It's 4.


Ofc. Your views are noted and have been waxed lyrically on by a few with the same moronic mentality.

"Combat ship approaching" and "Align to station" are two such moronic points of contention.

As I have said countless times, you are asking me to believe that EVERY SINGLE MINER of the 1500+ taken out by Goons in the ice interdiction alone were stupid and had no idea at all how to play. NONE of them?

Ofc. Your views are noted and have been waxed lyrically on by a few with the same moronic mentality.

"Combat ship approaching" and "Align to station" are two such moronic points of contention.

As I have said countless times, you are asking me to believe that EVERY SINGLE MINER of the 1500+ taken out by Goons in the ice interdiction alone were stupid and had no idea at all how to play. NONE of them?

Actually, if you read the chat logs posted to our internal boards and some of the eve mails that have posted, you'd be inclined to agree that a great many of those lost barges were flown by people that had no idea they could even be shot at in High Sec.

He's not joking about this. When the interdiction started I used to get daily threats from pubbies about reporting me for shooting them in high sec.

Any miner with his brain turned on will see a threat coming a mile away and gtfo.

And I'm not arguing this either. I ran a litle experiment yesterday that went like this.

I started an alt. Undocked, took a shot at some dude, get my little yellow tag for "aesthetic purposes".

I then went out to some random belt with 0.6, and orbited 2 Hulks and an Orca sitting less than 2k apart. I even locked and scanned and made every pretense that I was a warp-in point. They didn't move. 1 or 2 smartied BS's would have done some serious pain.

With one other mining gang, I did exactly the same thing, they warped off but they would have been dead long before they got to warp speed.

My point is that a lot of people are 1) arrogant or ignorant enough to think they can't be killed or 2) simply have no idea.

I'm not about to make excuses for arrogance but I'm adamant that we need to be providing ways to be more tolerant of ignorance. Noobs DON'T get Eve until they are dead in their 200m Hulks. Then they may just as well quit.

If ganking activity escalates to a prolonged and sustained campaign, the ramification of potential unsubs and/or a direct intervention by CCP MAY well occur.

THIS worries me more than wasting my time trying to bash you for defending a quaint idealogy. Some people just don't get Eve and we need to be making a place or a process to give them time to adjust to the realities, if the status quo should remain.

Calling this for the bullshit it is. And if you were'nt such a new char to eve-O you'd know that this has been repeatedly refuted with several examples.

Even the BEST and SMARTEST miner can be ganked. The only variables needed are TIME and QUANTITY.

My point is that a lot of people are 1) arrogant or ignorant enough to think they can't be killed or 2) simply have no idea.

I'm not about to make excuses for arrogance but I'm adamant that we need to be providing ways to be more tolerant of ignorance. Noobs DON'T get Eve until they are dead in their 200m Hulks. Then they may just as well quit.

PS: For those pointing out that being in a station is 100% safe, I got a question: Have you tried to scam someone through a trade or contract? Have you dealt with 0.01ISK games? Have you seen your corp assets get stolen by a corp thief?

So since im such a clueless noob and all my arguments are bullshit why dont you enlighten me?


So every profession in EVE should have risk involved except mining? Is that what you are saying?
Missioners can loose ships to if scrambled by a rat or some other mishap.
Should missions ships be invulnerable so they dont risk loosing them and start mass unsubs?

Those who miners and missioners who wish to be left alone.

What?!!?!?!

tl;dr (Inane subject line)

Honestly, the best advise I could give to someone that wants to mine and be safe... join a decent nullsec alliance and move out of empire. I've mined (I'm not afraid to admit it) in High, Low and Nullsec and mining in Nullsec was probably the safest I've been when it came to mining. The best belts need to be scanned down, which means the reds and neutrals need probes to find you and that gives you extra time to warp to a POS and safe up before they find you and make veldspar dust out of you.

As perverse as it is for me to agree with a Goon this is perfectly true and may well prove to a consequence of continued highssec ganking. Better the known enemy.

But it may cause issues for Eve as a whole because to mine for Alliance X and sell to Alliance Y could well be seen as treason.

There may be alliance embargoes about selling rocks on the open market, in addition to alliances themselves putting the squeeze on miners profits through ridiculous refining percentages.

This will become a very serious inflation issue if the rumour about Drone mineral drops are also true.

risk vs reward poor miners blah blah etc stuff

Probably the best Goon poster.

And Apostle is pretty cool, he kills rocks & doesn't afraid of anything.

And are you still arguing about semantics?

Poor miners? How are they poor? Cut the crap man seriously.
And 3m/h might apply for starter characters that are a couple week old. Miners sit on their fat asses doing nothing and earn isk while watching a movie, reading a book or whatever they do. And just by paying just a tiny bit of attention they dont risk anything.
Rewards in highsec are already to high vs risk. Highsec should be nerfed not buffed.

But as many have said, yes doing minor changes to, for example insurance (cutting it in half if you are killed by Concord), is something that most players can accept.
Making miners immune to game mechanics is not something people will accept.
Deal with it, accept it, adapt or move on to another game. Period.

Then the only thing we can agree on is that we disagree. If you seriously believe that ganking is so easily avoided then anything I have to say is void. The statistics speak for themselves.

Yes they do.

The vast bulk of miners will never be suicide ganked.

Then the only thing we can agree on is that we disagree. If you seriously believe that ganking is so easily avoided then anything I have to say is void. The statistics speak for themselves.


PS: I must admit I chuckle at "he" shouldn't be allowed to do what he wants when one of the potential solutions is about preventing "you" from doing what "you" want. I don;t know if you have the intelligence to see the irony.

Thus, another reason why I left Majesta Empire.

Anyone who seriously mines in highsec deserves to be ganked. As a miner you could easily get accepted into any renter alliance or nullsec alliance that has a Indy Corp. You could then site in hidden belts mining ABC ore making 10x what you do in highsec. Most corporations will buy your ore close to Jita price and even if it is lower its still more then you make in highsec. Added to the fact that you are surrounded by intel channels and have a clear idea of who is hostile or not. Lastly as a miner you generally aren't really expected to do much other then maybe a mining Op 1-2 times a week.

As I said in another thread, the miners and mission runners that you despise so much make up the majority of the players, so your 'HTFU or GTFO' comment is a little naive, as you'd soon get very bored with noone to shoot and a game that is no longer financially viable to develop any further. Ironically, this means that the gankers are parasites, living off the efforts of their hosts. A perfectly acceptable game mechanic, but please don't cry when CCP try not to let you kill their game by driving the majority of the players away.

The 'hard core' players don't get the 'game' concept as much as the PvE players don't get the 'gank' concept. The hard core players are either trying to win at a MMO (well, DUH!) or trying to make RL money out of it, whilst everyone else is just playing a game:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming

Feel free to back up your claim that the majority of EVE-¦s players are highsec hugging carebears that only do missions and mining and nothing else.
If you do not have the numbers stfu.