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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.08 20:47:00 -
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As the title says pls dont do this. I've heard rumours that a nerf is on the horizon. Is this true?
I have spent ages training for this ship and it would be a shame for all that training to go to waste....
PLEASE PLEASE dont nerf the mach. |
Xyrdiana
FACTS on EVE
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Posted - 2013.09.08 21:05:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:As the title says pls dont do this. I've heard rumours that a nerf is on the horizon. Is this true?
I have spent ages training for this ship and it would be a shame for all that training to go to waste....
PLEASE PLEASE dont nerf the mach.
Boo f*cking Hoo
The ship is overpowered and should be tuned down. NOT MUCH but still. |
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.08 21:28:00 -
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why is it overpowered? |
Mathias Orsen
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.08 21:31:00 -
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sounds like Rumor to me. |
Berendas
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.08 21:46:00 -
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The Machariel is, and has been overpowered for quite a long time. Its rebalance is long overdue. I can't produce a link at the moment, but I know that CCP has stated either on the forums or in a dev blog that the Mach will be brought in line with the other faction battleships. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
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Posted - 2013.09.08 21:48:00 -
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Xyrdiana wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:As the title says pls dont do this. I've heard rumours that a nerf is on the horizon. Is this true?
I have spent ages training for this ship and it would be a shame for all that training to go to waste....
PLEASE PLEASE dont nerf the mach. Boo f*cking Hoo The ship is overpowered and should be tuned down. NOT MUCH but still.
Xyrd you big meany, I love you. Now give the man a reply worthy of your Machyness. |
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.08 21:57:00 -
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Berendas wrote:The Machariel is, and has been overpowered for quite a long time. Its rebalance is long overdue. I can't produce a link at the moment, but I know that CCP has stated either on the forums or in a dev blog that the Mach will be brought in line with the other faction battleships.
But why is it overpowered?
and didnt it just get nerfed with the TE nerf? |
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.09.08 22:22:00 -
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The machariel is fine as it is, if anything the other nano bs need a buff. |
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.08 22:30:00 -
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Marcus Walkuris wrote: P.S. To the original poster, for as long as I've played EvE the mach has been outrageously powerful on a pedestal all to its own. With a very wide range of PWN application throughout PvP and PvE alike. That said I don't own one and never flew one, although I've followed Xyrdiana around in one (with my gimpy drake).
I would guess they will tune the ships to be a little more excelling towards their pirate faction origins. And not one ship to rule them all.
ive seen a near max skilled mach unable to break the tank on a near max skilled passive shield tanked rattler. Also the vindi does more dps than the mach albeit at terrible ranges but then thats blasters for u.
I agree with wolf the mach is fine as it is...
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
848
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Posted - 2013.09.08 22:41:00 -
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Berendas wrote:The Machariel is, and has been overpowered for quite a long time. Its rebalance is long overdue. I can't produce a link at the moment, but I know that CCP has stated either on the forums or in a dev blog that the Mach will be brought in line with the other faction battleships.
It will be the third nerf if they do. I can't understand where that "about time" came from. If they nerf the Machariel the t1 Dominix will be more powerful.
Eve, fly all 4 races or you're ******. Eve is Real |
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Trinkets friend
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.08 23:16:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:
ive seen a near max skilled mach unable to break the tank on a near max skilled passive shield tanked rattler. Also the vindi does more dps than the mach albeit at terrible ranges but then thats blasters for u.
I agree with wolf the mach is fine as it is...
Pull the other one, it has bells on. You can make Rattlers with 4K DPS tank of passive regen. Any BS would be unable to break that -in fact, every so often the odd killmail pops up (usually pimped wormhole Rattlers) where the ship takes 2-4M damage before going under. It is not a reason for saying the machariel is fine and not in need of a nerf.
The Machariel does more damage than most other battleships. it is the fact it is exceptionally fast and has three weapon bonuses which make it OP. Its falloff bonus gives it unrivalled damage projection.
it is stronger in every way (shield, armour, hull) than the maelstrom, for example. It has one more slot to play with.
its sig is 30% lower, base.
its scan res is 50% higher, base.
its sensor strength is 20% higher.
