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CaptainSponge
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Posted - 2006.01.09 09:22:00 -
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I am thinking of buying a Minmatar charater who is HAC ready for PvP. Is is worth looking for a different race or are the HAC's and Recon ships for Minmatar worth using?
Thanks in advance for any info.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.01.09 09:27:00 -
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Uber testicular.
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CaptainSponge
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Posted - 2006.01.09 09:31:00 -
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Huh?!?!
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2006.01.09 09:32:00 -
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they sux, dont buy them
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What ya gonna do, when I come for you!?
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.01.09 09:36:00 -
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they suck, dont buy em.
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Lonectzn
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:18:00 -
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Only one of the three who replied have flown a Vagabond =)
I'm biased, but best HAC in the game IMO =)
Uber solo speedy dreamy.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Lonectzn
Only one of the three who replied have flown a Vagabond =)
I'm biased, but best HAC in the game IMO =)
Uber solo speedy dreamy.
dude stfu, they sux
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lonectzn
Only one of the three who replied have flown a Vagabond =)
I'm biased, but best HAC in the game IMO =)
Uber solo speedy dreamy.
Somehow, I think that's me. But i might be wrong. Since you obviously spy on me and know i fly ishtars! 
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Originally by: Lonectzn
Only one of the three who replied have flown a Vagabond =)
I'm biased, but best HAC in the game IMO =)
Uber solo speedy dreamy.
dude stfu, they sux
yeah, shut it , they sux.
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Eddie
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Originally by: Lonectzn
Only one of the three who replied have flown a Vagabond =)
I'm biased, but best HAC in the game IMO =)
Uber solo speedy dreamy.
dude stfu, they sux
yeah, shut it , they sux.
what he said
Originally by: TomB
It is a good day to be Jove
oh thank GOD! I thought you were gonna wave the nerf bat around in this thread
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CasC
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:44:00 -
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Iv gone up against many vagabonds in the past with my deimos, and they are worthy opponents if you have good pilot and a good fitting as with every other HAC.
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zoturi
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Posted - 2006.01.09 12:29:00 -
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no good
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.09 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: CasC
Iv gone up against many vagabonds in the past with my deimos, and they are worthy opponents if you have good pilot and a good fitting as with every other HAC.
shut up. they not. they suck. nobody should buy vagabonds or muninns as they are worthless. the people who have them ordered on naga should cancel their orders today.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:01:00 -
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Vagabond = slow, medicore DPS, below average tanking ability for a HAC
Muninn = only useful with artillery, artillery sucks, bad HAC
I'd go for an Amarr HAC character. Their HACs rock.
Educating Eve forum denizens as to the error of their ways since 2005. |
Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:13:00 -
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To the OP : They are great ships for great pilots. Mediocre ships for mediocre pilots.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
To the OP : They are great ships for great pilots. Mediocre ships for mediocre pilots.
no they suck regardless of whether you are the best pilot in the world. don't use them.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:23:00 -
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Kaylana is the best pilot in the world, she makes the Phoon 00b3r
Educating Eve forum denizens as to the error of their ways since 2005. |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Kaylana is the best pilot in the world, she makes the Phoon 00b3r
impossible
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Kurtz Weber
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:37:00 -
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yeah, minnie hac's suck, dont even go there 
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Eonov
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:47:00 -
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If u do buy a minnie HAC dont take it up against a cerberus, u will only be left speechless with how fast u ended up in ur pod, and that applies to both minnie hacs.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Eonov
If u do buy a minnie HAC dont take it up against a cerberus, u will only be left speechless with how fast u ended up in ur pod, and that applies to both minnie hacs.
pfft, minny hacs die to interceptors. they are totally worthless (remember to cancel your order with naga)
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Mesasone
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:54:00 -
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The people have spoken!
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Squize
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Posted - 2006.01.09 14:09:00 -
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No, they are the best !
Same goes for the Amarr and Caldari ones.
Its only the Gallente ones that sux.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.01.09 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Eonov
If u do buy a minnie HAC dont take it up against a cerberus, u will only be left speechless with how fast u ended up in ur pod, and that applies to both minnie hacs.
Are you saying that Minnie HACs have crap kinetic resistance and should fill their resistance hole up with hardeners?
Eureka, that's where I've been going wrong!
