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Caytii
The Waterworks
2
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:15:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Weaselior wrote:"you insufficiently proved you were an alt of yourself and you are now banned. as you are a bad, TOS breaking person, we banned all of your accounts including your main that you were impersonating" I know it's stupid but thats the only way I can see to be safe in doing buisness. Their policies it to not hunt down people and this is not said to have changed so as long as you are not reported, you will be ok. If you get reported, then having proved who you were will be important. And how is this supposed to be done if we go with CCP's example of both characters being on the same account?
If a goon scammer claims to be The Mittani's alt then the real Mittani will generally be happy to confirm that claim via evemail (and gets a cut of the scam's proceeds in return). |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3482
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:15:00 -
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Seras VictoriaX wrote:Yeah, I tend to agree. Can we get someone more senior in CCP to chime in here? This has descended into bizzaro land at this point.
Agreed. Paging CCP Saul Goodman. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Orakkus
Winds of Dawn Kraken.
148
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:15:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I think they've clarified that you scammers, yes you badguy scammers, are screwed.
Yes, how dare Eve have Scammers. And how dare Eve open up morale options in a sandbox game. And how dare there be penalties for being naive, lazy, or ignorant. And how dare I look good because of the morale choices available to me, those should be banned too.
And let's ban options now as well.
Holy cow, you put a 100MN AB on your Tengu, that was never intended, therefore we're going to ban that too, cuz it misrepresents the Tengu's abilities.
You put Lazors on your Rifter? How dare you! You are banned also for misrepresenting the Minmatar race.
Role-playing an escaped Minmatar slave? How dare you represent a slave when you are an aging, bald white American who lives with his parents! Ban for you as well! |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
1368
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:16:00 -
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Soon, we'll be able to petition when someone steals our guild bank to have it refunded and get them banned.
Dirty scammers. Ban them all! Dual Pane idea: Click!
CCP Please Implement |
greiton starfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:16:00 -
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I don't care what the GM's say. impersonation and lying have been the cornerstone of all the major player driven content in the last 2 years i've been playing. im not even talking about just the big nulsec stuff. when i was a highsec pubbie fighting in 15-20 man wars, misrepresentation and impersonation played a part on all sides of the fights. I know It wasn't against the rules because we petitioned at least one nasty case and were told so by the gm's.
This is a sweeping change with many unforeseen consequences as everybody continues to tell you. If you intend to follow the letter of the law the majority of scams, spying, and even many honest practices can be found in violation of the rule. if you do not follow the rules to the letter why the f*** even write them or clarify them like this. calling it a grey area and refusing to draw the line opens you up to problems of favoritism by gm's, players being upset by unequal punishment for the same crimes, and players not knowing what's allowed and what is not.
In the past players understood the rules to be
no player may impersonate a member of ccp in any way shape or form. players, corps, and alliances may not name themselves after trademarked entities, to avoid legal disputes despite the fact that the trademark does not extend to an in game player made entity. lying and scamming other players is allowed and encouraged. having to think for yourself and know what is going on is part of eve and all players are expected to investigate deals using in game tools. |
Capqu
Love Squad
231
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:16:00 -
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hi im chribba's alt open for 3rd party services http://pizza.eve-kill.net |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
893
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:17:00 -
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Frank sends his regards. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4487
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:18:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I think they've clarified that you scammers, yes you badguy scammers, are screwed. Yes, how dare Eve have Scammers. And how dare Eve open up morale options in a sandbox game. And how dare there be penalties for being naive, lazy, or ignorant. And how dare I look good because of the morale choices available to me, those should be banned too. And let's ban options now as well. Holy cow, you put a 100MN AB on your Tengu, that was never intended, therefore we're going to ban that too, cuz it misrepresents the Tengu's abilities. You put Lazors on your Rifter? How dare you! You are banned also for misrepresenting the Minmatar race. Role-playing an escaped Minmatar slave? How dare you represent a slave when you are an aging, bald white American who lives with his parents! Ban for you as well! Yeah, screw all the people !