It has a bigger drone bay.
its base velocity is nearly 80% faster than the Maelstrom.
Arguably you would think "well, i am paying a billion ISk I would want these kind of attributes!" but CCP does not set the price on the hull. Players do. The reason you pay a billion ISK is because of these attributes, which have no achilles heel.
That's not balanced. You do not have to give anything up, compromise in any way, suffer a drawback if you fly the Machariel. The meta of the game is damage projection, range and mobility (to avoid hard tackle), all of which the machariel does better at than most ships in the game, if not all.
So, yes. nerf inbound. YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
352
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Posted - 2013.09.09 00:33:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:As the title says pls dont do this. I've heard rumours that a nerf is on the horizon. Is this true?
I have spent ages training for this ship and it would be a shame for all that training to go to waste....
PLEASE PLEASE dont nerf the mach.
One of the devs said that the mach was getting a nerf, although with all the ship updates it's hard to remember where. They were concerned that it was the go to battleship for everything because it had great speed, great agility, good damage, good damage projection, good defenses, and very generous fittings. They didn't want to nerf it much, but as it is there really isn't any reason to fly anything else once you're in a mach.
They also said they're going to nerf the cynable a little because they were a little too generous with it as well. |
Jon Matick
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
16
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Posted - 2013.09.09 00:44:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:The machariel is fine as it is, if anything the other nano bs need a buff. there ARE no other nano BSs, and there's the crux of the issue... the mach need either it's speed or damage/projection nerfed by probably as much as 25% to bring in anywhere NEAR in line with other 'nano' BSs. hell, even with a 25% speed nerf, it would STILL be the fastest BS anywhere. |
Slaved Lovechild
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.09 00:56:00 -
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Got it it's way better than the Maelstrom. I don't think you'll get any argument to that. The Mach is also over a billion ISK. Of course it's better!... If it wasn't why would anyone pay that. By some posters logic the navy version of the Hurricane is OP. How about T3 cruisers...
Anyways this is all moot because it's just rumor till it's announced by CCP. The Mach was already nerfed and I don't see any major nerf happening. |
Mathias Orsen
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.09 01:22:00 -
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I just like the way that all the people that have never flown a mach claim that it is OP and not having the slightest clue that it is not just a billion isk Hull, it is a billion isk hull that is often fit with billions of isk in mods.
My Mach is not Overpowered, My Wallet is.
You guys scream for years "Caldari, Caldari, Caldari" the day you realize Caldari ships are not what you wanted them to be all those years, you want everything else nerfed. |
Literally Space Moses
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.09.09 01:22:00 -
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Now imagine if you were training for a supercarrier or titan. The tears when those get nerfed are going to be exquisite. |
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
204
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Posted - 2013.09.09 01:24:00 -
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Jon Matick wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:The machariel is fine as it is, if anything the other nano bs need a buff. there ARE no other nano BSs, and there's the crux of the issue... the mach need either it's speed or damage/projection nerfed by probably as much as 25% to bring in anywhere NEAR in line with other 'nano' BSs. hell, even with a 25% speed nerf, it would STILL be the fastest BS anywhere.
There are a few, nano phoon is very much a thing, and nano pest/fleet pest work quite well too. You can also fly a kiting raven/scorpion navy/golem. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
848
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Posted - 2013.09.09 01:49:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:
ive seen a near max skilled mach unable to break the tank on a near max skilled passive shield tanked rattler. Also the vindi does more dps than the mach albeit at terrible ranges but then thats blasters for u.
I agree with wolf the mach is fine as it is...