Educating Eve forum denizens as to the error of their ways since 2005. |
Mesasone
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Posted - 2006.01.09 14:26:00 -
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No, I think he's saying that minmatar HACs on the whole are a lost cause 
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CasC
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Posted - 2006.01.09 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
pfft, minny hacs die to interceptors. they are totally worthless (remember to cancel your order with naga)
You dont have any arguments. And you keep saying the same thing. If you dont have anything more to say, then please one post is enough. The vagabond is a great hit and run ship, for fast operations. WCS in lows and as soon you start to loose, just warp out.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.09 14:38:00 -
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totally teh suck. don't buy them.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.09 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: CasC
Originally by: Sarmaul
pfft, minny hacs die to interceptors. they are totally worthless (remember to cancel your order with naga)
You dont have any arguments. And you keep saying the same thing. If you dont have anything more to say, then please one post is enough. The vagabond is a great hit and run ship, for fast operations. WCS in lows and as soon you start to loose, just warp out.
it's amazing how one person fails to grasp the theme of replies in this thread. There is a very good reason why vagabonds cost 160m+, and it's not because they suck
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2006.01.09 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dexter Rast on 09/01/2006 14:45:43
I have never died so many times in such a short period of time as when i fly minnie hacs.
weak resists, slow speed and crap slot layout, you cant do anything in them that cant be bettered by another race`s tech 1 cruiser,
closer range vaga/muninn looses everytime to a thorax
long range vaga/muninn looses everytime to a thorax
buy a thorax instead
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2006.01.09 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Eddie
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Originally by: Lonectzn
Only one of the three who replied have flown a Vagabond =)
I'm biased, but best HAC in the game IMO =)
Uber solo speedy dreamy.
dude stfu, they sux
yeah, shut it , they sux.
what he said
lol. i'm w/ lone on this one. in fact, for solo, vagabond is best you can get. only hac i would even consider going up against an ishtar with
(outside of another ishtar :P , but i cant use them)
...and pay no attention the 'stfu' choir, they just tryin to keep demand on them lower so they cheap 
minnie 4tehW1n
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Kai Jyokoroi
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Posted - 2006.01.09 15:47:00 -
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Exactly. If they convince you they suck, you won't buy them and demand goes down.
In the words of my 28m SP pvp friend - "The Vagabond is the closest thing to an invincible hit and run ship I've ever seen."
In conclusion - Minmatar HACS do NOT suck. All you have to do is look at the stats and try flying one and you'll see they don't.
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Fredbob
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Posted - 2006.01.09 16:00:00 -
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Use a stabber and pretend you're flying a vaga, we need the price to fall
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.01.09 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: CasC
You dont have any arguments. And you keep saying the same thing. If you dont have anything more to say, then please one post is enough. The vagabond is a great hit and run ship, for fast operations. WCS in lows and as soon you start to loose, just warp out.
The best thing about the vaga is that you don't even need to fit stabs.
That's the only good thing tho. Everything else about it sucks.
p - l - u - r
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dust monkey
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Posted - 2006.01.09 17:49:00 -
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they have crap dps crap, tankage, crap almost evrything, dont buy them, cancel your orders now!
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Macel
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:28:00 -
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These people are all saying they suck because they don't want Eve's best kept secret to get out (how awesome the vagabond is) and drive the price of the ship up!
So, everyone stop buying those crappy Gallente HACs and give the Vagabond a spin!
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Daiken
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Lonectzn
Only one of the three who replied have flown a Vagabond =)
I'm biased, but best HAC in the game IMO =)
Uber solo speedy dreamy.
Somehow, I think that's me. But i might be wrong. Since you obviously spy on me and know i fly ishtars!
Ishtars are awesome !!! 1/2 of the damage & tanking capability of a Dominix for almost 3 times the price.
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Valerian
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:53:00 -
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The Vaga is just incredibly sucks, because I am a decent guy, I'l take it off your hands for a measly 100mil (msg me in game)...
Concerning the Muninn, nothing to write about, this HAC has a big M on the nose for Mediocre imo.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Kaylana is the best pilot in the world, she makes the Phoon 00b3r
and you make these forums such a nice place to frequent
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.10 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Drunkeh on 10/01/2006 01:21:47
The vaga is definately the most overrated ship in the game.
