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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
772
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Posted - 2013.09.03 03:58:00 -
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Here, I will go ahead and give my final word on the matter.
It is an order of magnitude beyond intellectually dishonest to advocate for or attempt to arrange for real world punishments based on your reactions to someone or something in a media that is entirely voluntary to participate in.
If you do believe that you get to legislate your hurt feelings against someone, then as far as I am concerned, you are already damned. Nevermind that, in such a case, your opinion shouldn't count because you are so far from being rational you might as well be freebasing handfuls of Ambien.
So, if you think that the "perpetrator" of this "scam" needs to be punished, or if you are in the "something has to be done!" category of people? Congratulations, you are what is wrong with civilized society. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3230
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:04:00 -
[152] - Quote
Person took advantage of stupidity. Quick, to the 'Eve Sociopath Haven' mobile! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4278
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:08:00 -
[153] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, if you think that the "perpetrator" of this "scam" needs to be punished, or if you are in the "something has to be done!" category of people? Congratulations, you are what is wrong with civilized society. That seems... backward somehow. Aren't the scammers the bad people irl There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
146
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:25:00 -
[154] - Quote
One shouldn't confuse bullying with sociopathy (as bullies are rarely sociopaths and the defining characteristics of the two are very different).
One should also be careful not to under-value bullying. It's a very important natural process that streamlines social interaction and expectations. I wonder how much decreased productivity in western society can be linked back to anti-bullying campaigns, but I may just be having an old-man reaction to this generation's geeks.
I do have trouble seeing the lesson here though. You might argue the man should be less trusting, but I think his level of trust wasn't unreasonable for real-world interaction. You could argue it's a lesson specific to Eve, but the interaction was more telecommunication based than Eve based.
When I get a call from my bank for example (or even call my bank), I cringe a little because I can't easily verify who's on the other end of the line. The social expectation however is that I should take my chances (doing anything else is a huge pain for everyone involved).
Anyway, just musing. AFAIK the recording isn't illegal (though soundcloud would probably take it down if requested) and a <2hr voluntary conversion is hard to construe as harassment. |

Gealbhan
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
423
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:42:00 -
[155] - Quote
I don't care.  |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4280
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:44:00 -
[156] - Quote
Maybe you should, it's on general discussion for a reason There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Gealbhan
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
423
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:46:00 -
[157] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Maybe you should, it's on general discussion for a reason
Caring about this incident would imply I care about scamming in EvE. I don't. A fool and his money (or assets) are soon parted.  |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4280
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:51:00 -
[158] - Quote
You bad person There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Break-A-Wish Foundation
2318
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:06:00 -
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Everybody involved in that are Idiots.
They would drag me into those bonus rooms for whatever god damn reason. The innate dribble I read there sometimes before it goes to TS makes me leave before I reach that point. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
397
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:20:00 -
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Louise Beethoven wrote:
This is high school bullying sht, yeah great community we have here
Are you new to the internet or just MMOs, or life in general?
Some people in real life are high school bullies as adults. Some people on the internet are not nice, some people in MMOs are bullies, shockingly, in MMOs that do not involve spaceships.
To imply as the OP does that a small group of people = Eve is about as valid as me saying "All X people are bad because 4 of them did Y to me"
I understand some people think like this. It is easy to blanket everyone, after all, I hear all goons are ebil, all people who violence spaceships are nasty pandas, and all 0.01ers are morons, and all mission runners are whiney carebears.
I also hear everyone on the Eve forums is a psychologist with years of expertise and able to make a diagnosis in a few minutes, handily, everyone is also a lawyer with extensive knowledge of criminal legislation and possibly personal injury no win, no fee experience too. I feel lucky to be part of a game where I can get such expert advice for free, and often unsolicited.
While I am here, do we have any internet doctors, and maybe any internet quantum physicists |

