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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5363
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Posted - 2013.10.19 06:14:00 -
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give it three years and there's a 50% chance he will stumble on this thread |

Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:22:00 -
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And why should he reply? Free advertisement for his site 
I still think that the gamers here are overreacting to the 200million bonus for GTC. You could of course say it is a grey area because the 200mill SomerCredits are a "cheap" advertisement which can't be easily reproduced by another alliance forums or Battleclinic (you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK) and that they can converted to 80% ISK. If you and your connection is fast enough 
Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link?  |

Rain6638
Team Evil
1033
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:24:00 -
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the REAL question is: can Markee Dragon be banned for RMT if he buys GTCs from himself [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |

Dani Lizardov
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
29
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:27:00 -
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Moira Ayindi wrote:.... Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link? 
NO! Because they will not sell isk or items
Quote:you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK
Exactly what DNS Black did. He gave tickets for a raffle to those who both GTC from him.
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Rain6638
Team Evil
1033
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:29:00 -
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I'm sorry. every time someone says 'promos' I read it as something else [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |

E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
55
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:41:00 -
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interesting stuff |

Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:48:00 -
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Dani Lizardov wrote:Moira Ayindi wrote:.... Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link?  NO! Because they will not sell isk or items But they alliance only exists because of Eve. Somer doesn't give ISK or tiems. Quote:you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK Exactly what DNS Black did. He gave tickets for a raffle to those who both GTC from him.
That is not true. DNS Black raffle a) wasn't fair and b) sold the GTC directly and overpriced ;-)
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Dani Lizardov
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
29
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:56:00 -
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Moira Ayindi wrote:[
That is not true. DNS Black raffle a) wasn't fair and b) sold the GTC directly and overpriced ;-)
Wasn't fare ? Can you prove that ? Can you prove that sommer is fair ?
Overpriced :) well tell that to the guy who both it. Overpricing broke the EULA... Really?
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Frying Doom
2746
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Posted - 2013.10.19 11:43:00 -
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Moira Ayindi wrote:And why should he reply? Free advertisement for his site  I still think that the gamers here are overreacting to the 200million bonus for GTC. You could of course say it is a grey area because the 200mill SomerCredits are a "cheap" advertisement which can't be easily reproduced by another alliance forums or Battleclinic (you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK) and that they can converted to 80% ISK. If you and your connection is fast enough  Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link?  the 200 mil bonus Somer Credits are RMT. No ifs buts or maybes and no matter what the laundering process.
As to posting on the forums and having to buy a GTC, no that is not RMT, as you are not converting Cash to isk, or isk to Cash Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

pmota
the muppets DARKNESS.
26
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Posted - 2013.10.19 13:36:00 -
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I would like to state that if Somer can do this, then everyone can do this. Thank you DNSBlack for pointing that out, I personaly applaud you.
Unless CCP decides otherwise regarding Somer Blink, I see no reason why everyone wouldn't start a Somer Blink clone and in some way getting some $ out of Eve. Not saying it's right or wrong: just making it crystal clear that RULES ARE FOR ALL.
As someone who never used a macro, bot, RMT, or exploit (yes, I'm that dumb), please count me as +1 asking CCP to make a CRYSTAL CLEAR STATEMENT on this. I'm 100% that's want DNS wants too. RULES APPLIED TO EVERYONE, not some smart 4ss making money of out isk.
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Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.19 14:57:00 -
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pmota wrote: please count me as +1 asking CCP to make a CRYSTAL CLEAR STATEMENT on this. I'm 100% that's want DNS wants too. RULES APPLIED TO EVERYONE, not some smart 4ss making money of out isk.
True.
We should start betting on the outcome  |

Xander Phoena
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
222
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Posted - 2013.10.19 15:16:00 -
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Moira Ayindi wrote:Dani Lizardov wrote:Moira Ayindi wrote:.... Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link?  NO! Because they will not sell isk or items But they alliance only exists because of Eve. Somer doesn't give ISK or tiems. Quote:you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK Exactly what DNS Black did. He gave tickets for a raffle to those who both GTC from him. That is not true. DNS Black raffle a) wasn't fair and b) sold the GTC directly and overpriced ;-)
Please explain why a) it wasn't fair. One person 'bought' 2500 tickets and as such had a 2500/2501 chance of winning. The other person bought one ticket and had a 1/2501 chance if winning. If you buy more tickets to a raffle or lottery, you have more chance of winning. Please clarify why it wasn't fair - would love to hear it.
After that, please explain b) where it states anywhere - EULA, TOS or otherwise - what you must charge for a GTC? Presumably you can charge what you like and being an open market, people will buy GTCs from whoever is selling as close to cost. A self-regulating market with no need to dictate what people charge.
So yeah, basically you are totally wrong on both counts. www.crossingzebras.com |