Its good for 2 things: Killing NPCers in the south and being a heavy tackler, and I'd rather use a stabber for the 2nd one.
Vs any close range BS, you either die or if you are lucky he has no web or heavy nos so you warp out. Vs long range BS you will most likely win, but hell you would win in a t1 cruiser in that situation.
Its fun to fly cause its like flying a super inty, but that doesn't mean its as uber as everyone thinks it is.
I'd still much rather have caldari cruiser 5 than minmatar cruiser 5 in any situation. Eagle is vastly superior than the muninn at the only thing the muninn does better than the vaga, sniping. And the Cerb is just plain uber.
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Gort
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Posted - 2006.01.10 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dexter Rast
Edited by: Dexter Rast on 09/01/2006 14:45:43
I have never died so many times in such a short period of time as when i fly minnie hacs.
weak resists, slow speed and crap slot layout, you cant do anything in them that cant be bettered by another race`s tech 1 cruiser,
closer range vaga/muninn looses everytime to a thorax
long range vaga/muninn looses everytime to a thorax
buy a thorax instead
You're joking, right?
Gort
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.10 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh
Edited by: Drunkeh on 10/01/2006 01:21:47
The vaga is definately the most overrated ship in the game.
Its good for 2 things: Killing NPCers in the south and being a heavy tackler, and I'd rather use a stabber for the 2nd one.
Vs any close range BS, you either die or if you are lucky he has no web or heavy nos so you warp out. Vs long range BS you will most likely win, but hell you would win in a t1 cruiser in that situation.
Its fun to fly cause its like flying a super inty, but that doesn't mean its as uber as everyone thinks it is.
I'd still much rather have caldari cruiser 5 than minmatar cruiser 5 in any situation. Eagle is vastly superior than the muninn at the only thing the muninn does better than the vaga, sniping. And the Cerb is just plain uber.
you're just bitter you spent over a year training for crap ships
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.10 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gort
Originally by: Dexter Rast
Edited by: Dexter Rast on 09/01/2006 14:45:43
I have never died so many times in such a short period of time as when i fly minnie hacs.
weak resists, slow speed and crap slot layout, you cant do anything in them that cant be bettered by another race`s tech 1 cruiser,
closer range vaga/muninn looses everytime to a thorax
long range vaga/muninn looses everytime to a thorax
buy a thorax instead
You're joking, right?
pre-RMR minmatar HACs were easy kills in thoraxes. Hell my corpm8 killed a plated automuninn using a vexor.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.01.10 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 10/01/2006 03:16:11
Hint: cyclone > hacs for 1/4 the price mmmk
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.10 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Edited by: Blind Man on 10/01/2006 03:16:11
Hint: cyclone > hacs for 1/4 the price mmmk
tbh I'm still surprised how much that extra med + grid has turned it into a hac killer
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.01.10 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 10/01/2006 04:43:05
Originally by: Sarmaul
tbh I'm still surprised how much that extra med + grid has turned it into a hac killer
Come on
Let's say it's a mod you have to think very hard (i mean, very very hard) before fitting it on a close range setup. I hope I didn't give to much away, people might *gasp* be creative and start thinking and fitting it... Eh. You know, that very specialized mod that non-specific setups have no problem to defeat, that nobody ever bother fitting since it's a lot of sacrifices for little to no reward, in so few circumstances...
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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Marcus Thrawn
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Posted - 2006.01.10 05:00:00 -
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they sux
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.01.10 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Edited by: Blind Man on 10/01/2006 03:16:11
Hint: cyclone > hacs for 1/4 the price mmmk
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R3 1D
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:15:00 -
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Cyclone is a very good ship but the Vagabond is still a lot faster and more agile. Both are good ships - one just costs 4x the price for a bit more speed and less highslots
(Yes, my main account is broken)
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Mruah Ktah
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:29:00 -
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Using scrambler, web and 2 racial jammers, 2 med + 1 light EW drone against close range BS can do miracles on Vagabond... I have had several issues breaking some tanks before ammo ends thou :) (and sometimes its very close when jamming fails here and there)
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MacDuncan
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:40:00 -
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No, don't buy Minmi HACs...they are crap...deffo not worth the money... :P
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Spartac0
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:51:00 -
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to the OP : in order to confirm you that minnie HAC sucks, all the posters in this thread will trade with me their Vaga for one of my Stabber ....
