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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.02.15 06:19:00 -
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The retribution can't tackle period.
If the slots could just be changed from 5/1/5 to 4/2/5 than it could still have the tankability needed for missions so carebears woudn't whine, but it would actually be able to tackle and be able to do solo PvP or at least tackle in gangs.
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Kryptic1
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Posted - 2006.02.15 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan III The retribution can't tackle period.
If the slots could just be changed from 5/1/5 to 4/2/5 than it could still have the tankability needed for missions so carebears woudn't whine, but it would actually be able to tackle and be able to do solo PvP or at least tackle in gangs.
Have you noticed how every race's AFs (except caldari) include one that has few midslots but does more damage and has more tank, and one that has 3 midslots, but doesn't do as much damage or tank as much? Do you know that Amarr has another(!) AF called the Vengeance, which happens to have 3 midslots? Have you ever thought that maybe if you wanted to have a tackling AF, you could use the vengeance?
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.02.15 06:26:00 -
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.15 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan III The retribution can't tackle period.
It strikes me that if you want to tackle, you should use a ship that can tackle. Instead of posting that you want your current ship changed to do what you want it to, why not find one that already does what you want it to?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.02.15 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kryptic1
Originally by: Spartan III The retribution can't tackle period.
If the slots could just be changed from 5/1/5 to 4/2/5 than it could still have the tankability needed for missions so carebears woudn't whine, but it would actually be able to tackle and be able to do solo PvP or at least tackle in gangs.
Have you noticed how every race's AFs (except caldari) include one that has few midslots but does more damage and has more tank, and one that has 3 midslots, but doesn't do as much damage or tank as much? Do you know that Amarr has another(!) AF called the Vengeance, which happens to have 3 midslots? Have you ever thought that maybe if you wanted to have a tackling AF, you could use the vengeance?
Have you noticed that the Retribution is the only AF with 1 midslot? To make things worse it gets a useless highslot instead of getting a launcher slot like the Wolf, Enyo or Harpy.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.02.15 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Spartan III The retribution can't tackle period.
It strikes me that if you want to tackle, you should use a ship that can tackle. Instead of posting that you want your current ship changed to do what you want it to, why not find one that already does what you want it to?
All other races get 2 AF's that can tackle, your point is nullified. _ __
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.02.15 06:44:00 -
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I liked the retri, but its 1 utility high should be converted to a mid if anything is changed.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.02.15 07:52:00 -
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To people suggesting the Vengeance... lol
It is hands down the worst Af in the game, It does NOTHING better than anything else. I use it occasionaly as for solo pirating the Retri just isn't practicle. But tbh the only kills you will get are on badly setup ships or miners
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Waut
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Posted - 2006.02.15 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii To people suggesting the Vengeance... lol
It is hands down the worst Af in the game, It does NOTHING better than anything else. I use it occasionaly as for solo pirating the Retri just isn't practicle. But tbh the only kills you will get are on badly setup ships or miners
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Cetagee
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Posted - 2006.02.15 08:57:00 -
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It does have 1 med, so why the hell should it not be able to tackle...?? You can fit a scrambler, can't you??
It does not make sense, but you can...
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.15 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cetagee It does have 1 med, so why the hell should it not be able to tackle...?? You can fit a scrambler, can't you??
It does not make sense, but you can...
Yeah and die to inty...
Anyway, even if it gets 4/2/5 it needs 30more cpu... Still it would be sweet to have scrambler on, too. But then again i see caldari cry already :)
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Cetagee
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Posted - 2006.02.15 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Cetagee on 15/02/2006 09:35:48
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Cetagee It does have 1 med, so why the hell should it not be able to tackle...?? You can fit a scrambler, can't you??
It does not make sense, but you can...
Yeah and die to inty...
Anyway, even if it gets 4/2/5 it needs 30more cpu... Still it would be sweet to have scrambler on, too. But then again i see caldari cry already :)
Yeah, and it would be nice to have 1 or 2 launcher slots to complement the dmg-type eventually....and wait, some drohnes would also be nice...*narf*
What else do you dream of? To have the best frig-sized-tank with very decent numbers and on top of it tackling abilitys?? Would that be balanced?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.15 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Spartan III The retribution can't tackle period.
