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Morbius Drake
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Morbius Drake on 02/02/2006 12:22:46
Dammit Grimwalius, I've been staring at your sig for ten minutes waiting for it to flash me a look.
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Meatha
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Posted - 2006.02.02 13:23:00 -
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As a EXTREMELY new player I'm both fascinated and a bit intimidated by the system.
Since I can't play a lot the idea that I can skill while watching my kids, going out, or working is amazing.
On the same note. There are plenty of people a couple of YEARS ahead of me. I know that I will NEVER catch up. Even if I could dedicate more time or effort it wouldn't matter.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.02.02 13:24:00 -
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Best system in any MMO if you ask me and I have played most of em. Next best was the PRE-CU SWG system.
 Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.02.02 14:02:00 -
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CCP better not change the skills needed for current items!
If they would decrease for instance the prereq for HAC's from L5 cruiser to L4 cruiser i would be... annoyed... Unless it was possible for me to redirect the time i spent on cruiser 5 on something else.
If u want to fly a certain ship or use a certain item, u do the skilltime.
On the otherhand, perhaps some sort of added benefit on actually using the item/ship would be good too, man if that were the case i would be an uber missilespammer-o-doom 
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
CCP better not change the skills needed for current items!
If they would decrease for instance the prereq for HAC's from L5 cruiser to L4 cruiser i would be... annoyed... Unless it was possible for me to redirect the time i spent on cruiser 5 on something else.
If u want to fly a certain ship or use a certain item, u do the skilltime.
On the otherhand, perhaps some sort of added benefit on actually using the item/ship would be good too, man if that were the case i would be an uber missilespammer-o-doom
Why? If Cerberi only required lvl 4 Caldari Cruiser, you'd still be getting the extra 5% Kin missile damage and 10% missile velocity someone who only trained Cal Cruiser IV wouldn't have.
It wouldn't be the first time CCP changed skill reqs. I recall one particularely high profile skill change was when Cruise missiles were up to require lvl 5 Missile Op. This was back when Cruise missiles were integral to frigate and cruiser combat, mind you, and well before Tech II weapons were even considered. Suddenly frigate and cruiser pilots who hadn't trained cruise missiles yet had another week's worth of training they needed before they could fight. I think it added 20-30% to the time you needed to fight in cruisers, and nearly doubled the time for frigates.
Somehow I doubt are general downgrade of reqs would be nearly as traumatic.
Harry Voyager
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SunWuKong
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: SunWuKong on 02/02/2006 16:55:09
All those that have no life and all the time in the world to boost XP can go play the games that allow it.
As for me, the time based system is what attracted me and I'm not too sure how interested I would stay with EVE if that ever changed.
In any case, the skills that are acquired by actually playing the game do give a considerable advantage against someone who had the same skills but not much game time experience. (such as which fittings work best, where better trade routes, complexes, etc.) Plus, the more time you have to play, the more ISK you have, the better implants you have, thereby learning faster....
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Threv Echandari
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:51:00 -
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After playing several MMOs that used the other methods , this train while you sleep is awesome.. I subscribe to the Matrix theory and that your really not learning the skills just training your brain to interface with with the systems better.
Of course I have not trained a single thing to V yet but when I have to I will.
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Flyer11
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:51:00 -
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yup
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Laura Briggs
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:13:00 -
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As Harry says, I have no problem with the system. It's just the requirements to get into some ships or to use certain equipment are ridiculous. It shouldn't take MONHTS to get into a ship. ANY SHIP. There are already enough detterents to getting into a ship you like, such as ISK and/or minerals. Also, you have to be able to outfit your ship once you get it. Not to mention any other misc. skills you might need on the way.
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Meatha
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On the same note. There are plenty of people a couple of YEARS ahead of me. I know that I will NEVER catch up. Even if I could dedicate more time or effort it wouldn't matter.
I sure hope that you are or are planning to seriously train some of the learning skills. And don't listen to the detractors, level 5 are always worth it in THAT fields.
On a side note: You don't ever need to catch up with people YEARS ahead of you as long as you can fly ships you like... |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:28:00 -
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I simply wouldn't be playing eve today without it.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Xascor
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:43:00 -
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I like EVE's system better than any other MMORPG I've played.
- It allows veterans to remain veterans and not become "just another level 60".
- It keeps players without as much playtime as others from falling behind.
- It takes away the feeling of "I have to play tonight to get to level XX!"
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Coveney
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xascor
I like EVE's system better than any other MMORPG I've played.
- It allows veterans to remain veterans and not become "just another level 60".
- It keeps players without as much playtime as others from falling behind.
- It takes away the feeling of "I have to play tonight to get to level XX!"
Nicely put Xascor, that is why i play Eve.
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trust trd
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Posted - 2006.02.02 18:14:00 -
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I like it and don't think it needs to be changed (Though I think the tractor beam reqs is a little overboard)
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Tara Armitage
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Posted - 2006.02.02 18:30:00 -
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Love it.
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Dedekind
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Posted - 2006.02.02 18:33:00 -
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I like it as it is. It should be equal for all players.
Shouldn't matter whether you are a casual Eve player
or a patient who plays Eve 24 hours a day. Like someone
said, the current system is good for people who have
some real life, for example students and people with
family to take care of.
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Femlin Tilith
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Posted - 2006.02.02 19:18:00 -
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I vote for keeping it the way it is. Although the level 5 training times on some of these skills are ridiculous. Me thinks training times should be reduced by a 1/3. This would alleviate some of the frustation in waiting.
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2006.02.02 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Manfred Doomhammer on 02/02/2006 19:35:19
the system is fine as it is..
on a sidenote, after reading the responses and some people suggesting a mixed system (both skill over time + bonus for skill usage..)....
i am stunned not more vets remember that this HAS BEEN in game actually for some time, albeit a long time ago...
got taken out because of course it was exploited like hell..
iirc you could train things like mechanics at insane rates by activating armor reppers all the time or something like that...
