I read your whole post.

my answer still doesn't change.

get into wormholes, its the new endgame.

I like your concept though.

I do like the idea of "wilder" untamed systems, perhaps binary or trinary systems, or even right smack in the middle of a stellar nursary, with proto-stars forming around you.
Perhaps even something with no warp-to points, no planets or moons, just a big 200-300 AU sphere of anoms you have to scan down - something you can truly get lost in.

I do like the idea of "wilder" untamed systems, perhaps binary or trinary systems, or even right smack in the middle of a stellar nursary, with proto-stars forming around you.
Perhaps even something with no warp-to points, no planets or moons, just a big 200-300 AU sphere of anoms you have to scan down - something you can truly get lost in.

I do like the idea of "wilder" untamed systems, perhaps binary or trinary systems, or even right smack in the middle of a stellar nursary, with proto-stars forming around you.
Perhaps even something with no warp-to points, no planets or moons, just a big 200-300 AU sphere of anoms you have to scan down - something you can truly get lost in.

I do like the idea of "wilder" untamed systems, perhaps binary or trinary systems, or even right smack in the middle of a stellar nursary, with proto-stars forming around you.
Perhaps even something with no warp-to points, no planets or moons, just a big 200-300 AU sphere of anoms you have to scan down - something you can truly get lost in.

6 ) No anchorable bubbles

No, it's not more wormholes or different ways to get to wormholes...

Nor is it more space connecting what we have now to "unreachable" jovian space.

Nope nothing like that....

We need new space with qualitatively different rules for exploration and development and potential for rewards.

What new rules you might ask?

1) No outposts can be constructed.

2) No NPC stations

3) No jump bridges

4) No sovereignty

5) No readily available ice products.

6 ) No anchorable bubbles


Just space....rich and full of the most bountiful set of resources in New Eden. Nowhere near the jump freighter-able, outpost infested, jump bridge traversed space we now have to deal with in balancing null sec. The best ores, rats, moon goo, and anomalies naturally occurring.....ready to be exploited by true adventurers with a willingness to work and meet the logistical challenge that truly existing in the deepest, darkness of space.

These regions would be called "Deepspace" regions, hidden from human eyes for the ages but available now for exploration by the few, the chosen, the courageous!

What your proposing sounds like Extra-Galactic Space since Eve is a Galaxy in its own right, which is an interesting concept. Maybe Globular Clusters which can only be accessed by special portals. These portals could only be scanned down by max skilled probers. The easter eggs in these Globular Clusters would have to be something special like Jovian Technologies or something close to it.

Although I'm out of touch with the lore of New Eden, I get the impression EVE could only be a tiny fraction of a galaxy.
New Eden is only a few dozen light years across, yet even a small galaxy is a good 50,000 LY's across.

Also, a globular cluster would be a bit too big to just jump in to, considering they could have a good 100,000 stars in them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster) - that's more stars than the whole of k-space. Admittedly, the view would be stunning, if the artists could render them properly.

[... a prober could drop beacons as a reference as he maps out the uncharted space, New profession maybe ,Stellar Cartographer?

I quite like that as a way of expanding eve, actually. CCP adds 20,000 systems but doesn't tell anyone where they are
It's then up to the stellar cartographers to find them, "claim them", then reinforce that claim with the sov mechanics (or just keep them unclaimable).
Perhaps the more nomadic corps don't claim them, so they don't show on the map - just wandering from uncharted to uncharted...

Yes, well, the Eve Galaxy is a vastly scaled down version of the real thing. In regards to navigating in truely uncharted space, a prober could drop beacons as a reference as he maps out the uncharted space, New profession maybe ,Stellar Cartographer?

It has never been stated that new eden is a galaxy in its own right. It is implied in the original opening cutscene that new eden *could* be in a different galaxy to earth, by the fact that the corporations couldn't expand further from earth without the eve wormhole.

But equally, it could be that there were no more binary systems within stargate range in that portion of the galaxy, and that Eve lead to a different part of the same galaxy, with more binary systems, and there exists a deadzone of non-binary systems between the two.

Either way, new eden clearly has more systems to be expanded to. Expansion happens slowly in new eden because of the lack of super-luminal interstellar drive. To expand to a new system, you must first slowboat it there and build a stargate or pop a cyno. You can choose to do that either by sending a remote cyno drone, and just jumping a stargate build crew in, or sending a crew with the materials in hibernation, but either way it takes years to access a new star system once you know its there.