Ressiv
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:23:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote: I agree.
I don't. They where clearly discussing space pixels, which is clearly EVE content, so this was in-game abuse on a third party voice server .. nothing more, nothing less.
The fact that this dumbass has a wife and kids next to him that are all too familiar with him failing makes him dumber, it doesnt make it an out of EVE event.
Quote: This is the salient point. In New Eden, we prey on the weakGÇötheir lack of military might, their insufficient funds, their lesser cunning or simple naiveteGÇöand walk away smiling. This is the fundamental mechanic of the game, and we take pleasure in the victories we gain by means of it.
Having just said that .. you realize almost all of the above apply here ?
Quote:But we do not take this practice away with us when we leave Tranquility. They did not .. space pixels being handed over sounds like Tranquility to me .. where am I wrong in my reasoning ?
Quote: To do so means to overstep an ethical boundary. Just as we do not abuse beggars on the street, or maltreat the sick and injured for personal gain or for the lulz, so we do not exploit someone's psychological weaknesses, his gullibility or suggestibility, in order to damage him in real life.
Explain, in detail, how this has an impact in his real life, beside him being laughed at by his wife -.-
Quote: There is a misapprehension on the part of some contributors to this thread that just because we can take a naive and foolish player and make him do things that humiliate him IRL, in order to hurt him, we should. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to play a game, and although it is not a question of rules being violated or the EULA being disregarded, it is morally culpable.
Some of you people have a lot to learn about what it takes to be a decent human being
Noone did that .. they tried to make him sing .. on TS .. recorded it .. and that's it. He was not forced into this .. unless you count his greed.
.If the BS you just posted was ment to explain what decent human beings should tho, you failed.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11469
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:32:00 -
[162] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I guess it would be funnier if that man was someone you care about -a brother, a friend, your son or your father. If my brother did that I'd rip on him every day for the rest of my life. And vice versa. And neither of us would do it because we have an atom of self respect. I wouldn't do it, neither. But I can think of many ways in which a human being can't avoid doing that kind of thing because of pre-existing conditions beyond his control.
I can think of only one, and luckily, being a greedy fool isn't yet a protected class.
1 Kings 12:11
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3362
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:32:00 -
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Regardless of where this case goes, and whether or not the game actually is full of sociopaths (and I'm more worried about the ones who get elected to office), it's only a matter of time before "some kid kill himself". Sure the game will be involved, and there will never be enough evidence to fully blame it, and the kid him or herself will not be operating on all cylinders to begin with.
But the facts won't be enough to stop first the impression of the "half paying attention" public ( keeping the news on while they do other stuff and are not really paying attention) to go away with the impression "Eve makes kids kill themselves" and there will be politicians - the real sociopaths - doing what sociopaths do best, which is to legislate in such manner that they appear to care about the public so they can get reelected.
Whatever the case, it won't be friendly to the game, the player base, and CCP.
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Ressiv
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:33:00 -
[164] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, if you think that the "perpetrator" of this "scam" needs to be punished, or if you are in the "something has to be done!" category of people? Congratulations, you are what is wrong with civilized society. That seems... backward somehow. Aren't the scammers the bad people irl IRL, yeah .. but: this guy went from greed to anticipation to kindof empty .. and got explained how he was kinda dumb to trust a random stranger like that .. he can whine or can use it as a life lesson .. with not that big a cost ... he should be glad the Nigerians didnt know his email adress .. he'd be selling his kids now otherwise.
Maybe this makes him rethink how he gets into these situations every time .. as his wife clearly says at 1:21:29 'who is making fun of you NOW ?!' .. as in 'this time'. It's the story of his life .. maybe he finaly learned. |

Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:33:00 -
[165] - Quote
Rhivre wrote:While I am here, do we have any internet doctors, and maybe any internet quantum physicists
I used to be a helicopter mechanic.  |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
397
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:34:00 -
[166] - Quote
Yaturi wrote:Rhivre wrote:While I am here, do we have any internet doctors, and maybe any internet quantum physicists I used to be a helicopter mechanic. 
Perfect. I have been having some tummy trouble, do you have any recommendations? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11469
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:41:00 -
[167] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Regardless of where this case goes, and whether or not the game actually is full of sociopaths (and I'm more worried about the ones who get elected to office), it's only a matter of time before "some kid kill himself". Sure the game will be involved, and there will never be enough evidence to fully blame it, and the kid him or herself will not be operating on all cylinders to begin with.
But the facts won't be enough to stop first the impression of the "half paying attention" public ( keeping the news on while they do other stuff and are not really paying attention) to go away with the impression "Eve makes kids kill themselves" and there will be politicians - the real sociopaths - doing what sociopaths do best, which is to legislate in such manner that they appear to care about the public so they can get reelected.
Whatever the case, it won't be friendly to the game, the player base, and CCP.
Yeah when some miner goes on a kill crazy rampage, CCP will probably have to remove mining for the game.
Or maybe make people take a test to prove they can handle it or something I guess?
1 Kings 12:11
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Ressiv
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:41:00 -
[168] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Regardless of where this case goes, and whether or not the game actually is full of sociopaths (and I'm more worried about the ones who get elected to office), it's only a matter of time before "some kid kill himself". Sure the game will be involved, and there will never be enough evidence to fully blame it, and the kid him or herself will not be operating on all cylinders to begin with.
But the facts won't be enough to stop first the impression of the "half paying attention" public ( keeping the news on while they do other stuff and are not really paying attention) to go away with the impression "Eve makes kids kill themselves" and there will be politicians - the real sociopaths - doing what sociopaths do best, which is to legislate in such manner that they appear to care about the public so they can get reelected.
Whatever the case, it won't be friendly to the game, the player base, and CCP.
Yeah, cuz we all saw how WOW changed after someone played himself to death .. amiright ? Or murdered over a sold game item ?
If people press 'I accept' on the EULA and terms & conditions and then expect to be safe from the rest of us sociopaths, they clearly did not read what they agreed on. |

Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:42:00 -
[169] - Quote
papaya fruit, it does wonders for the digestion
you can also get it in pill form from your local gnc |

Sol Kal'orr
The Scope Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:55:00 -
[170] - Quote
Rhivre wrote:While I am here, do we have any internet doctors, and maybe any internet quantum physicists
I like to think of myself as an internet space therapist. When things get overly heated I like to sing Whale song in local to calm everyone down. "MMMMOOOUUUUUGGH AAWWWW OOOW." Works every time.
And we do have some genuine particle physicists. |

Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
2
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:56:00 -
[171] - Quote
S Byerley wrote:One shouldn't confuse bullying with sociopathy (as bullies are rarely sociopaths and the defining characteristics of the two are very different).
One should also be careful not to under-value bullying. It's a very important natural process that streamlines social interaction and expectations. I wonder how much decreased productivity in western society can be linked back to anti-bullying campaigns, but I may just be having an old-man reaction to this generation's geeks.
I do have trouble seeing the lesson here though. You might argue the man should be less trusting, but I think his level of trust wasn't unreasonable for real-world interaction. You could argue it's a lesson specific to Eve, but the interaction was more telecommunication based than Eve based.
When I get a call from my bank for example (or even call my bank), I cringe a little because I can't easily verify who's on the other end of the line. The social expectation however is that I should take my chances (doing anything else is a huge pain for everyone involved).
Anyway, just musing. AFAIK the recording isn't illegal (though soundcloud would probably take it down if requested) and a <2hr voluntary conversion is hard to construe as harassment.
Firstly this situation is utterly hilarious. But all I wanted to say was the sound cloud could just be argued as defamatory material that had no explicit consent boom off it comes. |

Sol Kal'orr
The Scope Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:56:00 -
[172] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I guess it would be funnier if that man was someone you care about -a brother, a friend, your son or your father. If my brother did that I'd rip on him every day for the rest of my life. And vice versa. And neither of us would do it because we have an atom of self respect. I wouldn't do it, neither. But I can think of many ways in which a human being can't avoid doing that kind of thing because of pre-existing conditions beyond his control. I can think of only one, and luckily, being a greedy fool isn't yet a protected class. Give it time.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1676
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:58:00 -
[173] - Quote
I'd like to thank Erotica 1 and Carbuilder for allowing the creation of this content and improving the overall quality of gameplay for us all. Oh god. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3362
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:01:00 -
[174] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Regardless of where this case goes, and whether or not the game actually is full of sociopaths (and I'm more worried about the ones who get elected to office), it's only a matter of time before "some kid kill himself". Sure the game will be involved, and there will never be enough evidence to fully blame it, and the kid him or herself will not be operating on all cylinders to begin with.
But the facts won't be enough to stop first the impression of the "half paying attention" public ( keeping the news on while they do other stuff and are not really paying attention) to go away with the impression "Eve makes kids kill themselves" and there will be politicians - the real sociopaths - doing what sociopaths do best, which is to legislate in such manner that they appear to care about the public so they can get reelected.
Whatever the case, it won't be friendly to the game, the player base, and CCP.
Yeah when some miner goes on a kill crazy rampage, CCP will probably have to remove mining for the game. Or maybe make people take a test to prove they can handle it or something I guess?
When any such rampage occurs, you can tell the real cause of it by what gets blamed the least.
Admittedly a day of mining would have me on a rampage. |

