Please enlighten us on your magical ways of making P4's without the use of a POCO

Also citation needed on Concord and POCO's, I understood that to be related to depots not POCOs.

Dude, PI is not only about extraction! You buy the raw material in Jita, then 1 jump later you build P2-3 stuff. And the raw material is cheap just because noobs extract them in hi sec and sell it for nothing in the trade hubs. If you know what are you doing, PI can be much more profitable in hi sec than in low or null. I bet that the next day after the new expansion release, all pocos around the major trade hubs will be taken over by the main null sec alliances and this could seriously impact the whole market, including ship productions.

I regret having re-subscribed and this is my last account to go. Goodbye

Nobody said anything about docking in them, just stash and refit so maybe you will be very vulnerable during refitting like everything disabled even under fire. Which would be funny for probing those structures and just wait under cloak for owner to warp in and spring this trap on himself :)

May I ask for your stuff if you leave and no longer use it? I will put it to good use <3

My main concerns about this POCO business is whether or not a wardec is needed to take them down. The cost of taking them would be to high should they indeed be claimed by a large bloc. I'm not that concerned about 0.0 powers moving in to claim these POCO's as they can't bring their caps obviously, and there are lots of small lowsec alliances owning POCO's in the space they live in. If that model can be extended to hisec: all power to that. The balancing factor is that it 0.0 usually has something better to do then save a couple of lowsec POCO's from local bandits, so why should hisec be any different?

Now you're just trolling.

You missed my point.

Anchor it off the Jita 4-4 undock.

Undock in a deadspace fit battleship. Do your station game thing. Can't break the guy's tank? Refit to neuts, kill his cap, put the guns back on. He's shooting a specific damage type? Swap a hardener. About to die anyway and can't dock? Store the deadspace mods in the depot to deny the drop. (you can already do this with an Orca alt mind you)

Of course, you can still get bumped out of range.

A few lines from the Rubicon page:

Imagine capsuleer corporations, rising in power and capabilities, flying their own colors and using their might to build up whole areas of space.


Imagine what could happen if capsuleers truly mastered the science of space travel itself, and were no longer bound to the known universe.


Yet the capsuleers, the immortal pilots of EVE's most powerful spaceships, are becoming a stronger and stronger force of their own. They will not settle with what has been served to them thus far. EVE Online: Rubicon is the first step beyond a point of no return, on a dangerous path to ascension with consequences that neither capsuleers nor players can predict.

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Can u spell "Null Sec". That is what rubicon is the first step towards... u are turning High Sec - into Low and Null Sec - simply put.

Lets take it bit for bit:
Capsuleer Corporations "Rising in power ? - u mean, when the Null sec alliances - with theyre iskies and ships, etc starts taking over High sec.. Bcause - u dont seriously gonna try sell that the little corporation of 20-50 ppl, whom tries to actually build theyre own little space, will be allowed to do that without consulting/asking the larger alliances first do u ?
" Imagine disrupting what someone else built up, through cunning or force. " - yeah.. 10 Capitals will fix any of those issues.

"space travel itself, " - You mean Black Ops's and Bridges ? - why not just write that.. its in NS already.. or are you really gonna try tell us that its gonna be something completly new, and the huge alliances in NS arent gonna control them ? - right.. bcause that is soo gonna happen..

"are becoming a stronger and stronger force of their own. They will not settle with what has been served to them thus far." And we are back to the NS part... alliances already claimed NS.. they want more land, ure giving them it... as for newbie friendly.. can you say "goodbye new players" ? - bcause that is what will happen, once this is done...

Let me tell u what i think will happen...
NS items, like sov, bridges etc will start appear in HS instead of Gates: Through live events, we will see one empire after another either fall, or becoming increasingly limited in size - severly turning space from NPC controlled HS to player controlled NS: (which will NOT benifit anyone besides the NS Alliances)... eventually, HS will be small islands, very small, camped, and surrounded by pirates... we will see that concord, the protector of the newbie "in live events" or whatever other means u can think off, suddenly "vanishes", most places.. they might even be killed off in a live event "sorry ppl, Concord is bad.. they need to go..." - effectivly turning all that we know and love as HS into a NS haven for the Alliances that already control and owns so much - and we the casual - the HS players, will be left at the mercy of whatever mittens, and his "fellow" alliance bosses feels space should be run like.. we already seen how that works in NS - now its coming to HS aswell...

Seriously.. if u really are tired of us players, that seeks the PVE, a more relaxing or different approach then PVP of any sort - why not simply make that statement in a nice CCP blog, and be done with it... and we can take our hats and go..

Some of the stuff coming in Rubicon - is nice.. but once u start reading between the lines - if u cant see that this is a path leading to turning all of EVE into NS.. well..

I can confirm that statement from CCP Fozzie today on EVE TV @ 2000 UTC announcement for Rubicon.

He said very clearly and unambiguously that POCO's will NOT be protected by Concord (paraphrasing)

He'll tell you no, because it's a hollow threat that's been used since 2003; and because of the fact he'll resubscribe once a few expancsions come through and he can actually then see what CCP is doing (that he could not perceive in advance)

I'm also paraphrasing and understood "no concord involvement, at most you will get a suspect flag" to be specifically referring to the four new personal anchorable modules.

Therefore, citation needed.

Required wardec fees for POCO's would do interesting things as a gold sink and the fluctuating cost of that would have interesting impact on the balance of control. But without a required wardec it would be a constant state of "welp, can't do my PI today the POCO got randomly reinforced again".

Refitting during combat??

I'd guess he meant no concord taking out the npc custom offices, but normal wardecs would be necessary to take out POCOs.

I expect it will work just like the fleet hangar and ship maintenance bay on a Carrier/Orca, so yes.

Oh, and the cartels must be adoring the new cyno jammer. First supercap fleet in wins. Counter drops is a thing of the past.
BL and PL must be hating Fozzie.

I too get the feeling that this seems like the start of a move to take the relative pve area of Hi Sec and start turning it into a much more pvp area ala NS LS. As the players begin to own more and more of the game and particularly the big alliances.

If that is so I am afraid of Eve's base of new players shrinking, due to the fact that Pve may become a thing of the past. Many of those initial carebear new comers go on to investigate null, lo and wh pvp playing and enjoy the game in that way. But if they find themselves totally stifled from day one in the game,, to a method of play they may at first reject, perhaps they will never get to the point where they even try the Pvp game and leave because of the losses.

If Eve does continue to take this line, and doesn't take account of upcoming games that are at present in the development stage, they may be giving away new players to these upcoming games. One in particular sticks in my mind, and it is one that Eve has a lot of history with, is Elite: Dangerous which starts beta next spring.

I have for a long time had a love hate relationship with Eve but if it goes the way that I see it indicating from this expansion on, I may just feel that my internet space ship adventure may be served in a different game.

If my fears are realised with the direction Eve looks like it is heading to I shall be sorry to have lost this game that at this time has something for all.

But maybe it won't be harder to kill it than Carrier/Orca? :)

Oh, and the cartels must be adoring the new cyno jammer. First supercap fleet in wins. Counter drops is a thing of the past.
BL and PL must be hating Fozzie.

i agre,this game turning more and more in to a playground for the large alliances and les and les a game for smal corp or singel player,if the next expancion gose the same way then am don whid this game.

but the thrust of Rubicon remains the same: Kill high sec.

Oh, and the cartels must be adoring the new cyno jammer. First supercap fleet in wins. Counter drops is a thing of the past.
BL and PL must be hating Fozzie.

So when are you going to address really important issues like:
- PvE
- production
- sov warfare
- force projection
- POSes