The odds are very good that new eden is only a mere fraction of the number of systems we could really reach.

I do like the idea of "wilder" untamed systems, perhaps binary or trinary systems, or even right smack in the middle of a stellar nursary, with proto-stars forming around you.
Perhaps even something with no warp-to points, no planets or moons, just a big 200-300 AU sphere of anoms you have to scan down - something you can truly get lost in.

You musn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.

What if a change was implimented that allowed us to manually activate our warp drives, moving in any direction we choose in three dimensions, and able to set an exit from the warp tunnel anywhere along the line, who's length would be determined by capacitor capacity.

Personally, I think it's a little silly that we cannot do this already, though implimenting it would be difficult, I'm sure, and its uses limited. However, building on your idea, what if we had these deep-space spheres at 10k-50k AU across instead of a measaly 200-300? Entire corporations could 'hide in plain sight', as it were, simply due to the sheer magnitude of the space (which is how deep space would actually work). Such abilities and arenas would truly open up a multitude of possibilities for many aspects of the game, not just scanning.

Just brainstorming some effects this would give rise to;
-There would need to be changes to the scan skills tree to vastly increase the radius of a scan.
-Exploration ships would need to be cap heavy to warp in longer intervals, and thus be more efficient.
-These spaces could fit inside the cluster that already exists; between systems, as the space that Jump gates normally allow us to bypass.
-PVP in these areas would be interesting, as having speedy scanners and tacklers with a good, long warp distance would be crucial. Cap recharge would be important, as it would dictate how quickly you can make a significant jump again.
-Logistics would require good scanning scouts (to avoid pirates)

And that only scratches the surface. Such a big playground could be home to lots of interesting new gameplay elements.

What made me love EVE when it started was the cold, mysterious atmosphere, the unknown. Years later 0.0 feels no more special or distant than high sec, thanks to jump bridges, jump freighters, warp to 0 and its stagnant state. EVE was EVE when alliances had to escort convoys of freighters into deep 0.0 to move supplies or build an outpost, having to defend them from ambushes, that's the spirit of the EVE I loved, a dangerous, real space odyssey.

High sec needs less ISK generated in it, and the 4 empires separated by low sec systems
Low sec needs to feel more like far west, a place for space gold diggers, caravans and bandits
0.0 needs to be more dangerous, less accessible, makes you feel you're somewhere far in space not 2-3 JBs away from empire
WHs are a step in the right direction but once you've been there 2-3 times, you've seen it all

What EVE needs in 2011 to bring more of its original spirit is more mystery, make those stories in chronicles possible for players. A great addition would be MASSIVE uncharted space around 0.0, where there is no local, no bounties, where you could make dozens of jumps into desert systems, having to take note of your route, to finaly end up discovering a jovian stations in ruins, corporations testing prototype technology, remains of civilsations unknown, traces of early / alien space exploration, a pirate / hostile lair in the middle of nowhere +á la bad guys systems of Mass Effect etc. Players could map this space and sell their work, making good maps or falses ones leading their buyers into a trap.

That's the EVE I dream of

... To expand to a new system, you must first slowboat it there and build a stargate or pop a cyno...

You musn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.
...
Just brainstorming some effects this would give rise to;
-There would need to be changes to the scan skills tree to vastly increase the radius of a scan.
-Exploration ships would need to be cap heavy to warp in longer intervals, and thus be more efficient.
-These spaces could fit inside the cluster that already exists; between systems, as the space that Jump gates normally allow us to bypass.
-PVP in these areas would be interesting, as having speedy scanners and tacklers with a good, long warp distance would be crucial. Cap recharge would be important, as it would dictate how quickly you can make a significant jump again.
-Logistics would require good scanning scouts (to avoid pirates)

Seems to me you're suggesting a vast area of space only filled with some celestials, exploration (radar/mag/grav) sites, and anoms. TBH that sounds a lot like WH's.

The problem is that were such area(s) to exist (be they stellar nurseries, binary systems, deadspace, etc.) they could cause severe server load due to having potentially thousands of pilots on a single shard.

....ready to be exploited by true adventurers with a willingness to work and meet the logistical challenge that truly existing in the deepest, darkness of space.

Just skimming that story, after the slowboating, they invented jump drives that didn't need cynos, so why can't CCP supply us with something similar, even if it results in massive inaccuracy in the destination point?