Shai 'Hulud
143
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:00:00 -
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pmota wrote:I would like to state that if Somer can do this, then everyone can do this. Thank you DNSBlack for pointing that out, I personaly applaud you.
Unless CCP decides otherwise regarding Somer Blink, I see no reason why everyone wouldn't start a Somer Blink clone and in some way getting some $ out of Eve. Not saying it's right or wrong: just making it crystal clear that RULES ARE FOR ALL.
As someone who never used a macro, bot, RMT, or exploit (yes, I'm that dumb), please count me as +1 asking CCP to make a CRYSTAL CLEAR STATEMENT on this. I'm 100% that's want DNS wants too. RULES APPLIED TO EVERYONE, not some smart 4ss making money of out isk.
I would agree with fair application of the rules, but that is not the case here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=287581&find=unread All the sand has blown away... now it's just a box. |

Shai 'Hulud
143
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:10:00 -
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Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.
So let's recap: - SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items. - SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do. - SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.
It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.
Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.
Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area. All the sand has blown away... now it's just a box. |

Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:30:00 -
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Shai 'Hulud wrote:Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.
So let's recap: - SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items. - SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do. - SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.
It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.
Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.
Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area.
And why not? Effort should be rewarded. Somer is the 1%  |

Shai 'Hulud
143
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:46:00 -
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Moira Ayindi wrote:Shai 'Hulud wrote:Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.
So let's recap: - SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items. - SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do. - SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.
It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.
Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.
Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area. And why not? Effort should be rewarded. Somer is the 1%  If they manage to inhabit unique game areas through game mechanics, I agree with you. We are not talking about fair use a game mechanics here though. We are talking about clear favoritism from CCP toward an in-game entity. It's a LOT easier to profit off a lottery when you get to play by a different set of rules than everyone else. All the sand has blown away... now it's just a box. |

Frying Doom
2748
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:16:00 -
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Moira Ayindi wrote:Shai 'Hulud wrote:Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.
So let's recap: - SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items. - SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do. - SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.
It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.
Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.
Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area. And why not? Effort should be rewarded. Somer is the 1%  So for profit businesses that CCP choose should be allowed to break the rules but no one else is allowed too or do you believe that any one who makes an effort sgould be allowed to RMT?
If CCP wants to say clearly that Somer is allowed to RMT because it made an effort, I am sure the players would rightfully laugh in their face and unsub. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

DarkDecay
Real money traders
78
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:44:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Moira Ayindi wrote:Shai 'Hulud wrote:Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.
So let's recap: - SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items. - SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do. - SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.
It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.
Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.
Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area. And why not? Effort should be rewarded. Somer is the 1%  So for profit businesses that CCP choose should be allowed to break the rules but no one else is allowed too or do you believe that any one who makes an effort sgould be allowed to RMT? If CCP wants to say clearly that Somer is allowed to RMT because it made an effort, I am sure the players would rightfully laugh in their face and unsub.
It seems it is more along the lines of it is ok for somer plus their other rmt partner to turn one billion ISK into $15 to $24 as long as CCP makes eleven times as much form it. |

Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
15
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Posted - 2013.10.20 22:30:00 -
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Xander Phoena wrote:]Please explain why a) it wasn't fair. One person 'bought' 2500 tickets and as such had a 2500/2501 chance of winning. The other person bought one ticket and had a 1/2501 chance if winning. If you buy more tickets to a raffle or lottery, you have more chance of winning. Please clarify why it wasn't fair - would love to hear it.
Why bother doing 2500/2501? Just do 1/2 and always make #1 win, CCP have no way to prove it wasn't random in the same way they don't with Sommer. Always buy ticket #2 with an alt. Customer gets all the ISK they paid for no risk.
Don't bother with true random selection when there is no need to. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |

Jordanna Bauer
Mafia Redux Phobia.
46
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:08:00 -
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I find this loophole to be both entertaining and necessary. I agree that Blink needs to be brought into line with the rest of us in terms of the rules. |
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Baron vonDoom
Scorn.
87
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Posted - 2013.10.21 00:56:00 -
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It would be nice to have an official response on this.
It should be perfectly legal as it's not remotely as malicious as what somer does on a daily basis. However, as we all experienced in recent events, CCP obviously applies double standards when it comes to somer.
I'd like to raffle 3 characters totaling 290 mill SP including a couple of HG pirate implant clones and ~150 bill worth in assets and isk.
I'd just like some reassurance CCP believe themselves to be as legit as somer before setting the package up. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2739
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Posted - 2013.10.21 03:06:00 -
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Shai 'Hulud wrote:Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.
So let's recap: - SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items. - SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do. - SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.
It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.
Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.
Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area. Well... that's what this thread is about isn't it? CCP actively directing the fundamental gameplay... if it's not a level chessboard they will loose half their subs at least. I'm not going to unsub... but I plex my play. What do I care? I could plex out 100 years right now if so inclined. ...but the game itself has been corrupted. If you want to play a top level alliance type game I don't know that you would want to do it in EvE right now because it's just so random and unbalanced, with regards to rules and policy.
But f*** it. *popcorn*
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tigerpr0n
Appetite 4 Destruction
3
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Posted - 2013.10.21 04:09:00 -
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good old black. |

Drec Von
CandyMan Cartel
1
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Posted - 2013.10.21 07:30:00 -
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Bullets n Beans |
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ISD Dosnix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
580

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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:08:00 -
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Thread locked: RMT is forbidden by the ToS/Eula. Forum Rule #21:
Quote:Posts discussing, linking to, or advertising RMT, including but not limited to the sale of in game items, assets, currency, characters or game accounts for real life money are strictly prohibited. ISD Dosnix
ISD Dosnix Lieutenant Community Communication Liasons (CCL) Interstellar Service Department |
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
654
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Posted - 2013.10.21 12:57:00 -
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Hehe, Black that's brillant !
Good luck :) G££ <= Me |

Crystafina
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.10.21 14:28:00 -
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The irony of these past SomerBlink anti-competition and blocked for RMT posts is not lost on me.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37957
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3431370#post3431370 And many many before.............
I also took a further look at the RMT and scripting banned players (but especially the RMT/Botting bans) and it looks like each person put hefty and I do mean HEFTY amounts into Blink but the process of banning is questionable and right inline with the other questionable practices happening here. It seems to go:
1. Get massive deposits in from an RMTer. 2. Somehow identify a botter or a botter's alt (CCP communucation directly to Blink??) 3. Out the person with a sarcastic post which everyone jumps on. 4. NOT RETURN THE ISK OR SAY IT WAS SENT TO CCP
If Point 4. is what it looks like (e.g. if it was sent back to CCP why not say so for kudos??) then Blink is 100% guilty of accepting RMT isk by proxy, knowing full well what it is and not returning it anywhere (i.e. they are now RMT by proxy)
Food for thought
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Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
163
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:53:00 -
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Baron vonDoom wrote:It would be nice to have an official response on this.
It should be perfectly legal as it's not remotely as malicious as what somer does on a daily basis. However, as we all experienced in recent events, CCP obviously applies double standards when it comes to somer.
I'd like to raffle 3 characters totaling 290 mill SP including a couple of HG pirate implant clones and ~150 bill worth in assets and isk.
I'd just like some reassurance CCP believe themselves to be as legit as somer before setting the package up.
One is left to wonder if CCP will simply change the rules for now to stop these schemes and then change them back in favour of Somer when it suits.
This sort of thing is corrosive and does corrupt the game, Perhaps it's time that CCP stated their position clearly, what their rules actually are, which groups those rules apply to and how one gets on their favoured list so that the rules no longer apply. |

Mug Costanza
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.10.21 19:48:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Greetings,
Any form of ETC trading outside of the CCP created system is not permitted or supported by CCP. We are currently investigating if the sort of ETC resale (resale by an unauthorized reseller) is permitted. We appreciate your patience while we investigate this matter.
Let me help you out here. In the US, it is permitted. Please try and stop it, you will be laughed at in court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restraints_on_alienation |

Het Silenius
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.10.21 19:59:00 -
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Mug Costanza wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Greetings,
Any form of ETC trading outside of the CCP created system is not permitted or supported by CCP. We are currently investigating if the sort of ETC resale (resale by an unauthorized reseller) is permitted. We appreciate your patience while we investigate this matter. Let me help you out here. In the US, it is permitted. Please try and stop it, you will be laughed at in court. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restraints_on_alienation
ETCs aren't real property. |
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