contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done.

The section of the TOS governing character names has a rule for this already.

That feel when you get banned with an alt because you said your main was your main and scammed someone with the alt.

I was merely trying to establish what caused the change in the first place - that they felt the need to alter the ToS implies that they feel the naming conventions aren't sufficient to lessen their petition queue

Hi can i get a loan from someone? My main character is Mordeth Aridhol please message me on there to get your money back.

I was merely trying to establish what caused the change in the first place - that they felt the need to alter the ToS implies that they feel the naming conventions aren't sufficient to lessen their petition queue

Also, under the new ToS wording, Goonswarm could probably petition to have the karttoon fiasco reversed (thus regaining the old corp, alliance and potentially assets) as he was impersonating the role of goonfleet ceo with a malicious intent, no?

Seriously though, this needs to be addressed properly by a dev of high rank in the company, if not Hilmar at this point because, frankly, if people haven't shut up about it yet, the jita monument is probably going to get shot because of inaction on ccp's part.
While, I appreciate Ali trying to help, it's doing quite the opposite because it's nothing official, and is only fueling the outrage caused by the lack of transparency on the part of GMs and the utter lack of communication on part of the devs.

On the contrary, the new explanation (the one by GM Karidor) lays out the reasoning behind the TOS change and quotes the other policy that the TOS is being brought into line with. It's pretty clear to me now what CCP's views on impersonation are; while the specifics of any particular scheme are a bit fuzzy, I'm content with knowing that as long as I'm not doing something blatantly out there, I won't get instabant.

The clarification by GM Karidor sums up quite well everything the CSM has heard in internal conversations. Given the clarification, it's now clear that the TOS change is consistent with previous policy, and confusion about that stems from people's (mis)understanding of previous enforcement. After all, it's easy to go from "recruitment scamming for GSF as a Goon is okay" to "recruitment scamming for GSF as a TEST pilot is okay" without feeling like you've made a leap of logic. This is the stated reason behind the update-- players were confused.

With all that said, this thread has made clear that there remains some unhappiness with the policy as written and intended by CCP. This unhappiness has been noted by the CSM, and we can and will follow up on the policy itself. However, that process is a longer one that will take place internally; rioting in this thread is unlikely to be effective. Given the way the CSM process has worked so far and the success we've had in other conversations, I look forward to future productive discussions with CCP, and hope to be able to share results of those in the future.

What needs to be kept in mind regarding impersonations is that all characters involved are seen as their own, independent entity, which effectively means it's quite possible that a situation may appear where a player impersonates his trustworthy main character using an alt character located on the same account. As there is no in-game way to verify whether or not certain characters are located on the same account (the API needs the key and external tools to be read properly, so that one doesn't count here), this case would be handled the very same way as the impersonator character being owned by another player.

Oh and since im posting with an alt. And not taking the time to log in my main dabigredboat, does this mean ill get banned for posting as dabigredboat since I am too lazy to swap accounts?

contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done.

Does this mean that I, and my alts, can petition Goons for impersonating a group that's good/bad at Eve?
Can I also petition a certain poster, who like the idea of arenas, for impersonating somebody who has a clue?

As I said just after the final GM clarification of the clarification of the clarification of the totally not changed ToS, this smacks of Wowification.

The statues in Jita and Amarr are looking good, they may well get some GÖÑ laser love GÖÑ if CCP don't sort this godawful mess out.

Maybe, just maybe, have a competent lawyer look over your TOS as well...you know you can't just put everything in there that you think is beneficial for you. Because the TOS is, like people said, a legal document. You certainly don't want one of the banhammered people have your TOS torn apart by a court of law.

Would the real DBRB please bark bark bark

We're at 31 pages, can we get a new expanded "clarification" in a new thread and lock this one, tia

I'm an alt of RubyPorto.

What needs to be kept in mind regarding impersonations is that all characters involved are seen as their own, independent entity, which effectively means it's quite possible that a situation may appear where a player impersonates his trustworthy main character using an alt character located on the same account. As there is no in-game way to verify whether or not certain characters are located on the same account (the API needs the key and external tools to be read properly, so that one doesn't count here), this case would be handled the very same way as the impersonator character being owned by another player.

Does anyone have a written example of CCP saying it was allright for a member of corp X to say he is a representant/member of corp Y and scam someone over joining corp corp Y? If not, then we can't say they endorsed it before. THis is where we lack most power. Most ruling if not all are case slosed for CCP and people are not allowed to discus them.

She is, but...

Uh-Oh...




Dang, and Pipa was a useful character, too.

Confirming I am the only one true scammer in Eve. I will petition the rest who claim to be a scammer. (I will accept isk payments of 250mil as an "entry fee" into my "ingame group").