It strikes me that if you want to tackle, you should use a ship that can tackle. Instead of posting that you want your current ship changed to do what you want it to, why not find one that already does what you want it to?
All other races get 2 AF's that can tackle, your point is nullified.
All things aren't intimately equal. They may have two AFs that CAN tackle but they have one specialised in it and one specialised in damage. The Retribution is a mean damage-dealer, the top in its class. You may lose the ability to run mroe than 1 mid slot but you gain damage.
You do have a mid slot. Use it. If you're misguidedly using it for an AB or an MWD, might I ask why? It doesn't make a huge difference on an AF to fit an ab or mwd because they are very slow to begin with. The only thing you're going to be tackling is battleships. If you want to tackle, get an interceptor.
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.02.15 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Spartan III The retribution can't tackle period.
It strikes me that if you want to tackle, you should use a ship that can tackle. Instead of posting that you want your current ship changed to do what you want it to, why not find one that already does what you want it to?
All other races get 2 AF's that can tackle, your point is nullified.
All 4 races get ships designed for tackling : the Interceptors.
From a DEV point of view, the Assault Ships were never designed to tackle, but the players (as usual wanting the butter, the cash for the butter and the smile of the milkmaid) decided to tackle with Assault Ships ...
The Retribution, clearly not designed for a tackling role, sucks at it badly, and that seems perfectly fine to me.
It's not because the players can fit a ship for a specific role that that ship is good at that role.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.15 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kery Nysell All 4 races get ships designed for tackling : the Interceptors.
From a DEV point of view, the Assault Ships were never designed to tackle, but the players (as usual wanting the butter, the cash for the butter and the smile of the milkmaid) decided to tackle with Assault Ships ...
The Retribution, clearly not designed for a tackling role, sucks at it badly, and that seems perfectly fine to me.
It's not because the players can fit a ship for a specific role that that ship is good at that role.
Why is an assault ship preferable as a tackelr to an interceptor? Because it can tank a few drones or something?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
You do have a mid slot. Use it. If you're misguidedly using it for an AB or an MWD, might I ask why? It doesn't make a huge difference on an AF to fit an ab or mwd because they are very slow to begin with. The only thing you're going to be tackling is battleships. If you want to tackle, get an interceptor.
Stop calling it tackling ffs.
You need a web + scrambler to kill anything in EVE. If you web them they warp out (and laugh). If you scramble them they'll fly out of scramble range, warp out (and laugh).
It's damage isn't anything special, perhaps you should run the numbers again. 20dps here and there means **** if you can't hold your target.
The Wolf can web + scramble The Harpy can web + scramble The Enyo can web + scramble The Retribution can web + get laughed at
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius Stop calling it tackling ffs. You need a web + scrambler to kill anything in EVE.
What, are you flying that thing solo or don't you have corpmates to help you?
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hylleX
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:36:00 -
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Signed
lol at the nubs tellin ppl to use vengeance, try it yourself ffs its khanid need i say more
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Why is an assault ship preferable as a tackelr to an interceptor? Because it can tank a few drones or something?
I don't know. Personnaly, I'd use a cheap T1 frig like the Condor or the Griffin, fitted with T1 mods, for any tackling duties.
That supposes a partner, but we're playing a Massively Multiplayer game, should not be a problem ...
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius <snip> Stop calling it tackling ffs. <snip>
LOL. You started that.
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hylleX
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kery Nysell
Originally by: Nyphur Why is an assault ship preferable as a tackelr to an interceptor? Because it can tank a few drones or something?
I don't know. Personnaly, I'd use a cheap T1 frig like the Condor or the Griffin, fitted with T1 mods, for any tackling duties.
That supposes a partner, but we're playing a Massively Multiplayer game, should not be a problem ...
It aint about tackling, its about being able to PVP or not, and guess what to do so u need to be able to hold down ur target. Not everyone is a frickin missiongrinder
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:51:00 -
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im all for boosting ships specially amarr, but imho its not what the bution is about, cram as much dmg as u can on it and u wont need tackle gear.
Its such a brutal ship far superior than all other t2 frigs in the dmg department in fairness.
It will destroy harpy and enyo without problems, well ive never had probs
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 15/02/2006 10:52:45
Originally by: hylleX It aint about tackling, its about being able to PVP or not, and guess what to do so u need to be able to hold down ur target. Not everyone is a frickin missiongrinder
Are you trying to solo pvp with a retribution?