This idea has got me thinking. A few more ideas to throw into the mix, picking up on the "stepping stones" concept:

Let's say we get a new type of signature, "Deep Space SIgnatures" (DSS). These are found way outside current system limits, and can be scanned down using scan probes (either a new kind of probe or a beefed up Deep Space Probe).

Oh, and you don't know what's going to be there until you get there; so when you make the jump to a new DSS, you might find yourself unexpectedly back in K-space, or in a DSS that's already occupied, or empty, or full of stuff too hard for your skills, or - if you're lucky - a real plum of a DSS that's going to keep you busy for a week.

DSS move every downtime - there are no permanent routes - and at any one time each DSS may have a limited number of other DSS within scan range (which may or may not connect to K-space (or W-space)). Or it may have none in range. So once you're in deepspace, you never know when you might find a route back to K-space. My preference would be to make the chance of finding a K-space exit low, so you can be stuck out there for months at a time.

I'd also suggest a limit on deepspace jumps - so if a ship is capable of deep space jumps, it can only do one per day, which means you can't go back to the DSS you just came from (because they move every downtime).

Think of a DSS as a "system" if you like - so when you get there there may be a number of things to do (there might be planets, belts, combat sites, new challenges etc), all of which have to be scanned down using regular exploration probes. Once you've exhausted the resources of a DSS, it's time to move on.

I think it would make sense to have a new kind of vessel - a deepspace exploration vessel perhaps something like an Orca, or perhaps something like the smallholding / homesteading / baseships that were suggested in the nullsec design goals discussions (two birds with one stone?)

I hope the devs pick up on this thread...

.... So once you're in deepspace, you never know when you might find a route back to K-space. My preference would be to make the chance of finding a K-space exit low, so you can be stuck out there for months at a time.
....

I'd also suggest a limit on deepspace jumps - so if a ship is capable of deep space jumps, it can only do one per day, which means you can't go back to the DSS you just came from (because they move every downtime).
....
Think of a DSS as a "system" if you like - so when you get there there may be a number of things to do (there might be planets, belts, combat sites, new challenges etc), all of which have to be scanned down using regular exploration probes. Once you've exhausted the resources of a DSS, it's time to move on.
....

What about warpdrive malfunctions that throw you into Witchspace?

Ah, those were the days.

planets => PI
belts => ore
combat sites => stuff

Once you can't set up POS or outpost there you don't need PI.
Once you can't set up POS or outpost there you don't need minerals because you can't manufacture anything.
Ore is a very large by size. So you can't mine in deepspace because you "can be stuck there for months". Let's say you can fill your cargohold in a day... And what's next?

Combat sites can't give you stuff in noticeable amounts because of cargohold capacity and "stuck for months".

So here is the question: what would you want to be able to get there?

Or maybe ore or PI can be used to lure deepspace star worms to you whose essential oils act as a superbooster.

Well put

No, it's not more wormholes or different ways to get to wormholes...

Nor is it more space connecting what we have now to "unreachable" jovian space.

Nope nothing like that....

We need new space with qualitatively different rules for exploration and development and potential for rewards.

What new rules you might ask?

1) No outposts can be constructed.

2) No NPC stations

3) No jump bridges

4) No sovereignty

5) No readily available ice products.

6 ) No anchorable bubbles


Just space....rich and full of the most bountiful set of resources in New Eden. Nowhere near the jump freighter-able, outpost infested, jump bridge traversed space we now have to deal with in balancing null sec. The best ores, rats, moon goo, and anomalies naturally occurring.....ready to be exploited by true adventurers with a willingness to work and meet the logistical challenge that truly existing in the deepest, darkness of space.

These regions would be called "Deepspace" regions, hidden from human eyes for the ages but available now for exploration by the few, the chosen, the courageous!

This is actually something that I've been thinking of as well. Having in a sense just a massive plot of space where there are no celestials to warp to. You have to rely on scanning to find objects, anomalies, sigs, etc in order to move. Like stepping stones.

Being deep space I see no reason why there's need to be a single jump-in point. With long-distance gateless travel I would have thought it would make more sense to jump into a random spot in the destination "system".

What about warpdrive malfunctions that throw you into Witchspace?

Ah, those were the days.

This idea has got me thinking. A few more ideas to throw into the mix, picking up on the "stepping stones" concept:

Let's say we get a new type of signature, "Deep Space SIgnatures" (DSS). These are found way outside current system limits, and can be scanned down using scan probes (either a new kind of probe or a beefed up Deep Space Probe).

carebears???

