yet, I'm not a criminal, I'm not deranged. I am, in fact, most of the time, quite clear headed and able to make sound judgement calls. See, a sociopath with a solid social support network and the kinda friends who don't turn their back just because I get a little difficult to deal with is the kinda sociopath who appears 'normal', but honestly, all sociopaths appear perfectly 'normal' because they're the only people in the world capable of faking it almost perfectly in order to fit in. And this is why it frequently amuses me when someone refers to someone else's behaviour as 'sociopathic' or whatnot just because it's behaviour they themselves find despicable. Well, I'm sorry, but being a sociopathic doesn't automatically make one morally despicable, and your interpretation of morality is fairly subjective, especially if you're going to apply it to behaviour on a video game. It does, in fact, strongly suggest a degree of projection, though projection of what I am not qualified to say. Here's a cute little fact for you. A sociopath is less likely to engage in 'morally questionable' behaviour than someone who is perfectly 'normal', but acting on emotions, say for example a crime of passion. Nobody made this guy do anything. He wasn't under duress, he wasn't bound by orders or the law, he chose all by himself to humour those that would make demands of him. Whether they're sociopaths or not is beside the point. Have you ever watched Funniest Home Videos? It's human nature to laugh at another's humiliation, whether they have mental disorders or not. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Baggo Hammers 52	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:24:00 - [35] - Quote All parties are tools. The scamee is a very sad case who would debase himself for space money. I knew a kid in school who would eat boogers off the wall for quarters. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 1310	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:27:00 - [36] - Quote Complete Tart2 wrote: Everyone's quick to type a 'lol the guy deserved it' without even reading or listening to any of it He got whatever was coming for being easy. The fact that someone would even contemplate doing something they are uncomfortable with or humiliated by IRL to gain imaginary wealth on a computer game indicates that they are in more dire need of some sort of help than any Jita scammer. That's not said with vitriol; it's simply the truth. I hope this person gets the help they need to bolster their self image to a point where they would never again even consider taking part in such activity. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.
Leafar Nightfall Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels 72	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:28:00 - [37] - Quote What, someone humiliated himself in front of his family for digital money? Please keep this guy away from alcohol. If he did that in his first month in the game I can't think what he would do for his second drink
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 235	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:38:00 - [38] - Quote I will now wait for recording of scammers being scammed and humiliated. New CQ prototype
Mocam EVE University Ivy League 295	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:40:00 - [39] - Quote I'll give you a couple stories I've bumped into in EVE. Guy starts the game and within a couple weeks decides he likes it. So he, buys himself a batch of GTC's, converts to PLEX to sell off, buys himself a nice 70 mill SP char and a bunch of expensive toys so he can "compete". He then loads the expensive toys up in some haulers and gets popped a couple times with that 70 mill SP char. He gets pissed. A couple hundred worth of $$$ destroyed.. He was just trying to be "competitive" in the game and can't even get the stuff from market to his base safely?!? So he sells off his char and quits. (my reaction to his whine before quitting was kept quiet "don't let the door hit you on the way out... Attempting B2W doesn't work well if you don't have even enough basic knowledge not to put 12 billion worth of stuff in a T1 indy and try to fly it out of Jita...") Another one from very early on in EVE for me that has stuck around... New guy wants to be a pirate and is asking a lot of questions about it. A "vet" type pirate player befriends him, offering advice, etc... Tells him to build up for a while and get the SP to fly a few ships. He goes so far as to buy this new guy his first cruiser and the like! So this vet gives advice and tells the guy that when he gets over 6 mill SP, he can join his pirate corp but the 6mill SP is mandatory to fly well enough to do small gang piracy - as well as showing an active KB -- as in interest in actually doing and being involved in PvP. SO the vet keeps giving the guy info here or there over the months, tells the newbie he live out of dangerous areas and that when that newbie is ready to join up, not to bring isk but ships & fittings to avoid shopping trips back to highsec where low sec status players can hit issues - and that this will happen over time with a new main char on 1 account. So the newbie finally has the SP, experience, etc - enough to meet that groups minimum join requirements. He talks to his vet friend who then brings him in on an interview with the CEO of the pirate group, "vouches" for the newbie and he's accepted! They tell him to get all his stuff together so they can do 1 freighter run of his stuff out of empire. They come up, load all the guys stuff into the freighter, kick him from the corp as they fly off with literally everything he'd spend months earning. Well he did want to be involved in the seedier side of EVE - just not that particular part of the equation. Just a couple things I've bumped into in EVE over the years. 2 rather different situations.
Fredfredbug4 Eve Defence Force 1160	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:41:00 - [40] - Quote I'm really sad he didn't sing the My Little Pony themesong. :( Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 758	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:43:00 - [41] - Quote Ha! That last one is a good one. Gotta love the long con. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Riot Girl Krypteia Operations 1664	Posted - 2013.09.02 18:49:00 - [42] - Quote One guy was podded 75 times and he lost SP for every single pod kill. I think he went from 20 million SP down to 7 million SP or something like that. He won a lot of isk though. Oh god.
Mayhaw Morgan State War Academy Caldari State 133	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:02:00 - [43] - Quote They're not "real" sociopaths. It was just a prank.