Come on ppl, escrow me all , i'll collect during the weekend and put u as a bonus a brand new Rifter for each HAC |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 10/01/2006 11:56:06
Originally by: Drunkeh
Edited by: Drunkeh on 10/01/2006 01:21:47
The vaga is definately the most overrated ship in the game.
Its good for 2 things: Killing NPCers in the south and being a heavy tackler, and I'd rather use a stabber for the 2nd one.
Vs any close range BS, you either die or if you are lucky he has no web or heavy nos so you warp out. Vs long range BS you will most likely win, but hell you would win in a t1 cruiser in that situation.
Its fun to fly cause its like flying a super inty, but that doesn't mean its as uber as everyone thinks it is.
I'd still much rather have caldari cruiser 5 than minmatar cruiser 5 in any situation. Eagle is vastly superior than the muninn at the only thing the muninn does better than the vaga, sniping. And the Cerb is just plain uber.
Psst no wonder you let drunkenone go....
Cerberus is nice, and thus why i got one alt training for it
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:49:00 -
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I have an 2nd acct. training for the amarrian tech... they are due for a boost sooner or later.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Lonectzn
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:03:00 -
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Personally, I never really connected with the cyclone. Somehow just not me. I don't know how. Perhaps it looks too much like an actual ship to be really Minnie.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:11:00 -
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minmatar HACs are the best. everyone should fly them instead of the cerberus.
the cerberus sucks soooo much. if you are one of the people who has an order for a cerberus on with BIG, cancel it now, and order a minmatar HAC (or anything else, i don't care as long as you stop buying cerbs)
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lonectzn
Personally, I never really connected with the cyclone. Somehow just not me. I don't know how. Perhaps it looks too much like an actual ship to be really Minnie.
...how about 2 Mach3 Razors taped to a mini mag light?
I know they like the 'sail/fin' thing, its cool *badass on the wolf*, but seriously, wtf is that crap supposed to be on our BC and our dessy?
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:19:00 -
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im surprised that so many people would rather use artillery on a munin. Yes its made for use with thsoe guns, but just like a tempest it can b very effective with autcannons. pre-rmr I got my munin with 6500 armor with the lowest resistence being 50% expolive to armor. Everything else was well above 60%.
The main argument going around is its no good in solo combat. Well news flash people, not all combat is one on one. Yes its not the greatest 1 on 1 ship but in small engagments it can sit there and take a beating for several minutes. In the mean time you can nos it you can shoot it, but its still going to fire back and believe me, its going to hurt alot.
Anyone who says "it sucks dont buy it" is simlpy not creative enough to find a way to make a low prices HAC work just as good as an the high priced ones.
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Tha Tyger
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:29:00 -
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amazing how much people just say "it sux" without mentioning why. Also strange that 90% of the people think they sux O_o
They are just as overpriced as all HAC true, they have wierd slot layouts, agree. But with an creative mind you can make it quite usefull. And I love to fly my Muninn, though not in PvP as it's way overpriced =/
People should stop whining, and stop claiming all amarrian ships are best (every one claims apoc is the best bs, zealot the best hac etc). Just give the ships a chanse =/
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:41:00 -
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The vagabond is the ultimate solo hunter ship. Its not the most powerful hac in a straight up fight, but it packs a really big punch for basically being a tackler.
The munin is decent fleet support (but not as good as an eagle).
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Horg
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Squize
No, they are the best !
Same goes for the Amarr and Caldari ones.
Its only the Gallente ones that sux.
True... dont buy gallente...in fact, hurry and get rid of your gallente ships at low price before they loose all value... :P
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:51:00 -
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I love HACs, especially when they come within 20km of my AC tempest...err...-cough-...never mind.
-Wrayeth
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Naughty Boy
Come on
Let's say it's a mod you have to think very hard (i mean, very very hard) before fitting it on a close range setup. I hope I didn't give to much away, people might *gasp* be creative and start thinking and fitting it... Eh. You know, that very specialized mod that non-specific setups have no problem to defeat, that nobody ever bother fitting since it's a lot of sacrifices for little to no reward, in so few circumstances...