What your proposing sounds like Extra-Galactic Space since Eve is a Galaxy in its own right, which is an interesting concept. Maybe Globular Clusters which can only be accessed by special portals. These portals could only be scanned down by max skilled probers. The easter eggs in these Globular Clusters would have to be something special like Jovian Technologies or something close to it.

There are a lot of good ideas for an expansion here.

If you want to make it really remote then why not have it the other side of wormhole space.

Create some new classes of wormholes.

C7 & C8 same as C5 and C4 but can only be reached from C6
C9 and C10 same as C3 and C2 but can only be reached from C7 & C8
C9 and C10 could lead to a new set of systems as described.

The idea is to give a sense of deepening and shallowing of Wormhole space.

Corps could set up in the Wormhole systems but would be far removed from empire, plus the mass restrictions would prevent an immediate influx of capitals to the new regions and those with permanent bases on the borders would always be appearing in a different part of the new regions due to the wormholes moving.

I like the idea of having to scan and explore all systems with perhaps nothing but the sun to warp to at first, and no star map.

The idea someone mentioned for slightly randomised gates was good as well.

Unpredictabilty is the key to holding interest in deep space ventures, but the Stellar Cartographer ,advanced prober must play an important role here. Getting to Deep space systems should be difficult at best. BTW absolutely no stargates, it defeats the whole purpose.Hyperspace portals to deepspace should have to be probed out and should be rather rare occurances.

While I'm all about expanding on wormholes, I think it would be better to introduce a new area/feature rather than expand whs right now.

Just space....rich and full of the most bountiful set of resources in New Eden. Nowhere near the jump freighter-able, outpost infested, jump bridge traversed space we now have to deal with in balancing null sec. The best ores, rats, moon goo, and anomalies naturally occurring.....ready to be exploited by true adventurers with a willingness to work and meet the logistical challenge that truly existing in the deepest, darkness of space.

These regions would be called "Deepspace" regions, hidden from human eyes for the ages but available now for exploration by the few, the chosen, the courageous!

... beyond the wormhole network ...

Well i think it would be better instead of adding it farther out have the deep space above/below the current plane, or in between all of the systems.

Also a ship should be added about the size of a carrier that has production and research slots, a good sized corp hangar and mantinence bay on it, not armed at all, only a small drone bay. it would be nice for the people who just want to wander around. imagine people just wandering the depths of space occasionally stopping by a asteroid belt to pick up some ore to build some modules that they need and then continuing on their way. for it to truly work you would need to find some way to get moon mats from a ship, maybe a mod for this class?

also have it produce up to battlecruiser class?

Because i would love to just roam the heavens seeing what there is to see hunting what i wish and then every few months popping back into known space and getting ready to go on another jaunt into the depths of space.

It would be great to have some truly unique sights and fun out there for those with the patience and the drive to explore the heavens, that is an eve that i would love (even more than i do)

... Space becomes living, organic, responsive to human presence to the extent that players fear not just other players, but the indigenous npc population as well.

I hope CCP picks up on this thread. The number of "likes" here should indicate that players en masse are receptive to radical reconceptualizations of space in Eve.

I like this idea, but how will they put out a mayday (or bait someone) if there's nowhere for them to cry? (But, if they chose to be alone, they can die alone too.) Also, if I'm going solo (as per your last paragraph), it would have to be one hell of a ship to fit a comm array as well as codebreaker/analyzer/salvager and still have decent tank/DPS. Battleship class, at least.

This seems the logical way to get there. I'd like to note though (unrelated to your post) that some people seem to think that w-space is inside a wormhole, rather than just reached via wormhole. I find it hard to believe that all the naturally-occurring wormholes in New Eden just happen to point to one area of space (assuming w-space systems are all in the same area), as opposed to any one of the billions of other systems in the average galaxy! I wonder if it's possible for CCP to randomly-generate a system so that you could have literally "billions" of systems available! (not simultaneously though - "enough" would be generated at downtime to meet demand, and they'd disappear once all trace of player activity had gone (players, POS's, cans, etc))

Once there:[/b]

This bit I'm not sure about. As a solo player, I love the idea of sodding off to a remote location to do anoms and stuff, but that's not really what EVE's about. I'm worried about excluding the nomadic corps who just want to live in a system for a few days/weeks then move on. But that sort of corp could be "large" compared to whatever a "small-gang" is. This is sounding a lot like w-space, which is also mass/numbers-limited. Should these systems be unattractive to small-corps? Do we just need a lot more w-space systems and anoms in the existing EVE? Should these systems be thought of as "livable" or just "visitable"? If we have too many new systems, small-corps might all leave blob-sec to carve out their own little slice of heaven, then no-one would see each other anymore.