Kalanaja
Dog Nation United The East India Co.
52
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:16:00 -
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Daisai wrote:Complete Tart2 wrote:Here's a little story I found on miner bumping. In the seemingly endless and bizarre search for tears in this game, a complete noob at Eve was humiliated and scammed for everything he had by Erotica1 and friends, including members of New Order / Code. This noob was invited to Erotica's 'Bonus Room' on teamspeak with promises of receiving 7bil+ if he handed over all his noob assets, with further conditions of: - gathering all assets, including as many corp assets as he could lay his hands on and handing them over - demanding on Teamspeak he sang (in front of his wife and kids that you could hear next to him) either '*****' by Garbage, some brony theme song as well as other idiotic ideas. The noob pleaded with them not to humiliate him by making him sing this in front of his kids. The eager noob then agreed to read a random page out of wikipedia, with plans to spend his 7 billion winnings on gametime. After 5 minutes of reading out the page he was then scammed out of all his assets. You need to hear this to for yourself. 45.28 is where it properly starts. https://soundcloud.com/fancy-space-tourist/happy-miner-payoutIt's not just the fact he was a noob; it's the way the guy was completely humiliated with attempts by the scammers to humiliate him even more in front of his small children. Never heard anything so sickening in any game. You guys are F'ing idiots and sociopaths. There is a reason why the subscription numbers for eve are low compared to other mmo's. But then thats also the reason why it has been stable for a very long time, its a game with alot of disturbing people playing the game. However its the only good mmo i know so far where something like this is possible. So i suppose you are right but you have to be glad it is possible in this game, because eve without the ability to scam people like this and the sandbox it is right now would just make it a very awfull desgined space shooter. On this case though after listening to it i have to agree with the OP. The people that scammed him in this way are pretty sad and probably have some real life issues they need to sort out, i at least wouldn't want to know these kind of people.
On the contrary. A majority of the reasons I have seen that people don't play it or don't stick around after they trial if they do it has generally always been either *My character is just a ship!?* or the *Why is this not a sim!!! No joystick!? I thought this was like Freelancer!!* . Those tend to be the top two reasons. The third is the game is too hard. Not harsh, hard as in they can't find there way around and they quit due to lack of imagination. They get stuck on the routine of mining and doing missions and then leave because it's the same crap they did in their other games. As for people getting scammed, that's a lack of common sense. If someone really gets emotionally traumatized playing a game and getting scammed and joked with then I hate to see how they handle real life. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11469
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:38:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Malcanis wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Regardless of where this case goes, and whether or not the game actually is full of sociopaths (and I'm more worried about the ones who get elected to office), it's only a matter of time before "some kid kill himself". Sure the game will be involved, and there will never be enough evidence to fully blame it, and the kid him or herself will not be operating on all cylinders to begin with.
But the facts won't be enough to stop first the impression of the "half paying attention" public ( keeping the news on while they do other stuff and are not really paying attention) to go away with the impression "Eve makes kids kill themselves" and there will be politicians - the real sociopaths - doing what sociopaths do best, which is to legislate in such manner that they appear to care about the public so they can get reelected.
Whatever the case, it won't be friendly to the game, the player base, and CCP.
Yeah when some miner goes on a kill crazy rampage, CCP will probably have to remove mining for the game. Or maybe make people take a test to prove they can handle it or something I guess? When any such rampage occurs, you can tell the real cause of it by what gets blamed the least. Admittedly a day of mining would have me on a rampage.
I'm afraid you just failed the test, sir
1 Kings 12:11
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
146
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:38:00 -
[177] - Quote
Neat. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1718
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Posted - 2013.09.03 07:01:00 -
[178] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I guess it would be funnier if that man was someone you care about -a brother, a friend, your son or your father. If my brother did that I'd rip on him every day for the rest of my life. And vice versa. And neither of us would do it because we have an atom of self respect. I wouldn't do it, neither. But I can think of many ways in which a human being can't avoid doing that kind of thing because of pre-existing conditions beyond his control. I can think of only one, and luckily, being a greedy fool isn't yet a protected class.
Well, we certainly see the issue from different points of view.
Someone said above that this kind of behavior blurrs the line between game and RL, and I agree. In fact, I've voiced a few times my opnion that EVE will be the first game where a RL crime will be triggered by a ingame action. It has already happen with minor felony.
We don't have two brains, one for "game" and another for "real life". It's only one, and EVE certainly asks a lot of the spurious barrier between playing and living... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
414
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Posted - 2013.09.03 07:16:00 -
[179] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I guess it would be funnier if that man was someone you care about -a brother, a friend, your son or your father. If my brother did that I'd rip on him every day for the rest of my life. And vice versa. And neither of us would do it because we have an atom of self respect. I wouldn't do it, neither. But I can think of many ways in which a human being can't avoid doing that kind of thing because of pre-existing conditions beyond his control. I can think of only one, and luckily, being a greedy fool isn't yet a protected class. Well, we certainly see the issue from different points of view. Someone said above that this kind of behavior blurrs the line between game and RL, and I agree. In fact, I've voiced a few times my opnion that EVE will be the first game where a RL crime will be triggered by a ingame action. It has already happen with minor felony. We don't have two brains, one for "game" and another for "real life". It's only one, and EVE certainly asks a lot of the spurious barrier between playing and living...
Honestly, if you don't have a clear and well-defined line between fantasy and reality, EVE is not a game you should be playing.
In EVE, I'm a New Order Knight ruthlessly hunting down non-compliant miners, blowing their ships apart, detonating their pods, and feasting on the delicious goo inside until the spacepolice appear.
In RL, I'm a nurse practitioner working for a pretty highly esteemed children's hospital, helping kids with leukemia get through chemo treatments.
My EVE antics and behaviours have nil to do with my RL. I don't go to work and injure the kids under my care because I had a bad run in EVE. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1317
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Posted - 2013.09.03 07:18:00 -
[180] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:I'd like to thank Erotica 1 and Carbuilder for allowing the creation of this content and improving the overall quality of the game for us all.
+1. Emergent gameplay best gameplay. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
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