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
wtf are you stoned or something? the reduction in fitting reqs for shield extenders + invul fields being unnerfed + 25% cap + extra mid slot + increased boost bonus + extra pg + extra cpu + increased hitpoints = rather good cyclone. Besides the first 2, it has nothing to do with fitting some mysterious module you keep hinting at.
I think NB's actually talking about nos.
p - l - u - r
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Naughty Boy
Come on
Let's say it's a mod you have to think very hard (i mean, very very hard) before fitting it on a close range setup. I hope I didn't give to much away, people might *gasp* be creative and start thinking and fitting it... Eh. You know, that very specialized mod that non-specific setups have no problem to defeat, that nobody ever bother fitting since it's a lot of sacrifices for little to no reward, in so few circumstances...
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
wtf are you stoned or something? the reduction in fitting reqs for shield extenders + invul fields being unnerfed + 25% cap + extra mid slot + increased boost bonus + extra pg + extra cpu + increased hitpoints = rather good cyclone. Besides the first 2, it has nothing to do with fitting some mysterious module you keep hinting at.
I think NB's actually talking about nos.
can I buy your naughty boy translator?
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
can I buy your naughty boy translator?
Not for sale
p - l - u - r
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 10/01/2006 17:15:47
Originally by: MysticNZ
Originally by: Blind Man
Edited by: Blind Man on 10/01/2006 03:16:11
Hint: cyclone > hacs for 1/4 the price mmmk
you wanna try it?
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:43:00 -
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Buying a character to fly Minmatar HAC? TBH, the HAC is about the only ship Minmatar compete with. Unfortunately HAC prices are so hig as to render them show pieces, hardly to be used in combat. I wouldn't make that purchase.
Short range Cyclone is a door-stop.
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xaioguai
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: CasC
You dont have any arguments. And you keep saying the same thing. If you dont have anything more to say, then please one post is enough. The vagabond is a great hit and run ship, for fast operations. WCS in lows and as soon you start to loose, just warp out.
The best thing about the vaga is that you don't even need to fit stabs.
That's the only good thing tho. Everything else about it sucks.
oh no!!!, now empire miners are going to buy vagabond instead of transport ship
look what you've done
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Quote:
Hell my corpm8 killed a plated automuninn using a vexor.
Then the pilot was a noob
Prolly, he was fix afterall
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Drunkeh on 10/01/2006 23:37:02
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The vagabond is the ultimate solo hunter ship. Its not the most powerful hac in a straight up fight, but it packs a really big punch for basically being a tackler.
I used to think this way, and I still agree. However, saying "its the ultimate solo hunter ship" is really a meaningless line. Like I said, its great for hunting NPCers in the south, which makes it a great solo ship, but then again anything can kill NPCers in the south. The only thing that makes it the "ultimate solo hunter ship" is its ability to usually pick and choose your fights sticking to ones you win, as well as its ability to outmanuever people when they blob you.
However where the vaga really shines is not as a solo ship (unless you are killing NPCers). Solo, you really won't get all that many kills, cruisers and maybe some indies and the occasional retard traveling around in a long range bs with no instas or stabs. No, where the vaga really shines is in a frig gang. It is fast enough entering warp (esp with a named/faction nano) to keep up with AFs, and it brings firepower and defense to any fight. It allows a small frig gang to keep fighting even against a cruise raven w/ target painters, or an ishtar w/ light/med drones, for example.
Originally by: Raid
im surprised that so many people would rather use artillery on a munin. Yes its made for use with thsoe guns, but just like a tempest it can b very effective with autcannons. pre-rmr I got my munin with 6500 armor with the lowest resistence being 50% expolive to armor. Everything else was well above 60%.
The main argument going around is its no good in solo combat. Well news flash people, not all combat is one on one. Yes its not the greatest 1 on 1 ship but in small engagments it can sit there and take a beating for several minutes. In the mean time you can nos it you can shoot it, but its still going to fire back and believe me, its going to hurt alot.
Anyone who says "it sucks dont buy it" is simlpy not creative enough to find a way to make a low prices HAC work just as good as an the high priced ones.
