Never not shoot messengers.

Players are still confused why that should not be acceptable if the mark is foolish enough.


I have a chance! And it's fat!

Can't hurt. What are they going to do, ban us all?

I can do that! I think I also have some I-9's available too!

No, no. He's right. Shooting them is no good. You tar and feather them and send them back as a message.

i'll be honest i haven't massively been following this thread; does the ToS agree with the GMs posts yet?

nope now we have, "case by case basis" instead. so gm's can say screw what the tos says and do what they want.

They are still having "internal discussions" about it.

I think CSM could be a much better flameshield for CCP.

As it is, they're adding fuel to the blaze

So we should just not discuss it at all and trust the CSM to read our minds? I wasn't aware that using a forum intended for discussion about the game to discuss the game was "ineffective rioting". Last I heard, rioting worked pretty well to reverse the Incarna trainwreck!

Brushing us off with "okay we're gonna yap with CCP about this and release a crappy devblog 2 months from now that doesn't actually address anything" sucks.

nope now we have, "case by case basis" instead. so gm's can say screw what the tos says and do what they want.

I have some problem on seeing how you could say anything to defend this change without the words function as fuel.

contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done.

Productive posting is fine and great. I use it as a CSM member to distill into better feedback; you're right that I don't read any minds. I also receive substantial assistance in representation via private messages such as evemails. I do also *play* the game, and have been both perpetrator and victim of the types of scams covered under this update. The bit about rioting in this thread was to attempt to dissuade people from making 100x posts saying "this is bad ccp sux see the csm agrees"; contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done.

I was unaware that posting acknowledging concerns and promising to use the tools at my disposal to work to resolve them constituted a "brush-off". I meant what I said when I said that I'd seen a lot of good come out of the CSM process, more than just "a devblog once in a while". The fact that we work primarily under NDA and outside of the public eye can make it hard to see, especially when our efforts avert a crisis instead of responding to one.

How do you get into the CSM while evidently living under a rock?

Productive posting is fine and great. I use it as a CSM member to distill into better feedback; you're right that I don't read any minds. I also receive substantial assistance in representation via private messages such as evemails. I do also *play* the game, and have been both perpetrator and victim of the types of scams covered under this update. The bit about rioting in this thread was to attempt to dissuade people from making 100x posts saying "this is bad ccp sux see the csm agrees"; contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done.

Also my previous point still stands: Ali Aras, you are really, really bad at PR. Please stop.

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contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done.

This is not meant as an insult. No one is born a PR wizard. It is a complex skill that requires a lot of effort to master.

You do not have this skill. You have none of it. Ali Aras, please put that keyboard down this can only end in tears

No, by all means, continue.

If ccp and their wannabes learn to just leave things until players forget we'd have all sorts of trouble

i don't know what i was expecting, really.

Productive posting is fine and great. I use it as a CSM member to distill into better feedback; you're right that I don't read any minds. I also receive substantial assistance in representation via private messages such as evemails. I do also *play* the game, and have been both perpetrator and victim of the types of scams covered under this update. The bit about rioting in this thread was to attempt to dissuade people from making 100x posts saying "this is bad ccp sux see the csm agrees"; contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done.

I was unaware that posting acknowledging concerns and promising to use the tools at my disposal to work to resolve them constituted a "brush-off". I meant what I said when I said that I'd seen a lot of good come out of the CSM process, more than just "a devblog once in a while". The fact that we work primarily under NDA and outside of the public eye can make it hard to see, especially when our efforts avert a crisis instead of responding to one.

Half of me wants him to stop. And half of me can't stop laughing.

Can the current CSM members be banned for impersonating effective representatives?