Can't roleplay as a New Order person either because apparently they don't exist. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition
484
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:18:00 -
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HEY GUYS! I JUST IMPERSONATED MY ALT AND TRADED MY MAIN SAYING I WAS GOING TO TRANSPORT SOME LOOT TO JITA FOR MYSELF...
I MADE THE FOOLISH MISTAKE OF BELIEVING MYSELF AND NOW I HAVE ALL MY PHAT LOOT INSTEAD OF ME :'(
should I have used a courier contract? I'm pretty pissed off with myself for scamming me, I think myself should be banned but I don't believe I should be.
How do I legal? |
Capqu
Love Squad
231
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:18:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk wrote:Frank sends his regards.
plz dont impersonate frank again or i'll have to report you http://pizza.eve-kill.net |
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
278
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:20:00 -
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Bad decision CCP, letting GMs interpret policy like this. What happened to playing the villain, being a spy, pirate or thief?
I can't believe that you would wittingly remove these roles from the game. So why would you let a GM say as much? How about we hear from the actual game developers about their vision for the game and whether they truly intend to completely change the fundamental principles of eve 10 years in. Why do you think there is such a huge response to this?
Insanity like this, I really did not expect from a company that saw the incarna debacle. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:21:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Second time's the charm.
Third time, right? Expect to be here a while... CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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baltec1
Bat Country
7952
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:21:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:My take on this "clarification" - people that have been scammed/AWOX'd over the years have not been filing enough petitions!! What we have all believed to be valid EVE sandbox play has been in violation the whole time. We conned ourselves. lol This might be partially true. Did anyone from CCP ever provide a clear text saying scamming was legal or was it always the player refering to past case of not getting banned saying it's legal because X, Y and Z pulled it off before?
The put out a trailer where the guy scammed his way into an alliance and stole everything.
CCP have also congratulated people for scamming heaps of stuff. Scamming is one of the cornerstones of this game and has been for the entire time its been live. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1050
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:23:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Second time's the charm. Third time, right? Expect to be here a while...
HA! I had forgotten about that post.
Well-played, my good man (not that I am suggesting that you are misprepresenting yourself as a spacewoman when you are, in fact, an earthman at a computer). Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
475
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:26:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Orakkus wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I think they've clarified that you scammers, yes you badguy scammers, are screwed. Yes, how dare Eve have Scammers. And how dare Eve open up morale options in a sandbox game. And how dare there be penalties for being naive, lazy, or ignorant. And how dare I look good because of the morale choices available to me, those should be banned too. And let's ban options now as well. Holy cow, you put a 100MN AB on your Tengu, that was never intended, therefore we're going to ban that too, cuz it misrepresents the Tengu's abilities. You put Lazors on your Rifter? How dare you! You are banned also for misrepresenting the Minmatar race. Role-playing an escaped Minmatar slave? How dare you represent a slave when you are an aging, bald white American who lives with his parents! Ban for you as well! Yeah, screw all the people ! Can't roleplay as a New Order person either because apparently they don't exist.
At least you wouldn't be banned for impersonating one! "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
747
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:26:00 -
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An Anonymous commenter on Poetic Stanziel's blog claimed that there was no problem, because the impersonation only extends to in-game characters and things. So if I apply to Valkyries of Might claiming to be best buds with Ali Aras in RL, that would apparently fly... well, according to someone unwilling to put a name to his words on an unofficial blog, anyway.
Dersen did always want to be a Valkyrie. Hawt! Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16400
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:26:00 -
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That has to be the most fucktarded rule I have ever seen in gamingGǪ and I've played EA games.
But ok, if you're going to go with the boneheaded idea that claiming to be yourself is a bannable offence (and yes you really are doing this so trying to dodge it will only make us laugh at your inability to understand what you've written), can you at least make sure to make the rule double-sided: make it so that lying about who other people are is also a ban-worthy offence under the same rule. After all, they, too, are misrepresenting who's behind a character. Surely, this must be against the same rule by the same standard? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
893
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:27:00 -
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Y'all can blame this sh*tstorm on me. About a month ago I decced a corp and sent their CEO the following:
Quote:Mr Shadowlord,
Good evening. ETCA is a CONCORD-approved tax collection agency operating on behalf of and all over the four major empires.
