Why did you forget about my blaster Tengu? :(

Because he doesn't want to land on top of my Proteus but my Proteus told me he would like to fit HML's, what do you think?

Then what's the point of having a hybrid subsystem on the Tengu?

Then what's the point of having a hybrid subsystem on the Tengu?

Tech II Ammo

I did some comparison between the tech II ammo types and found that one hybrid ammo type did indeed need some work. I also found that the other turret types had some very underwhelming ammo. Rather than limit myself to only boosting the hybrid ammo, I will also be making some changes to other tech II ammo types. Javelin is quite obviously underpowered. The correlating laser and projectile ammo, Gleam and Quake, are equally underwhelming and they all need some change. Additionally, Hail sticks out as terribly underpowered.

Javelin (all sizes): Removed cap penalty
Javelin, Gleam and Quake (all sizes): Removed tracking speed penalty, added 25% tracking speed bonus
Hail (all sizes): Removed falloff penalty

CCP has a hardon for Minmatar and the "hybrid buff" actually buffs projectiles even more, making them more silly than ever. In the mean time the Gallente issues still aren't solved.

PS; Tornado is also pretty LOL

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3012




Hail is terribly underpowered? Its falloff bonus is removed? Winmatar's effective range is pretty much all falloff. Now they'll do more damage than EMP/Fusion/Phased Plasma with the same range, and +25% tracking....

And the Blasters will still be stuck with void with the same -50% falloff modifier that they just removed from Hail.

Meanwhile, null is stuck with the lowest range boost of any of the T2 range boosting ammo (for the short ranged variant of eahc weapon type).
Gallente still won't be able to catch Winmatar to get within blaster range. If they do, T2 autos will spit out much more DPS due to hail doing much better applied DPS.
Caldari rails will be buffed though, yay for only 2 viable races.
Drakes and Canes may become Drakes, Feroxs and Canes.
Woot!

If you are going to get rid of the falloff penalty to hail, do the same to the penalty to Void, and optimal penalty of gleam.
Give null+50% to falloff, what is this +25% BS?

Also, don't forget caldari...

a 75% tracking penaly does seem excessive

If one has 1.8x the range, than at optimal one needs 1/1.8 = 0.555 x the tracking speed to have the same hit quality as before.

I would like to see the long range T2 ammo for beams, rails, and arty have a 0.56x tracking multiplier instead of a 0.25 multiplier.

Buffing blaster dps through the roof won't solve anything. The problem is simply that the race with the shortest range does NOT have the fastest ships like it should. It's really basic stuff. Armor rigs and plates reducing speed while being pretty much required in PvP certainly don't help either. Further evidence for what I'm saying can be seen on the frigate level: blaster frigates are and were not gimped because they can catch up to their target, furthermore, combat usually takes place within web range.

Also, once upon a time, Autocannons didn't have ridiculous falloff and had to actually get close to webbing range to deal enough damage.

The reason hybrids are failures is because they are actually not close-range / sniper weapons. Yet the devs are trying to make them work in a field they are not designed for.

And they can-¦t change that. Because they have already designed someone for these roles: the Minmatar. and since the Gallente mustn-¦t become like the Minmatar, they can-¦t become a dedicated close-combat/sniper race any more.

Cap-free weapons for combat exclusively within nos/neut range, multiple damage types to decrease the time to kill (thus making up for the increase of the ttk due to getting into range), the fastest and most agile ships to get into range (and shield tanks so you don-¦t need to gimp your speed to get EHP)... this is how a close combat race looks like. And yes, it-¦s 100% Minmatar, they are perfectly adapted for close range combat.

For sniping: sniping is everywhere all about fast and agile units, high alpha and low rate of fire (oh look, it-¦s the Minmatar again) There are reasons for it. You really can-¦t have a reasonable sniping mechanic without these characteristics. This is why sniping is pointless now and why the change to probing were needed when sniping was still a thing.

Meaning of course, you can only have sniping together with Artys and Minmatar. Trying to make rails and Gallente to do sniping is complete nonsense.

So, for close combat and sniping you need the Minmatar, and the Gallente will never be able to do it adequately (ironically they are designed to fit into the combat roles the Minmatar are currently covering... seemingly op, because all the advantages needed to make close combat competitive are married with the most flexible engagement ranges).

This is how the devs have designed the races, their ships, their weapons. It might have been unintentionally, the current state is the result of many many small changes over the years after all, so something like this can happen.
But unintentionally or not, the devs have done it and now there are so many problems with balancing that you can-¦t ignore it any more. And you can-¦t fix it with a little more dps here and tracking there, because you are trying to go against the basic design of the races, trying to force them into roles they are not suited for and prevent them to fill out roles they are suited for.

The reason hybrids are failures is because they are actually not close-range / sniper weapons. Yet the devs are trying to make them work in a field they are not designed for.

Great post. I have been saying this ever since we started discussing crucible hybrid changes. Hybrids and gallente in general are just so full of contradictions.

how about amarr buff?

gallente had fitting issues cause of cpu/pg before expansion,amarr still has it until this day. + gallente ships and hybrids seem overpowered to me right now.