Pull the other one, it has bells on. You can make Rattlers with 4K DPS tank of passive regen. Any BS would be unable to break that -in fact, every so often the odd killmail pops up (usually pimped wormhole Rattlers) where the ship takes 2-4M damage before going under. It is not a reason for saying the machariel is fine and not in need of a nerf. The Machariel does more damage than most other battleships. it is the fact it is exceptionally fast and has three weapon bonuses which make it OP. Its falloff bonus gives it unrivalled damage projection. it is stronger in every way (shield, armour, hull) than the maelstrom, for example. It has one more slot to play with. its sig is 30% lower, base. its scan res is 50% higher, base. its sensor strength is 20% higher. It has a bigger drone bay. its base velocity is nearly 80% faster than the Maelstrom. Arguably you would think "well, i am paying a billion ISk I would want these kind of attributes!" but CCP does not set the price on the hull. Players do. The reason you pay a billion ISK is because of these attributes, which have no achilles heel. That's not balanced. You do not have to give anything up, compromise in any way, suffer a drawback if you fly the Machariel. The meta of the game is damage projection, range and mobility (to avoid hard tackle), all of which the machariel does better at than most ships in the game, if not all. So, yes. nerf inbound.
You are comparing a Pirate faction ship with a t1 ship and saying its not balanced. They aren't supposed to be. Eve is Real |
Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
352
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Posted - 2013.09.09 01:55:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
- Angel Cartel: while the Dramiel has been brought back into line, the Cynabal and Machariel need a nerf. Not necessarily a big one mind you, but at the moment they are just too much versatile with their flexible slot layouts, extended drone bays coupled with amazing speed and good damage. Their theoretical weaknesses (lack of EHP, poor damage projection) don't matter as much in the field as they should.
Source
The ship can brawl way too well considering that it has the lowest mass of all battleships, has the second highest base speed (panther beats it at level 5), and has the second most number of effective turrets for any battleship (behind fleet typhoon). It's technically fifth on agility for all battleships, but that's only because the black ops ships have extremely low agility modifiers to compensate for their outrageously high mass. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
MIS Auxiliaries Kadeshians
32
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Posted - 2013.09.09 02:19:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Merin Ryskin wrote:The Phantasm used to be awesome. It had HAC-level firepower with a nice buffer tank and very reasonable cost, and effectively replaced the Zealot. The problem was that it was the first faction cruiser to be updated, so when CCP released the faction ship boost patch they assumed the Phantasm was already good enough since it had been updated more recently than the others. Unfortunately they were wrong, and the Phantasm is now a terrible ship since everything else around it has been made so much better. Ah yes, this dates back to 2009, and you're looking at the one responsible for that (along with the Dramiel, Cynabal and Machariel uberness)Considering I was the one breaking this ship in the first place, the least I can do is to post here what we think of pirate ships at the moment.
- Blood Raiders: Bhaalgorn is nice, Ashimmu and Cruor need some iteration. Need to find ways to make them useful at what they do without them competing too much with the Amarr Recon Ships.
- Sansha's Nation: Nightmare is very good, Phantasm and Succubus also need some love. Probably going to need to have a look at their mobility and EHP. Open to ideas however, so this thread will be watched.
- Guristas: Rattlesnake and Gila we are happy with, not so much with the Worm.
- Serpentis: we are quite pleased with all the ships in this line.
- Angel Cartel: while the Dramiel has been brought back into line, the Cynabal and Machariel need a nerf. Not necessarily a big one mind you, but at the moment they are just too much versatile with their flexible slot layouts, extended drone bays coupled with amazing speed and good damage. Their theoretical weaknesses (lack of EHP, poor damage projection) don't matter as much in the field as they should.
So, when would this be coming out? Not for a while, we have a lot of more urgent rebalancing to go through, mainly with Tech1 and 2 hulls, but this definately is on our to-do list.
Found a post concerning the Machariel (and other pirate faction) nerfs. Your welcome
Edit: Gah sorry the guy above me beat me too it. Oh well. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! |
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Jon Matick
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
16
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Posted - 2013.09.09 03:01:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Jon Matick wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:The machariel is fine as it is, if anything the other nano bs need a buff. there ARE no other nano BSs, and there's the crux of the issue... the mach need either it's speed or damage/projection nerfed by probably as much as 25% to bring in anywhere NEAR in line with other 'nano' BSs. hell, even with a 25% speed nerf, it would STILL be the fastest BS anywhere. There are a few, nano phoon is very much a thing, and nano pest/fleet pest work quite well too. You can also fly a kiting raven/scorpion navy/golem. youre...joking right? Ok, so the other ships you list can probably kite armour buffer BSs, but nothing else.