I like the idea of the environmental damage, but it sounds a little bit risky for a solo ship that can't repair itself. Also, if this place is so isolated that it's hard to get into and out of, a lot of supplies are going to be needed to last the distance, which doesn't sound very solo-friendly.

I have a feeling that creating a massive amount of space might require too many resources for pleasing too few players. I very much doubt that will be a viable option.

CCP on the other hand has communicated that they intend to make space more dynamic. This can make space you haven't visited for a while interesting to explore again. Specifically player activity (or lack thereoff) and the construction of structures should change the nature of a solar system.

Lets face it Eve has become stagnant, boring and predictable, putting out more eye candy projects like new ships, which by the way we don't need will not hold interest for long. We need an injection of new life in the game and Deep Space if done correctly will accomplish that.

This idea is absolutely phenomenal. Expanding space as we know it into a wild, free, harsh, unconquerable frontier which can either be a quick route to profit or a medical clone. Now, with all the speak of not being able to anchor anything out there (which I agree with, as it would help prevent it from being exploited by the "superpowers" in null.

I couldn't help but think of something. A new ship class.

Navigator-class Mobile Survey Station

A capital ship specifically designed for Deep Space.
Designed by the Servant Sisters of EVE with assistance from CreoDron, ORE and Transtellar Shipping

Bonuses:
20% bonus to Cargo Capacity per Level
5% bonus to Shield Resists per Level
10% bonus to Drone Damage/HP per Level (able to support a full flight of small, medium and heavy drones - using them for combat or logistics purposes would be up to the individual pilot)
10% increase to scan strength of probes per level

Role Bonus:
10% bonus to Range/Velocity of Capital Tractor Beam per Level
10% bonus to Fuel Bay Capacity per Level
5% reduction in Fuel Consumption per Level

This ship in and of itself would be a bit of an enigma, as it would have such a specialized role. It would be capable of shield tanking, and utilizing tractor beams as well as the Expanded Probe Launcher. But where it would come in really handy, is if configured properly (utilizing a specialized siege type module), it could be "deployed" and thus allow for ships to dock with it (limited ship sizes) as if it were a mobile station (this feature would only work in Deep Space). During the time frame where it was "deployed" it would be immobile. In the event that it ran out of fuel while "deployed" it would eject the ships in its hangar into space and enter normal configuration again (or just be rendered completely immobile until it was refueled). It would have one refinery slot (which would refine at the tax rate of the corporation) and anything refined after the cargo hold was full would be ejected into space (thus making the pilot attempting to refine have to scoop it into their ship or take what they can).

I understand that a lot of people don't want to see more capital ships, HOWEVER, an idea of this magnitude would require a specialized ship of sorts, which would create more immersion as well-funded exploration teams could stay out longer.

Im going to have to disagree with jack, make the cargo bonus a bonus to corporate hangar and have a very large ship maint array on it.

Im not opposed to docking with another ship but time and time again CCP has proven that attempting to dock a ship to another ship makes the server have a heart attack and die

What you ask for exists already. It's called NPC nullsec. And it is a very very wild place.

How would you get to this "deepspace"?

and...

Why is this needed?

No, it's not more wormholes or different ways to get to wormholes...

Nor is it more space connecting what we have now to "unreachable" jovian space.

Nope nothing like that....

We need new space with qualitatively different rules for exploration and development and potential for rewards.

What new rules you might ask?

1) No outposts can be constructed.

2) No NPC stations

3) No jump bridges

4) No sovereignty

5) No readily available ice products.

6 ) No anchorable bubbles


Just space....rich and full of the most bountiful set of resources in New Eden. Nowhere near the jump freighter-able, outpost infested, jump bridge traversed space we now have to deal with in balancing null sec. The best ores, rats, moon goo, and anomalies naturally occurring.....ready to be exploited by true adventurers with a willingness to work and meet the logistical challenge that truly existing in the deepest, darkness of space.

These regions would be called "Deepspace" regions, hidden from human eyes for the ages but available now for exploration by the few, the chosen, the courageous!

