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Akonnen
Birds of Prey Inc.
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Posted - 2013.12.05 11:43:00 -
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Enough with the Minmatar nerfs, some people don't understand how falloff works. Some people in CSM need to be bitchslapped, Amarr ppl in particular. Dramiel, Machariel, tracking enhancer's, What's next? Why did you nerf the dramiel but not the crow? Why do you nerf tracking enhancer's but it's ok for the NM to hit max dps (1000+) at 120km?
If you want to balance ships then don't listen to players and do it from the heart.
Also, falloff in space is silly. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12752
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:53:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:As the title says pls dont do this. I've heard rumours that a nerf is on the horizon. Is this true?
I have spent ages training for this ship and it would be a shame for all that training to go to waste....
PLEASE PLEASE dont nerf the mach.
What are you talkin about? We're going to make the Mach by far and away the best batleship in the game:
Special Ability: 25% bonus to ore compression
Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Mining Laser amount per level Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to LMining Laser range per level
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:54:00 -
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alexi turov wrote:IIR, the Mach had been nerfed hard a couple of times in the past, so another trip to nerftown seems to be a normal part of the life cycle of this ship. Without seeing a devblog or patch notes, there's no way of knowing what will change, only that change will happen.
I, for one, hope that the extra 'engine' on top is turned into a smooth jazz generator as compensation for the removal of the speed/range/insert bonus here.
The mach got a pretty big buff in the pirate ships rebalance a few years ago.
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Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:19:00 -
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This is ALL bullshit until the "real offcial dev blog" hit the airwaves. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:alexi turov wrote:IIR, the Mach had been nerfed hard a couple of times in the past, so another trip to nerftown seems to be a normal part of the life cycle of this ship. Without seeing a devblog or patch notes, there's no way of knowing what will change, only that change will happen.
I, for one, hope that the extra 'engine' on top is turned into a smooth jazz generator as compensation for the removal of the speed/range/insert bonus here. The mach got a pretty big buff in the pirate ships rebalance a few years ago.
You say that, but it still mines like ****. :O
Seriously though I don't have a large gripe with the machariel, I mean something has to be best right? Minmatar are built around nano just look at the falloff and low optimal on projectile weapons. You walk a thin line and profit or die. So what do you do make a AC boat without good movement-speed? Also makes it hard not to make them Overpowered or Underpowered, imho the mach isn't that horrible an eyesore compared to other ships, not worried about it, its been around. |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:29:00 -
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I'm just going to add my prediction here: Machariel loses its falloff bonus.
Reasoning: * CCP mentioned they want to bring the mach more in line with the others. Neither the vindi nor nightmare get range bonus. * ytterbium mentioned in the marauder rebalancing thread that the role of marauders is to out tank and out project pirates, while the pirates have higher raw dmg and speed. * when ppl complained about the vargur vs the mach in terms of dmg / projection, ytterbium had mentioned that the mach was up for a nerf, seemingly being the justification. |
TomyLobo
U2EZ
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Posted - 2013.12.08 03:56:00 -
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No need to get all worked up over nerfs, tbh. I used to and I can tell you that it isn't worth it. |
Trinkets friend
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.08 06:36:00 -
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nerf the hell out of this thing. Seriously, it has more of everything than any other battleship, and more speed than most frigates. YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.12.08 06:46:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:nerf the hell out of this thing. Seriously, it has more of everything than any other battleship, and more speed than most frigates.
ExceptL tank cap targeting range
little things like that.
P.S. If the mach is outrunning a frigate, you have some serious work to do on your fittings and skills. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:06:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:nerf the hell out of this thing. Seriously, it has more of everything than any other battleship, and more speed than most frigates. ExceptL tank cap targeting range little things like that. P.S. If the mach is outrunning a frigate, you have some serious work to do on your fittings and skills.
I think you just fell into a spiky sarcasm trap, covered in sarcastic human poop-***** (ok feecies then..). Causing you horribly painful sarcastic infections. Luckily there is a sarcastic helicopter to take you back to base. But you sure just lost a sarcastic land-war in Asia. Because you didn't watch where you where going, and maybe never should've been there. |
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Izuru Hishido
Lethal Dosage. Violent Society
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:39:00 -
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As someone whose flown with/in machariels in PVE and PVP, I can vouch that the mach is just a little too good at its role. In agreement with what most people have said in this thread, it doesn't need a tremendous nerf, just a small one to overall DPS, or a slight tank nerf and everything is golden. That said, I'm going to move onto the 'issues' I've seen discussed.