a mach can hit 2k/s+ and hence can kite BCs and a lot of cruisers, which is beyond ridiculous. the only other BS i can think of that can be semi effectively flown nano is the tempest but it isnt even in the same genre of game, let alone league, as a mach. |
Mathias Orsen
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
11
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Posted - 2013.09.09 03:58:00 -
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Quote: a mach can hit 2k/s+ and hence can kite BCs and a lot of cruisers, which is beyond ridiculous. the only other BS i can think of that can be semi effectively flown nano is the tempest but it isnt even in the same genre of game, let alone league, as a mach.
Nice "Big Fish" story.
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Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
15
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Posted - 2013.09.09 07:40:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:
ive seen a near max skilled mach unable to break the tank on a near max skilled passive shield tanked rattler. Also the vindi does more dps than the mach albeit at terrible ranges but then thats blasters for u.
I agree with wolf the mach is fine as it is...
Pull the other one, it has bells on. You can make Rattlers with 4K DPS tank of passive regen. Any BS would be unable to break that -in fact, every so often the odd killmail pops up (usually pimped wormhole Rattlers) where the ship takes 2-4M damage before going under. It is not a reason for saying the machariel is fine and not in need of a nerf. The Machariel does more damage than most other battleships. it is the fact it is exceptionally fast and has three weapon bonuses which make it OP. Its falloff bonus gives it unrivalled damage projection. it is stronger in every way (shield, armour, hull) than the maelstrom, for example. It has one more slot to play with. its sig is 30% lower, base. its scan res is 50% higher, base. its sensor strength is 20% higher. It has a bigger drone bay. its base velocity is nearly 80% faster than the Maelstrom. Arguably you would think "well, i am paying a billion ISk I would want these kind of attributes!" but CCP does not set the price on the hull. Players do. The reason you pay a billion ISK is because of these attributes, which have no achilles heel. That's not balanced. You do not have to give anything up, compromise in any way, suffer a drawback if you fly the Machariel. The meta of the game is damage projection, range and mobility (to avoid hard tackle), all of which the machariel does better at than most ships in the game, if not all. So, yes. nerf inbound.
That, and I am not even screaming nerf but that is a good explanation. I have to add to that, being that when people like to point at the rattlesnake they ignore the fact it is stationary due to sentries. But to top it off it can't dictate range because it falls into the lowest speed bracket 91m/s 2 more then the slowest BS, on top of the fact it is stationary to begin with and uses missiles thus not increasing damage application by kiting. Its dreadful agility doesn't even allow it to get a sexy orbit around your sentries for tanking purposes.
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Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
268
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Posted - 2013.09.09 08:15:00 -
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Marcus Walkuris wrote:
That, and I am not even screaming nerf but that is a good explanation. I have to add to that, being that when people like to point at the rattlesnake they ignore the fact it is stationary due to sentries. But to top it off it can't dictate range because it falls into the lowest speed bracket 91m/s 2 more then the slowest BS, on top of the fact it is stationary to begin with and uses missiles thus not increasing damage application by kiting. Its dreadful agility doesn't even allow it to get a sexy orbit around your sentries for tanking purposes.
And, despite being stationary in most situations, its horrible drone control range doesn't allow it to snipe AT ALL. You need PERFECT skills, two utility highs and possibly one or two weird rigging choices in order to shoot at -+110Km? with its longest reaching drones.
Because you cannot shoot with Sentries beyond your drone control range, no matter what is the optimal + falloff of your drones, or your targeting range.
If you cram all the highs with drone link augmentors, you have to give up the missiles, and then it falls way beyond the new Dominix in applied DPS (tracking, duh).
The Machariel is amazing for EVERYTHING. Great tank, great scan res, great reach, great DPS, best agility and speed of its class, makes for a better alpha sniper than a Tempest, makes for a wonderful brawler with selectable damage, etc etc.