Well put

I would love this, since exploration is one my favourite past time activities. Hell I would just move to such space for share factor of fun and unknown.

This would be a good way to include two new ship types focused on exploration. Yes we have our T3s that can be great exploration vessels but not everyone wants to risk them.

Mostly rough sketch/idea how to access Deep Space, by whole corporation/fleet and way to avoid choke points.

Two new hulls based on Tier 2 Battle Cruisers.
Both meant for exploration/deep space exploration.
New skill "Exploration Ships"

"Armed Explorer" - Mean as main DPS force, able to scan on its own.
Still keeping enough specialized equipment to fit Warfare Link.
8 highs, 7 Gun/Missile Hardpoints.
25m3 dronebay 25mbit (50mbit for galente) bandwidth. T2 resits.

Battlecruiser:
7.5% bonus to Shield Booster(Minmatar/Caldari)/Armor Repairer (Amarr/Galente) effectiveness per level
5% to damage of (Medium Lazors/Projectiles/Hybrids/HMLs)

Exploration Ships
10% increase to scan strength of probes per level.
Second skills :
-Amarr 5% reduction of capacitor recharge time per level
-Galente 15m3 extra Drone Bay space
-Minmatar 5% bonus to max velocity per level
-Caldari 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level

Role Bonus
99% reduction in Warfare Link module CPU need

"Support Explorer" - Exploration ship with enough tank and no DPS.
8 highs, no gun/missile hardpoints.
T2 resists, higher base amount of shield/armor/hull.
No dronebay.
Enough mid slots for Prop/Codebreaker/Analyzer. Can be issue with shield tankers.

Battlecruisers
30% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams per level.
7.5% bonus to Shield Booster(Minmatar/Caldari)/Armor Repairer (Amarr/Galente) effectiveness per level

Exploration Ships
10% increase to scan strength of probes per level.
20% to chance of archaeological find and data retrieval per level.

Role Bonus
-25% bonus to survey probe flight time
-99% reduced CPU need for Scan Probe Launchers.
Can fit Deep Space Portal Generator.


New Module

Deep Space Portal Generator - Similar in work to jump portal generator, can bridge fleet to Deep Space.
BS sized and below ships allowed. No caps/supcaps/orcas.
Fleet lands in random spot of deep space.
All DSPGs in fleet have coordinates of return point to K-Space from which jump originated.
After activating it requires 600s calibration before jump.
Ship is immobilized and DSPG creates a signature that can be scaned with any type of probes.

Yes if all DSPG fited ships in fleet are destroyed you are stuck in Deep Space.

Although I'm out of touch with the lore of New Eden, I get the impression EVE could only be a tiny fraction of a galaxy.
New Eden is only a few dozen light years across, yet even a small galaxy is a good 50,000 LY's across.

Also, a globular cluster would be a bit too big to just jump in to, considering they could have a good 100,000 stars in them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster) - that's more stars than the whole of k-space. Admittedly, the view would be stunning, if the artists could render them properly.

Im almost thinking that the exploration ship wether a cruiser /bcruiser or capital ship must be a none racial ship ...like the salvage ship or hulk etc .....

This seems to be perfect for a new line of T3 Battleships designed for deep space exploring.

I mean, a cruiser just don't cut it if you want to go deep into the unknown and not see empire in many weeks. There has to be a significant cargo-hold for all the supplies you will need (and loot you get) and possibility to repair, reconfigure and refit modules in space. No POS. Just ships.

And I do like the idea of real distances that takes time.

Player: GÇ£Are you guys thinking about expanding the universe at all?
S: GÇ£Yes and no. ThereGÇÖs always talk about adding more nullsec and more wormholes, but I donGÇÖt entirely see the benefit to it right now. We donGÇÖt need more empty space, we need to incentivize space to get people fighting over it.GÇ¥

Hmm, I love these ideas, but I get the feeling not much is going to happen with it.
Just discovered this article with CCP Soundwave, and I think he'd rather use the existing space in a different way. Whether or not CCP have changed their minds since July, I don't know, but it's not looking good.

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/07/31/ccp-soundwave-why-balancing-is-bad-and-monkeys-are-good/

As others have implied, I think the root cause of all this is that we just want to build something of our own without a thousand-person alliance telling us how to do it. That doesn't strictly need new territory, but perhaps reworking what we've got would be enough. ...