A muninn with autos is just a ****ty version of a vaga with autos, hence why no one uses an automuninn for pvp. A vaga is a superior auto platform in every possible way. A muninn on the other hand is not only the best, but the ONLY good 720 II platform in the game, whereas a vaga sucks with 720 IIs. Hence why arty = muninn, autos = vaga.
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Lonectzn
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:15:00 -
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I'd fly an arty muninn in a gang. Or NPC'ing. Aside from that I don't see it doing a lot the vaga doesn't do better.
Arty Muninn does insane damage with a 720 II rack, and I just GOTTA see it with t2 ammo (either one, insane range or good damage). Enjoy a 15x damage mod firing every <7s with either 100km optimal or crazy damage =)
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:43:00 -
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@ the killmail
lool 425's on a muninn and heavy launchers...
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
@ the killmail
lool 425's on a muninn and heavy launchers...
my thoughts exactly...
oh well, fortunatly fix have the bpo
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:53:00 -
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425's on a munin work just fine. Problem with this guy is he had no tank. That vexor was stronger than he was, no way he was going to survive a 2 on 1 with that **** tank. If he put a 1600 plate and instead of heavy launchers use assault launchers, he would rip those two up.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
425's on a munin work just fine. Problem with this guy is he had no tank. That vexor was stronger than he was, no way he was going to survive a 2 on 1 with that **** tank. If he put a 1600 plate and instead of heavy launchers use assault launchers, he would rip those two up.
425mm autos on anything suck. well, it's not that they suck, it's more that 220mms do exactly the same damage over time for far lower fitting reqs and better tracking.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
425mm autos on anything suck. well, it's not that they suck, it's more that 220mms do exactly the same damage over time for far lower fitting reqs and better tracking.
Munin = tracking bonus. IIRC, 425's also do about 5% more DoT than 220's, so, because of the tracking bonus, 425's are actually *useful* on the munin.
-Wrayeth
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Sarmaul
425mm autos on anything suck. well, it's not that they suck, it's more that 220mms do exactly the same damage over time for far lower fitting reqs and better tracking.
Munin = tracking bonus. IIRC, 425's also do about 5% more DoT than 220's, so, because of the tracking bonus, 425's are actually *useful* on the munin.
5% damage you say?
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Sarmaul
425mm autos on anything suck. well, it's not that they suck, it's more that 220mms do exactly the same damage over time for far lower fitting reqs and better tracking.
Munin = tracking bonus. IIRC, 425's also do about 5% more DoT than 220's, so, because of the tracking bonus, 425's are actually *useful* on the munin.
5% damage you say?
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Lame.
Well, I knew there was a reason I put that "IIRC" disclaimer in before I posted.
-Wrayeth
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Sarmaul
425mm autos on anything suck. well, it's not that they suck, it's more that 220mms do exactly the same damage over time for far lower fitting reqs and better tracking.
Munin = tracking bonus. IIRC, 425's also do about 5% more DoT than 220's, so, because of the tracking bonus, 425's are actually *useful* on the munin.
5% damage you say?
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Lame.
Well, I knew there was a reason I put that "IIRC" disclaimer in before I posted.
well, you're partially right :). 425mm autos do more damage, but also have to reload twice as often as 220mms. As the graph takes this into account, they come out doing the exact same dot.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.01.11 02:10:00 -
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425's need a slower ROF and more damage, if you use 3 gyros they fire almost as fast as 220's and have to reload way to much, and since they are harder to fit I never use them.
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Posted - 2006.01.11 03:02:00 -
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Hehehe Minmatar are funny =D
Notice a pattern =)
200mm, 425mm, 800mm all owned by smaller sibling,
250mm, 650mm, 1200mm all owned by big brother.
Cheers CCP, at least when messed up, it is beautifully so =)
(not complaining - I love minnie)
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Posted - 2006.01.11 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 11/01/2006 03:35:23
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Sarmaul
425mm autos on anything suck. well, it's not that they suck, it's more that 220mms do exactly the same damage over time for far lower fitting reqs and better tracking.
Munin = tracking bonus. IIRC, 425's also do about 5% more DoT than 220's, so, because of the tracking bonus, 425's are actually *useful* on the munin.
5% damage you say?
There is a 5% increase in the 425s over the 220s. I believe that chart is considering reload time. Thtas not too much of a factor. Still, thats a lot of MW for 5%, a gyro can do MUCH better for MUCH less.