[edited:] or rather, it was fitting and unfitting some modules that increased that skill iirc now
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2006.02.02 19:34:00 -
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i would not play eve when the skill system is based on experience.
Cheers, Trash
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Gauge Lockhart
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Posted - 2006.02.02 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Gauge Lockhart on 02/02/2006 19:39:47
Edited by: Gauge Lockhart on 02/02/2006 19:38:03
I HATE it!!
I have no life so i can spend at least 18 hours a day grinding and powerleveling in my Mom's basement... thats how i NORMALLY get to be the Uber L337-nessz0rz in all my OTHER games! My e-peen is HUGE in WoW, Guild wars, EQ, CoH, MxO, UO! I LOVE being able to twink my characters to make them completely over powered! When i AM sleeping i can STILL grind using my macro in those other games.. and, just to prove that i'm DA MAN, i buy as much money as i can from IGE and E-Bay! I'm a gaming GAWD!!
...except in EVE... I can't Powerlevel (skills take real time), i can't go kill the uber-monsters for their fat loot, i'll get banned if i buy ISK, if i go around ganking people, the Concord gets me or other players get me. PvP actually takes real PLAYER skills... i can't just be uber because of my equipment; i actually have to know what i'[m doing! i can't be an immature ASS on the forums, because they're actually moderated well and the other posters call me on my trolling and flaming because most of them are real intellectuals and are mature ...
This game is NO fun for a L337 gamer like me!
(the above was satire. Gauge Lockhart is an upstanding EVE citizen who fully supports the Skill learning process... although, i DO wish it were a tad faster... i want a Cruiser! )
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2006.02.02 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gauge Lockhart
Edited by: Gauge Lockhart on 02/02/2006 19:39:47
Edited by: Gauge Lockhart on 02/02/2006 19:38:03
I HATE it!!
I have no life so i can spend at least 18 hours a day grinding and powerleveling in my Mom's basement... thats how i NORMALLY get to be the Uber L337-nessz0rz in all my OTHER games! My e-peen is HUGE in WoW, Guild wars, EQ, CoH, MxO, UO! I LOVE being able to twink my characters to make them completely over powered! When i AM sleeping i can STILL grind using my macro in those other games.. and, just to prove that i'm DA MAN, i buy as much money as i can from IGE and E-Bay! I'm a gaming GAWD!!
...except in EVE... I can't Powerlevel (skills take real time), i can't go kill the uber-monsters for their fat loot, i'll get banned if i buy ISK, if i go around ganking people, the Concord gets me or other players get me. PvP actually takes real PLAYER skills... i can't just be uber because of my equipment; i actually have to know what i'[m doing! i can't be an immature ASS on the forums, because they're actually moderated well and the other posters call me on my trolling and flaming because most of them are real intellectuals and are mature...
This game is NO fun for a L337 gamer like me!
(the above was satire. Gauge Lockhart is an upstanding EVE citizen who fully supports the Skill learning process... although, i DO wish it were a tad faster... i want a Cruiser! )
you know, you should lighten up, and try sarcasm for a change  
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.02.02 19:44:00 -
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LOL @ guage
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Wotann
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Posted - 2006.02.02 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Wotann on 02/02/2006 19:46:31
Edited by: Wotann on 02/02/2006 19:44:44
I like the Eve skill system, the only "critic" that i have to say is that it is too slow...maybe make it faster isn't a bad idea...
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Freada
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Posted - 2006.02.02 20:07:00 -
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yes, I like it as it is.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.02.02 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tripoli
I love EVE's skill system more than anyone else does and there's plenty of people who can vouch for that.
He does.. It's TRUE
Originally by: Gierling
I liked it a lot more before LEvel 5 skills became common as prereqs, now its just a ridiculous grind with the naked purpose of keepng you paying for months at a time.
Ohh and so is this.
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It started so easy, do you want to carry on.
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Rider Zane
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Posted - 2006.02.02 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rider Zane on 02/02/2006 20:31:40
Put it this way;
In Earth and Beyond I maxed a Lv150 Jenquai Defender....after that the game had nothing left for me.
With a level based system your charcater development is limited and everyone essentially ends up the same. With skill based you are unlimited and players are more unique because of the skills they've chosen to develop.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.02.02 20:39:00 -
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EVE system is far better. and any wow players have no clue about exp grinding. after six years of Everquest, a lvl 70 wizard im never planning to do the level based grind again. in EVE my skills advance while im at work or even when i choose to goto a movie or watch TV. theres no "Oh i missed a good day of leveling" on holidays.
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Hysenthlay
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Posted - 2006.02.02 21:28:00 -
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yes i like it...
working 60+ hours a week and still able to compete is a nice thing.
Roughneck Mining at its best... |
Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.02 21:35:00 -
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The skill system in eve is one fo the best parts of it. I hope they never ever change it. What makes eve different is that there's no XP grind but there's an ISK grind. You do gain things by playing more but you aren't forced to in order to compete. The system lets us play as much or as little as we like without recourse. I like it :).
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Bob Banks
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Posted - 2006.02.02 21:36:00 -
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I don't mind it, but personally I prefer XP based and a bit of good old grinding, simply because I would be better at that.
It's not all bad though, it keeps running all the time.
However if we both keep training at the same time me and someone who started 1 year before me will still have 1 years more points than me in 100 years (not that there are 100 years worth of skills :P)
the point is there is no chance of me catching up with him on SP, whereas I easily could on XP.
mind you it stops chinese hardcore 24/7 grinders becoming uber uber |337 in one week then selling his character off etc etc...
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