[...]
-D-space systems resource are depended on location in space,
Close to / in between empire = Low resource value..
Close to / in between True Null Sec = High Resource Value
-Capable of allowing both POSes and Outpost(s) (multiple would make it more hostile and fought over as 0.0 is now)
-No Local (aGÇÖla W-space)
[...]

Just some thoughts around this part:

In theory, empire space is colonised because its systems are reasonably stable, but that doesn't mean that every system was colonised .....

I hate the idea of re-introducing Earth in any space game. Can we really conceptualize where Earth will be in 20K years? If we could; would we want to deploy armadas against Earth defenses? Meet opposition when we wanted to explore Terran space? etc...

It's also done to death.

on the resources : its just a must, if there are to many resources near Highsec .. this will flood the market and is just bad for bussniss

... A little try-before-you-buy sort-of-thing.

Milkway should never ever be accible ... that would just kill the games lore
but its long lost technolgy could be. better then what we have ... worse then the jove

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Terran tech is far beyond the reach of even the smartest and long lived jovian. think of it this way.

EMPIRES: T1/T2
SLEEPER: T3
JOVE: T5
TERRAN: T>9000

in response to another poster in this thread:

i don't want earth to be discovered at all. what i want is new shines to play with

Intriguing ideas, for sure. Keep them coming.

One note though: asking for Dev input is useless in F&I...Dev's don't comment in this subforum (or, very, very rarely but never that I've seen to give support to an idea or to add to it directly through the forum).

I guess the Devs aren't receiving our signal. Then again maybe this scares them as this would require a major commitment of resourses and time, but it would be nice to know if there is any interest.

lol i think we scared the devs off, maybe we should print this and nail it on our ship hulls on SISI?

Terran tech is far beyond the reach of even the smartest and long lived jovian. think of it this way.

EMPIRES: T1/T2
SLEEPER: T3
JOVE: T5
TERRAN: T>9000

in response to another poster in this thread:

i don't want earth to be discovered at all. what i want is new shines to play with

Enjoy being ganked at the jump in point.

What made EVE special when it started was its cold, mysterious atmosphere, the unknown. Years later 0.0 feels no more special or distant than high sec, thanks to jump bridges, jump freighters, warp to 0 and its stagnant state. EVE was EVE when alliances had to escort convoys of freighters into deep 0.0 to move supplies or build an outpost, having to defend them from ambushes, that's the spirit of the EVE I loved, a dangerous, real space odyssey.

High sec needs less ISK generated in it, and the 4 empires separated by low sec systems
Low sec needs to feel more like far west, a place for gold diggers, caravans and bandits
0.0 needs to be more dangerous, less accessible, makes you feel you're somewhere far in space not 2-3 JBs away from empire
WHs are a step in the right direction but once you've been there 2-3 times, you've seen it all

What EVE needs in 2011 to bring back some of its original spirit is more mystery, make those stories in chronicles possible for players. A great addition would be MASSIVE uncharted space around 0.0, accessible through abandonned / hidden stargates. There would be no local, no bounties, you could make dozens of jumps into desert systems, having to take note of your route, to finaly end up discovering a jovian stations in ruins, experiments of prototype technology made by empires or pirate factions, remains of unknown civilsations, traces of early / alien space exploration, a pirate / hostile lair in the middle of nowhere +á la bad guys systems of Mass Effect, buildable + destructible player outposts, etc. Players could map this space and sell their work, making good maps or falses ones leading their buyers into a trap. That's the EVE I dream of, hope the game is something like this if its still around in 10-15 years

I get the feeling a DEV has already read this. Maybe they're being tightlipped, "Gosh, we were going to implement that next expansion, damnit."

first

They are probably letting us argue out the kinks before they say anything

This could use a mobile base of operations.

I will leave others to hash out what makes sense for capacity and capabilities, but here is an idea I tossed to someone else about how they might try to handle the portable aspect of it.

Maybe this can be a useful starting point to something that will fit into this idea.

A freighter sized ship that deploys itself. (Becomes a port-a-station)

Requires anchoring 5, etc. (It stops being a ship once deployed)

Noone pilots it. (what?)