I do fly an automunnin. Its got more armor and more MW than vagabond so it armor tanks better. Its a bit slower, but I'm not in much of a rush. The farther away you start the more you might prefer the Vagabond.
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Posted - 2006.01.11 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Imhotep Khem
Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 11/01/2006 03:35:23
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Sarmaul
425mm autos on anything suck. well, it's not that they suck, it's more that 220mms do exactly the same damage over time for far lower fitting reqs and better tracking.
Munin = tracking bonus. IIRC, 425's also do about 5% more DoT than 220's, so, because of the tracking bonus, 425's are actually *useful* on the munin.
5% damage you say?
There is a 5% increase in the 425s over the 220s. I believe that chart is considering reload time. Thtas not too much of a factor. Still, thats a lot of MW for 5%, a gyro can do MUCH better for MUCH less.
I do fly an automunnin. Its got more armor and more MW than vagabond so it armor tanks better. Its a bit slower, but I'm not in much of a rush. The farther away you start the more you might prefer the Vagabond.
Um, LOL @ this post. Reloading isnt a factor? It is if you plan on fighting for more than 40-50 seconds. And who cares that a muninn "armor tanks better" than a vaga? Who in their right mind armor tanks a vaga anyways? Automuninn vs autovaga, autovaga wins hands down.
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Lonectzn
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:57:00 -
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Actually 1vs1 vaga vs muninn I would go with the muninn (lol, best use for the muninn =D). Vaga can choose range, but Muninn likes the same + has better tracking (orbiting wouldn't help the vaga). Muninn would just shield tank and gyro lows, wtfpwn the vaga (though vaga could easily get away).
Little off topic, I know that's not what you meant, but I thought it was funny =)
And I think he meant that 5% is not much of a factor, not that reloading isn't much of a factor. Maybe I'm reading it wrong though.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:28:00 -
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That chart was extrapolated out to some enormous amount of time such that the reloading is practically part of the ROF. That is innacurate. 220 wont catch up to the 425 DOT with a single reload.
How is a Vagabond supposed to survive shield tanking without any shield bonus? Shields have never been as efficient as Armor. Sure with the extra mid I'd probably think about shield tank. Then slap a few extra Gyros in low. but still.
Its faster, lighter, and has smaller sig but it gives up HP and damage. Does that win you a fight? It certainly wont beat a Muninn. Perhaps there is some angle I am not considering?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Imhotep Khem
That chart was extrapolated out to some enormous amount of time such that the reloading is practically part of the ROF. That is innacurate. 220 wont catch up to the 425 DOT with a single reload.
How is a Vagabond supposed to survive shield tanking without any shield bonus? Shields have never been as efficient as Armor. Sure with the extra mid I'd probably think about shield tank. Then slap a few extra Gyros in low. but still.
Its faster, lighter, and has smaller sig but it gives up HP and damage. Does that win you a fight? It certainly wont beat a Muninn. Perhaps there is some angle I am not considering?
The vagabond can sit outside the muninn's range and still hit it due to the falloff bonus.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Imhotep Khem
That chart was extrapolated out to some enormous amount of time such that the reloading is practically part of the ROF. That is innacurate. 220 wont catch up to the 425 DOT with a single reload.
How is a Vagabond supposed to survive shield tanking without any shield bonus? Shields have never been as efficient as Armor. Sure with the extra mid I'd probably think about shield tank. Then slap a few extra Gyros in low. but still.
Its faster, lighter, and has smaller sig but it gives up HP and damage. Does that win you a fight? It certainly wont beat a Muninn. Perhaps there is some angle I am not considering?
The vagabond can sit outside the muninn's range and still hit it due to the falloff bonus.
pwnd tbh
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 11/01/2006 20:51:20
Originally by: Sarmaul
The vagabond can sit outside the muninn's range and still hit it due to the falloff bonus.
There is no drop dead range on guns, its gradual. With 220 vaga could sit where? 13800 which is optimal + falloff, but Muninn optimal + falloff is 10700, and muninn has extra gun and tracking bonus, both things which will increase damage. (Edit: at that range tracking probably wont matter) Muninn has more HP and resist for its type of tanking than vaga has for its, and it has more efficient HP repair and more cap to boot.
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