Pap Uhotih Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:02:00 - [44] - Quote Morihei Akachi wrote: There is a difference between exploiting someone's weakness in the game, be it military, financial or psychological, and taking that exploitation to RL to involve someone's family. The latter is inacceptable. I have no understanding or respect for the people who did this. I find it despicable. In general I agree, keep it all in game. I don't see this individual as the potential worst case scenario, obviously we know very little about him. I didn't listen to every word but everyone seems happy he is a parent and not a sibling simply because he said so - for example. The sole purpose of this was to humiliate someone and clearly it was intended to be a public humiliation or I would not have been able to listen to it. If it had been a vulnerable person then there would be the potential for that person to do something silly as a result of that humiliation. Such a thing would likely leave the perpetrators with a slightly bad feeling but it would bring a lot of the wrong sort of attention to Eve, it could be very damaging and potentially game ending. One of the guys doing this sounded like a younger person but there are clearly adults involved so it isn't something to be put down to kids being kids. I don't think they have the capacity to realise that they crossed the line from an in game scam and into real world humiliation that risks real world consequences. I think that mistake should earn the perpetrators a bit of time away from the game.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 760	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:21:00 - [45] - Quote Quote: I don't think they have the capacity to realise that they crossed the line from an in game scam and into real world humiliation that risks real world consequences. I think that mistake should earn the perpetrators a bit of time away from the game. Please, tell me what rules they broke to earn said vacation. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Doris Dents GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 190	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:21:00 - [46] - Quote Who was holding a gun to the guy's head while he was being silly on teamspeak? Because a gun to the head over space pixels is just not on and probably violates several clauses in the EULA.
Dr0000 Maulerant Mu cows 5	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:35:00 - [47] - Quote If your scam relies on someone being new AND below average intelligence, you might be a terrible person. If you can teach someone an expensive lesson, or grift a seasoned moron, props. But let's not start telling the kids on the short bus they need to get in a van with erotica1 before we'll give em a cookie. It's just bad for the community.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 1716	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:38:00 - [48] - Quote I guess it would be funnier if that man was someone you care about -a brother, a friend, your son or your father. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4268	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:39:00 - [49] - Quote Oh no, people being ~bad~ in EVE Online again? The horror There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 760	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:41:00 - [50] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: I guess it would be funnier if that man was someone you care about -a brother, a friend, your son or your father. If that were my brother, I'd have laughed myself to death. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 397	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:44:00 - [51] - Quote Newsflash: There are people on the planet who may or may not be fluffy. Unless they had a gun to his head, he had the option of closing the lines of communication at any point.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 11461	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:45:00 - [52] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: I guess it would be funnier if that man was someone you care about -a brother, a friend, your son or your father. If my brother did that I'd rip on him every day for the rest of my life. And vice versa. And neither of us would do it because we have an atom of self respect. 1 Kings 12:11
Matti Leijona Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:51:00 - [53] - Quote I tell anyone who is thinking about playing this game to stay far far away from it because this is a sociopaths playground. The only reason I still play is because I feel like I have a lot invested in it. Just have to be careful who I associate with.
Grimpak Duty. The Cursed Few 1083	Posted - 2013.09.02 19:51:00 - [54] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Oh no, people being ~bad~ in EVE Online again? The horror THE HORROR THE HODOR [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 1716	Posted - 2013.09.02 20:01:00 - [55] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: I guess it would be funnier if that man was someone you care about -a brother, a friend, your son or your father. If my brother did that I'd rip on him every day for the rest of my life. And vice versa. And neither of us would do it because we have an atom of self respect. I wouldn't do it, neither. But I can think of many ways in which a human being can't avoid doing that kind of thing because of pre-existing conditions beyond his control. Do onto others as you would like them do onto you, or however is that said in English. I don't care if the guy is stupid, mentally ill or whatever. He could had used some empathy from the guys abusing him. For that, he deserves my compassion, and his abusers deserve my contempt. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2666	Posted - 2013.09.02 20:02:00 - [56] - Quote Enduros wrote: It's a game. *Nobody forced him to do this*. It's not like he was at gunpoint. Why would anyone go along with this in the first place? If you are willing to do all this the lets be honest, you kinda brought this upon yourself. I don't think you emphasised that eough, so i fixed lol. i hate the weeping, crying type like the OP. The guy getting scammed only got scammed because of his GREED. EVERYONE who gets scammed gets scammed because of laziness, stupidity or greed. It's as dumb to blame the people who are playing the game correctly for the problem as it would be to blame a player for killing a Hoe in Grand Theft Auto. The problem comes when stupid people do stupid things and the "bleeding hearts" run to their defense. You wanna help the guy that got scammed, teach him to recognize a scam.
Complete Tart2 Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.09.02 20:14:00 - [57] - Quote The guy was a noob. You don't take noobs for all they're worth when you yourself are worth 300 billion or something. What happened to the attitude of helping noobs in this game? When I listened to this I was literally cringing at the effort these guys were going to, half hoping at the end they would declare it a wind-up or something. And did anyone notice the confederate joke at the end? I'm not even American but I could sense they thought the guy was fair game because of his heavy southern accent.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4268	Posted - 2013.09.02 20:14:00 - [58] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The problem comes when stupid people do stupid things and the "bleeding hearts" run to their defense. You wanna help the guy that got scammed, teach him to recognize a scam. I should hope he's been taught that already... There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Riot Girl Krypteia Operations 1671	Posted - 2013.09.02 20:17:00 - [59] - Quote Complete Tart2 wrote: The guy was a noob. Erotica's rules clearly state that characters under 4 weeks old are not allowed to play. Oh god.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 1717	Posted - 2013.09.02 20:19:00 - [60] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Complete Tart2 wrote: The guy was a noob. Erotica's rules clearly state that characters under 4 weeks old are not allowed to play. So 4 weeks in the game mean you're no longer a noob? What is this game, [insert themepark MMO]? The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!

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