It is effectively a big drone. Huge freighter sized thing.
The person who owns / unanchors it is automatically in a fleet with it, and guides it through intra-system warps with fleet commands. For use of jump gates, it will always attempt to jump after the controlling pilot.
Cannot jump except by jump gate.
Cannot use jump bridges.
Cannot shift from base to mobile mode with pilot's online and inside. (Offline pilot's will come back in the last ship they had selected as active, at the location near where the station is currently, exactly as if they had logged off in space.)
(They were auto-ejected into space by logging in during transit)
Moving this thing will be dangerous, and if the controlling pilot's ship gets destroyed and podded, it drifts until the next pilot claims it.

Option: Possibly limit which ships can act as controller to move it.

Even Better or easier, a WarOrca that to be boarded requires a password, and can haul maybe 3 or 4 fitted battleships inside and has some utility slots on it. and bonuses for that.

6 ) No anchorable bubbles

I do like the idea of "wilder" untamed systems, perhaps binary or trinary systems, or even right smack in the middle of a stellar nursary, with proto-stars forming around you.
Perhaps even something with no warp-to points, no planets or moons, just a big 200-300 AU sphere of anoms you have to scan down - something you can truly get lost in.

You musn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.

What if a change was implimented that allowed us to manually activate our warp drives, moving in any direction we choose in three dimensions, and able to set an exit from the warp tunnel anywhere along the line, who's length would be determined by capacitor capacity.

Personally, I think it's a little silly that we cannot do this already, though implimenting it would be difficult, I'm sure, and its uses limited. However, building on your idea, what if we had these deep-space spheres at 10k-50k AU across instead of a measaly 200-300? Entire corporations could 'hide in plain sight', as it were, simply due to the sheer magnitude of the space (which is how deep space would actually work). Such abilities and arenas would truly open up a multitude of possibilities for many aspects of the game, not just scanning.

Just brainstorming some effects this would give rise to;
-There would need to be changes to the scan skills tree to vastly increase the radius of a scan.
-Exploration ships would need to be cap heavy to warp in longer intervals, and thus be more efficient.
-These spaces could fit inside the cluster that already exists; between systems, as the space that Jump gates normally allow us to bypass.
-PVP in these areas would be interesting, as having speedy scanners and tacklers with a good, long warp distance would be crucial. Cap recharge would be important, as it would dictate how quickly you can make a significant jump again.
-Logistics would require good scanning scouts (to avoid pirates)

And that only scratches the surface. Such a big playground could be home to lots of interesting new gameplay elements.

I'm going to be blunt.

No.

The deepspace idea by itself, I can see working. Just fine. What I don't like the sound of is the warp drive reworking. It's absurd. Manual control midwarp? Target locking midwarp?You may as well just ask CCP to bring back the 8 mwdscorpian.

If it comes down to it , I wouldn't disagree with the implemtation of the original idea. Anything other than that is a total no.

Terran tech is far beyond the reach of even the smartest and long lived jovian. think of it this way.

EMPIRES: T1/T2
SLEEPER: T3
JOVE: T5
TERRAN: T>9000

in response to another poster in this thread:

i don't want earth to be discovered at all. what i want is new shines to play with

The value with this is that it never is a piloted ship, so it cannot log off.

When it is anchored, it's functions as a small outpost would go active, and pilots could dock in it.
Repair, Corporate hangar, jump clones, (always remember to place a new one when you leap in)
Exotic dancers maybe

The catch, if it's captured while mobile, is that whatever was stored in it would be controlled by the new owner, who would just need to anchor it to take what they wanted from inside.

Exploration Gate:
This would resemble an giant acceleration gate, for much the same reason. It causes ship acceleration on top of normal hyperspace. The effect would be a sped up version of the regular warp tunnel.

Objective: When setting this prior to use, (it would require a selection), your ship would be hyper-launched to the distance and angle specified. (We are talking light-years in distance)
1 lightyear = 63,239.6717 Astronomical Units (That's a big sandbox!)

The exploration gate can have ranges that it can reach, and specific ranges it will not send ships to, (already known systems).
This allows CCP to define the size and shape of the area it can send people to.

Distances involved might make it practical to initial launch in an expendable ship, and self destruct once you finished exploring the area, as the distance by normal hyperspace would take possibly days, if not even longer.
Keep your medical clone up to date!

Found the right area? Let your buddies know the angle and distance, so they can follow you. Pick the ships you want to use to work the areas. Something that can support jump clones would let you travel back and forth more practically.

Cost to operate: Whatever makes sense, it could be linked to mass times distance, making the concept of exploring in light craft more practical, and heavier craft something done only when people are ready to invest in someplace they really believe in.