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur You do have a mid slot. Use it. If you're misguidedly using it for an AB or an MWD, might I ask why? It doesn't make a huge difference on an AF to fit an ab or mwd because they are very slow to begin with.
Lies. Speed = life.
Anyway, people need to understand the difference between "can't PvP" (patently untrue) and "can't SOLO PvP" (true but so what?)
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hylleX
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Posted - 2006.02.15 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: hylleX on 15/02/2006 10:54:21
Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 15/02/2006 10:52:45
Originally by: hylleX It aint about tackling, its about being able to PVP or not, and guess what to do so u need to be able to hold down ur target. Not everyone is a frickin missiongrinder
Are you trying to solo pvp with a retribution?
Nope why would i atm? I would like to be able to do it though. Like ALL the other races can. And dont mention the vengeance plz
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.02.15 11:01:00 -
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as everyone else say, stop trying to solo pvp in the retri
get an interceptor for that insted
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.02.15 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: hylleX Not everyone is a frickin missiongrinder
And you'll find that quite a bit of the eVe population aren't PVP freaks.
If a ship doesn't suit your style of play, your purpose ingame or the role you want to play in a fleet, find a ship that fill the niche you want, but don't ask for a modification of a ship that seems perfectly fine in it's role. Assault Ship = high damage dealer with some tanking ... seems to me that the Retribution is doing that just fine.
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Grant Smith
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Posted - 2006.02.15 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Grant Smith on 15/02/2006 11:14:28 Edited by: Grant Smith on 15/02/2006 11:13:37
Originally by: Meridius Stop calling it tackling ffs.
You need a web + scrambler to kill anything in EVE. If you web them they warp out (and laugh). If you scramble them they'll fly out of scramble range, warp out (and laugh).
It's damage isn't anything special, perhaps you should run the numbers again. 20dps here and there means **** if you can't hold your target.
The Wolf can web + scramble The Harpy can web + scramble The Enyo can web + scramble The Retribution can web + get laughed at
Get it?
Stop whining and get a vengeance, problem solved... or if you dont like it train another frig to l5
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.15 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Grant Smith Edited by: Grant Smith on 15/02/2006 11:14:28 Edited by: Grant Smith on 15/02/2006 11:13:37
Originally by: Meridius Stop calling it tackling ffs.
You need a web + scrambler to kill anything in EVE. If you web them they warp out (and laugh). If you scramble them they'll fly out of scramble range, warp out (and laugh).
It's damage isn't anything special, perhaps you should run the numbers again. 20dps here and there means **** if you can't hold your target.
The Wolf can web + scramble The Harpy can web + scramble The Enyo can web + scramble The Retribution can web + get laughed at
Get it?
Stop whining and get a vengeance, problem solved... or if you dont like it train another frig to l5
And die to any inty out there? Ok maybe ares & raptor cannot break your tank, but anything else will kill vengeance.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.15 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: hylleX Nope why would i atm? I would like to be able to do it though. Like ALL the other races can. And dont mention the vengeance plz
Nono, it's a valid complaint. Other races have their high damage-dealer AFs able to web and scramble a target but the Amarr don't. It's certainly a valid complaint. However, eve really is a multiplayer game and the retribution is so popular among frigate fleets because it's a very big damage dealer. It can't both web and scramble but it can deal enough damage that it has a lot more use if the target is already immobilised. I know it's not right to tell you that your race has to fight in a gang and other races don't, though.
If you're really intent on solo-pvping with a retribution, fit a warp disruptor/scrambler and attack slow targets. You'll take them out a lot faster than the other race's high damage AFs. That's your niche - slow targets. Things that can't outrun you, you'll take out faster than any other AF can. If you need to web it to keep up with it, you'd better be dealing enough damage to destroy it before it gets out of scrambler and weapon range or you're screwed, though. Difficult to use and not as general-purpose as the other AFs but definitely has worth both solo and in a gang.
I'm not trying to justify the one mid slot, I'm just telling you what I think is the best way to use what you've got rather than complaining that I want it changed. You might not think it's fair to only be able to take out slow targets solo but it does do it better than the other races. Things aren't always exactly equal between races and ships of teh same class but I am confident that they are, on the whole, fair.
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