Machs are fast. Yes, this isn't an issue, this is a feature for angel ships. Their primary use comes from being faster than every other ship in their class, but that said, they're easily outclassed by smaller ships, and even some slow recons. Unlike other ships of their class, they can be crippled by a simple jam, or in the case of amarr recons, by tracking disruption (I'll take this time to point out that out of all the faction BS, Machariels are the most vulnerable to TD.)
Even if the machs are fast, they don't do that much more DPS than any other faction battleship, with the notable exception being a truly effective PVP bhaalgorn. A mach's greatest benefit isn't its speed, its how agile it is in combat, so if a fast frigate can catch it without being picked off if the pilot isn't as skilled as any of his peers, he'll be able to dance around with the frigate until either he or the frigate gets raped by the inevitable backup one or the other has.
EVE is very much not a solo game, but the Mach does absolutely splendid in its role, which I have always interpreted to be 'small to medium sized harassment.' They're expensive, yes. They're skill intensive, yes. And if piloted by a complete lemming, a machariel is less than useless. Unlike most other battleships, you have to have at least some clue of what the hell you're doing otherwise you're going to become a liability rather than an asset to your gang, and I've seen mach gangs get skunked and raped by proper gangs on the other end of the spectrum. Machs don't hold any single advantage over everything that makes them invincible, but they do have a few extravagant benefits that do straddle the line with overpowered.
How do I think the mach should be nerfed to preserve its position but also to deal with the abundance of issues it has, even if those issues are only held by mediocre and rigid players? Honestly, I don't know. Perhaps adjustments to its speed, or its acceleration to prevent outrunning fast cruisers, maybe a slight filing off on the falloff bonus, or maybe, better yet, lowering the overall EHP. The mach to me screams that it is meant to hit very hard, very fast, and get the hell out while still being able to protect itself and other ships, so I don't think it needs or deserves a massive nerf. Do other ships underperform when compared to it? Yes.
Will the Mach always win any and every engagement? No. I think CCP started to stealth address some of these 'issues' with some of the other changes that were bemoaned at the time and raged against. Machs, unlike other faction battleships, have pitiful capacitors and are therefore extremely vulnerable to neuting. That means to me that a geddon might be a very bad match for a machariel pilot on his own or will be a threat with a moderately skilled pilot at the helm. Or, there are the new EAF changes to consider, or the new ceptor changes, and so on.
As for comparing the machs to other ships, no other ship has the same role as the mach on a battleship level, at least since the nerf of the nanophoon. That said, other battleships might be able to stand up to it or even kick the **** out of it at long or close range, but like I've said so many times, it all comes down to pilot skill. If you have a great pilot in a mach versus six **** pilots in a range of other ships, the mach will probably take one or two out before being able to retreat. If you have a **** mach pilot against mediocre or even decent pilots in a few other ships, then the mach will definitely be blown to bits. Its all about thought and situational awareness in EVE, which only experience can bring.
Then again, some experience might only bring whining since the other pilots won't want to put in the effort to learn how to best use what the hell they want to fly and will resort to scumbag tactics in order to get their kills. Whatever the case is, the Machariel does not deserve a huge nerf, but a slight rebalance. And comparing the Machariel to other faction battleships is ridiculous, as none of them are expected to perform in the same ways as the machariel. |
Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:11:00 -
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With the new marauders I think machariel is not that far out. The TE nerf hit it somewhat, and the niche of speed is refreshing.
Machariel could take this one nerf IMHO: GÇó drone bandwidth 25m3.
Cynabal same. |
marVLs
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:22:00 -
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I don't understand why CCP is trying to nerf all the BS as much as it's possible... it's a freaking BATTLESHIP FFS it should be powerfull like hell, especially pirate, T2 BS's...
I think Mach, Vindi are good, but Rattler and Nightmare should get just a tiny tiny buff for pvp possibilities. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
893
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:54:00 -
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marVLs wrote:I don't understand why CCP is trying to nerf all the BS as much as it's possible... it's a freaking BATTLESHIP FFS it should be powerfull like hell, especially pirate, T2 BS's...
I think Mach, Vindi are good, but Rattler and Nightmare should get just a tiny tiny buff for pvp possibilities.
They are focusing as much as possible ( and I do not agree) on making new players feel they can fly ships as powerful as the old players). "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Austin McLaren
Addicts Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:32:00 -
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Many for and against arguments here and my opinion is the Macha could do with some give and take re balance no nerf or buff. In the end this thread is full of speculation and hear say mixed with plenty of tears, hopes and dreams.
Stop crying if it gets nerfed fly another ship.
As for the whiners the Mach isn't that good so please ready your forum rage incase of a buff. |
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