No, the tracking enhancer nerf was NOT a Machariel nerf. The Machariel, as the Cynabal, deserve a chop on the nerfing block. I'd hit them where it hurts: speed and agility. Yes, I have Gallente and Minmatar BS V, and T2 Large autocannons and arties. No, I'm not in favor of nerfing it "because I can't fly it".
It's just too damn good at EVERYTHING, too versatile, too obvious a choice for most situations where a BS might be needed, be it PvP or PvE.
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Goldensaver
Perkone Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2013.09.09 08:35:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:Marcus Walkuris wrote: P.S. To the original poster, for as long as I've played EvE the mach has been outrageously powerful on a pedestal all to its own. With a very wide range of PWN application throughout PvP and PvE alike. That said I don't own one and never flew one, although I've followed Xyrdiana around in one (with my gimpy drake).
I would guess they will tune the ships to be a little more excelling towards their pirate faction origins. And not one ship to rule them all. ive seen a near max skilled mach unable to break the tank on a near max skilled passive shield tanked rattler. Also the vindi does more dps than the mach albeit at terrible ranges but then thats blasters for u. I agree with wolf the mach is fine as it is... Yeah, but if the Rattlesnake is so great why does it cost less than half as much as a Mach? It's equally as difficult to obtain...
Slaved Lovechild wrote:Got it it's way better than the Maelstrom. I don't think you'll get any argument to that. The Mach is also over a billion ISK. Of course it's better!... If it wasn't why would anyone pay that. By some posters logic the navy version of the Hurricane is OP. How about T3 cruisers...
Anyways this is all moot because it's just rumor till it's announced by CCP. The Mach was already nerfed and I don't see any major nerf happening. "Hurhurhurhurhur, it's over a billion ISK therefore it should be OP."
It's over a billion isk because it's OP. Have you looked at the Rattlesnake? You get the Rattler the same way you get the Mach, by grinding faction missions with a pirate faction. They cost the same to make (in theory). So why does the Rattler, which is pretty much exactly on par with the Mach for all intents and purposes, cost less than half as much?
Oh right, because CCP doesn't directly control the market. The players have decided a Mach should cost that much because of how effective it is. Not the other way around.
I'm not saying it's ridiculously overpowered and needs to be nerfed into the ground. Just saying that cost is hardly an argument as the cost will be set by the players to match the supply and demand. Machs are just that good, therefore the demand is much higher. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
243
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Posted - 2013.09.09 08:44:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Marcus Walkuris wrote:
That, and I am not even screaming nerf but that is a good explanation. I have to add to that, being that when people like to point at the rattlesnake they ignore the fact it is stationary due to sentries. But to top it off it can't dictate range because it falls into the lowest speed bracket 91m/s 2 more then the slowest BS, on top of the fact it is stationary to begin with and uses missiles thus not increasing damage application by kiting. Its dreadful agility doesn't even allow it to get a sexy orbit around your sentries for tanking purposes.
And, despite being stationary in most situations, its horrible drone control range doesn't allow it to snipe AT ALL. You need PERFECT skills, two utility highs and possibly one or two weird rigging choices in order to shoot at -+110Km? with its longest reaching drones. Because you cannot shoot with Sentries beyond your drone control range, no matter what is the optimal + falloff of your drones, or your targeting range. If you cram all the highs with drone link augmentors, you have to give up the missiles, and then it falls way beyond the new Dominix in applied DPS (tracking, duh).
Its got the same control range as a dominix. Dominix and rattlesnake will shoot 121km with 2 DLAs and a rig. Rattlesnake gives up 2 utilty highs to do so, the dominix gives up 2 turrets. Also the rattlesnake is a brick, which is a reasonable explanation for its movement speed, and balanced.
If you want a fast battleship, please visit your local angel mission agent and test drive a mach today. Also if you need your rattlesnake 100km away in no more than 12 seconds, there is a module for that.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
243
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Posted - 2013.09.09 08:49:00 -
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Goldensaver wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:Marcus Walkuris wrote: P.S. To the original poster, for as long as I've played EvE the mach has been outrageously powerful on a pedestal all to its own. With a very wide range of PWN application throughout PvP and PvE alike. That said I don't own one and never flew one, although I've followed Xyrdiana around in one (with my gimpy drake).