The Caldari State has found your corporation guilty of tax evasion in connection with the illicit acquisition of salvage. In particular, residents of the Motsu area have filed several complaints against your former corporation member Zloy Salvager in that regard.
State and Region Bank launched a full investigation and found that Mr Salvager was in fact acting on your behalf. The Chief Executive Panel has tasked me with the recovery of lost tax revenue in the amount of ISK 500,000,000.00 (500 million) through any means necessary.
To avoid further embarrasment I suggest you pay the above mentioned amount as soon as possible to me, Ifly Uwalk. This will cause an immediate end of hostilities.
Awaiting your positive reply,
Kind regards,
Ify Uwalk I thought I was engaging in some mild RP, I swear!
Two days ago, exactly (to the minute!) 4 hours before the new ToS was announced I got an "Official Contact from CCP Customer Support" asking me politely not to claim to represent CONCORD. A second communication then told me not to claim to represent the SRB or CEP either as that could be against the EULA/TOS.
Sorry guys! Won't happen again, honest.
o7
P.S.: Didn't get banned, or even warned. Just "politely asked" to not do it again. P.P.S.: The "RP" bit got deleted from "MMORPG," RIP. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:27:00 -
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This is why GMs should enforce policy and not make policy. |
Luther Chuggs
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:28:00 -
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Caytii wrote:If a goon scammer claims to be The Mittani's alt then the real Mittani will generally be happy to confirm that claim via evemail (and gets a cut of the scam's proceeds in return).
This implies that two things are true:
1.) The Mittani has the time, energy, and desire to read and respond to every Eve Mail he's sent from Random Pubbie Citizen 284593 about some paltry change that was scammed out of them by one of the 10,500 members of GSF, and
2.) That The Mittani isn't already a Space Romney for whom 250m ISK is a pittance.
However, in the reality in which we currently reside, these two things could not be farther from the truth, and if you believe them then you're A Pretty Dumb Person. |
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
254
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:29:00 -
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GM's are evil! Now you know that too, I knew it from the tales of my fellow roleplayers, there were anegdotes about people making bad things if you give them powers that they are not intended to possess.... New CQ prototype |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4487
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:30:00 -
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Rhes wrote:This is why GMs should enforce policy and not make policy. But I thought they said early on the policy never changed.
Did they... LIE TO US?! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1668
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:30:00 -
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i'm blawrf mctaggart |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1668
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:30:00 -
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or am i |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1668
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:30:00 -
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please don't ban me |
Kojaxe LeAppljaxe
Pilipino Corp Circle-Of-Two
1
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:30:00 -
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Whoever that GM was should be fired. |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition
484
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:32:00 -
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simply BEING logged in on a different character (not even a different account) would be bannable...
Having different characters on a single account is a game mechanic...
ergo... YOU'RE MAKING A GAME MECHANIC BANNABLE!!
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition
484
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:32:00 -
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I have paranoid Schizophrenia...
Please don't ban me :3 |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
343
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:34:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk wrote:Y'all can blame this sh*tstorm on me. About a month ago I decced a corp and sent their CEO the following: [clip] I thought I was engaging in some mild RP, I swear!
Two days ago, exactly (to the minute!) 4 hours before the new ToS was announced I got an "Official Contact from CCP Customer Support" asking me politely not to claim to represent CONCORD. A second communication then told me not to claim to represent the SRB or CEP either as that could be against the EULA/TOS.
Sorry guys! Won't happen again, honest.
o7
P.S.: Didn't get banned, or even warned. Just "politely asked" to not do it again. P.P.S.: The "RP" bit got deleted from "MMORPG," RIP.
This is a really good scam. And nobody should fall for it. He's not saying he's CONCORD or anything. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
639
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:34:00 -
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Does this mean I can get banned for impersonating Blawrf McTaggart's fursona "Sexy Arctic Wolfie" |
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