For all the weasel words we're left with a rule that by the plain meaning of the words bans most nefarious acts in Eve. Well except for isk doublers in Jita, thank god they were spared.

Why make a new post to say exactly the same thing as the last GM post and not even try to address the concerns raised? Just say "htfu" and be done with it.

You mean like how one year they make an april fools joke out of how ******** the idea of gear score is http://www.wowwiki.com/Equipment_Potency_EquivalencE_Number

Then proceed to not only include it in game as an attribute on the character sheet, but actually use it as a content entry restriction feature.

I can see why they decline - Trying to get specific absent real-world cases means they expose themselves to endless nit-picking and lawyering.

Which you KNOW we'd do.
Which I'd still like to have a chance to take a crack at - if only to define the edges of what's permissible or not.

Tera Online does this.

Equipment Level or something

Why make a new post to say exactly the same thing as the last GM post and not even try to address the concerns raised? Just say "htfu" and be done with it.

For all the weasel words we're left with a rule that by the plain meaning of the words bans most nefarious acts in Eve. Well except for isk doublers in Jita, thank god they were spared.

Yeah I gotta say I'm really not impressed with this response. There was no real follow-through here: a boilerplate statement, and then a statement that "well we can't answer any questions".

I'm pretty much left with the impression this was solely a delaying tactic and GM Grimmi is neither reading nor responding to any of the concerns.

I liked E-PEEN better

Do you guys not realize what you have? You have a real point of difference from other MMO's and it looks like your trying to throw that away. I once talked someone to coming to a gate to help me out, I lied and cheated this guy into getting into a position that we could kill his ship. It was great, afterwards we all had a good laugh at it including the guy that was ganked (yes seriously) he called me a mupper - fair point too. These days apparently he could petition my actions and possibly get me banned.

Fantastic.

We cannot go into specifics as each report is different and this will just end up leading into a circular argument of GÇ£ifsGÇ¥ and GÇ£butsGÇ¥. We will say that impersonation cases are handled on a case by case basis by experienced GMs and there is no change in how such cases will be handled from now from how they were handled a year ago.

"Clarification" removed for brevity.

DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you.

Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is.
EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.

Until now. Now the GMs will do all the hard-work of investigation for you.

Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay.

Greetings pilots,


One concern is that we have pretty much banned all scams in EVE. Clearly, this is not the case.

Honestly it is not clear at all. To suggest otherwise is to be willfully ignorant of player concerns. The new TOS can be interpreted so widely that players are rightfully confused and frustrated. The tools exist in game and out (API key) to check the validity of someones claim to represent a particular group or person. It seems a shame you don't trust the tools you provide. Fix the tools, don't throw a wide reaching amendment into the TOS.

Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay.

Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay.

Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay.

Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay.

Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay.

Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay.

Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay.

Hey everyone. It's evening here in Reykjav+¡k, our senior staff are presumably at home with their families and it may take until tomorrow to get this all cleared up in an official manner.

I can assure you that this is intended in the best way, as clarification of policy that's been in effect for a long time so I hope we have your patience until office hours tomorrow. Nothing bad will happen in the meantime.

If it turns out that this change to the wording is actually too far reaching, goes against its intended purpose, or is somehow confusing things rather than clarifying them, that will be taken care of...trust me. If it turns out to make sense despite the worries you guys have, proper explanations will be provided.

I want to give the people responsible for drafting the policy a chance to read your posts and address the matter. Agreed?