I would guess they will tune the ships to be a little more excelling towards their pirate faction origins. And not one ship to rule them all. ive seen a near max skilled mach unable to break the tank on a near max skilled passive shield tanked rattler. Also the vindi does more dps than the mach albeit at terrible ranges but then thats blasters for u. I agree with wolf the mach is fine as it is... Yeah, but if the Rattlesnake is so great why does it cost less than half as much as a Mach? It's equally as difficult to obtain... Slaved Lovechild wrote:Got it it's way better than the Maelstrom. I don't think you'll get any argument to that. The Mach is also over a billion ISK. Of course it's better!... If it wasn't why would anyone pay that. By some posters logic the navy version of the Hurricane is OP. How about T3 cruisers...
Anyways this is all moot because it's just rumor till it's announced by CCP. The Mach was already nerfed and I don't see any major nerf happening. "Hurhurhurhurhur, it's over a billion ISK therefore it should be OP." It's over a billion isk because it's OP. Have you looked at the Rattlesnake? You get the Rattler the same way you get the Mach, by grinding faction missions with a pirate faction. They cost the same to make (in theory). So why does the Rattler, which is pretty much exactly on par with the Mach for all intents and purposes, cost less than half as much?
They also drop, and the price of rattlesnake bpc's is plainly in drop territory, not LP territory. The big price difference probably either says there is more gurista space, or gurista space has been more consistently farmed.
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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.09.09 09:17:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:
ive seen a near max skilled mach unable to break the tank on a near max skilled passive shield tanked rattler. Also the vindi does more dps than the mach albeit at terrible ranges but then thats blasters for u.
I agree with wolf the mach is fine as it is...
Pull the other one, it has bells on. You can make Rattlers with 4K DPS tank of passive regen. Any BS would be unable to break that -in fact, every so often the odd killmail pops up (usually pimped wormhole Rattlers) where the ship takes 2-4M damage before going under. It is not a reason for saying the machariel is fine and not in need of a nerf. The Machariel does more damage than most other battleships. it is the fact it is exceptionally fast and has three weapon bonuses which make it OP. Its falloff bonus gives it unrivalled damage projection. it is stronger in every way (shield, armour, hull) than the maelstrom, for example. It has one more slot to play with. its sig is 30% lower, base. its scan res is 50% higher, base. its sensor strength is 20% higher. It has a bigger drone bay. its base velocity is nearly 80% faster than the Maelstrom. Arguably you would think "well, i am paying a billion ISk I would want these kind of attributes!" but CCP does not set the price on the hull. Players do. The reason you pay a billion ISK is because of these attributes, which have no achilles heel. That's not balanced. You do not have to give anything up, compromise in any way, suffer a drawback if you fly the Machariel. The meta of the game is damage projection, range and mobility (to avoid hard tackle), all of which the machariel does better at than most ships in the game, if not all. So, yes. nerf inbound.
As someone else has said dont compare a pirate bs to a t1 bs please. thats like comparing an assault frig to a t1 frig... The mach is an expensive ship not just to buy but to fit as well. It should be worth the isk you pay. If we're to continue comparisons please compare it to the other pirate bs.
And how does it get better shielding than a maelstrom? maybe base buffer shielding i dk i cant rememebr the numbers. but the maelstroms shield boost bonus gives it an awesome tank at level 5. Off the top of my head the maelstrom does 1k dps and has 1.2k dps active tank at level 5 skills with a crystal set of implants.... |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
475
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Posted - 2013.09.09 09:28:00 -
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hah so much qq for an imbalanced op ship time to end the mach era |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.09 09:40:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:They also drop, and the price of rattlesnake bpc's is plainly in drop territory, not LP territory. The big price difference probably either says there is more gurista space, or gurista space has been more consistently farmed.
Or possibly the fact that, when CCP "Accidentally the loot tables", the Cynabal BPO was well distributed (and bragged about on the forums) is keeping the price of the Mach (as an associated vessel) artificially surpressed... Perhaps its price point would otherwise be significantly higher... |
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